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[11:37:08] dpwiz: Как правильно писать в доктестах последовательность строк, чтобы они были как один тест?
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[11:39:24] dpwiz: http://dumpz.org/106663/
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[11:40:57] Typhon: доктесты — фууу %)
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[11:42:52] biert: ребята а пайтон может работать с com портом ?
[11:43:23] dpwiz: biert, import antigr^W serial
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[11:44:24] Typhon: biert: pyserial пакет, емнип
[11:44:25] biert: а то почитал хабр и там сплошные басни о джава, отлично отлично
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[11:50:48] aries.ua: Корешь, работали вместе, на питоне писал дрова для кассового аппарата под линухой :) Тоже по ком порту. Там вообще понты работы с ним :)
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[11:52:56] dpwiz: /me писал "дрова" для кардридера с NFC и пинпадом - на один вечер дел
[11:52:56] biert: касовый апарат с линуксом ?
[11:53:02] biert: где же ж вы нашли такое
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[11:53:48] biert: в джаве подозреваю так же
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[13:04:52] aries.ua: biert сорри. только сел за комп и увидел ваш вопрос. Вообще там хитрая система. Была взята линуха, на ней под вайном постевлена 1С. К нем подрублен кассовый аппарат через самописные драйвера для кассового. Дрова на питоне. Такие компы ставятся в киоски по продаже табачной продукции. Весь товар отпускался через сканер штрихкода. В итоге - хрен кто мог залезть и что-то подправить в линухе. Ну и синхронизация была в фоне с центральной базой :)
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[13:05:50] aries.ua: Хотя надо было написать чистого клиента и выкинуть 1С вообще. :)
[13:05:56] aries.ua: Но времени было в обрез.
[13:06:14] biert: нифига себе система, наверное большая сеть если такие извращения
[13:06:29] aries.ua: Самая крупная розничная сеть города Николаев
[13:06:32] aries.ua: Украина :)
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[13:07:12] aries.ua: я правда там уже год как не работаю и с бухгалтерий подвязал :)
[13:07:25] aries.ua: Щас больше на вебе. Душа к нему лежит :)
[13:08:07] biert: а вообще на чем писал ?
[13:08:22] aries.ua: сейчас или там?
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[16:53:20] gigimon: в lxml xpath работает не совсем по правилам
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[16:53:33] gigimon: descendant:: и // не равны
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[17:40:04] aries.ua: gigimon ты проверь, правильно ли тебе строится дерево. Я кстати нарвался пару дней назад на то, что HTML и дерево было разным :) И происходила ж...а
[17:40:14] aries.ua: пришлось на участок кода применять регулярку
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[17:40:53] gigimon: ну просто в доке по xpath пишут, что // это кратка язапись descendant
[17:40:59] gigimon: но возвращает разное количество полей)
[17:41:44] gigimon: In [32]: len(t.xpath("descendant::td[normalize-space(text())='EBS-backed']/.."))
Out[32]: 12

In [33]: len(t.xpath("//td[normalize-space(text())='EBS-backed']/.."))
Out[33]: 14

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[17:42:17] gigimon: // идет от начала вообще дерева, descendant:: от корня узла, из которого вызываю
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[17:43:50] aries.ua: надо запомнить. Хотя я использовал только //
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[18:03:52] _lorien: gigimon, почему не поправил, вроде логично всё, что // от корня, а descendant:: от текущего элемента
[18:04:02] _lorien: .// вот так будет то же самое от текущего
[18:04:10] _lorien: * не по правилами
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[18:08:21] gigimon: descendant:: — можно заменить на «//»
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[18:09:07] Сволота: /me уже и не помнит что за ось такая descendant
[18:09:59] gigimon: но наверно все же википедия наебывает, т.к. в стандарте я не нашел что // и descendant одно и тоэже
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[18:12:25] Сволота: помню только короткие формы, ими же и пользуюсь
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[18:14:57] xa4a: gigimon: исправь википедию
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[18:15:04] gigimon: уже)
[18:15:15] bugi: Всем привет
[18:15:19] gigimon: ку
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[18:17:49] _lorien: http://www.w3schools.com/xpath/xpath_syntax.asp я по xpath всегда тут смотрю
[18:18:03] _lorien: я выше кстати написал неправильно // - это не от корян, это просто где угдоно, от корня это /
[18:18:55] gigimon: _lorien: хорошая страничка, спс
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[18:23:24] bugi: Ребят, такой вот тупой вопрос, что можно использовать в питоне как треды (по принципу работы, не должно локать скрипт) но не threading
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[18:24:30] cutwater: multithreading
[18:24:34] cutwater: *multiprocessing
[18:24:45] bugi: спасибо, сейчас буду гуглить
[18:25:02] cutwater: Тебе надо выполнять код сразу на нескольких ядрах?
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[18:26:07] bugi: нет, мне нужно чтобы скрипт который висит как демон читал сокет, отрабатывал его, но во время обработки данных скрипт локается, тоисть не читает сокет дальше пока не отработает код
[18:26:15] bugi: и нужно короче чтобы такого небыло :)
[18:27:04] cutwater: лол
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[18:28:02] cutwater: ну во-первых тебе хватит и threading
[18:28:34] bugi: да, я понимаю, просто начальнике сказал что это говно, потому я хочу посмотреть сначала альтернативы и сам все узнать :)
[18:28:35] cutwater: во-вторых используй асинхронные вызовы
[18:28:43] cutwater: начальнике идиот?
[18:28:50] bugi: асинхронные вызовы на 1 скрипт? это как?
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[18:29:22] cutwater: еще раз, проблема у тебя не в GIL, значит процессинг тебе по большому счету не нужен
[18:30:44] cutwater: xa4a: или я заблуждаюсь?
[18:30:48] bugi: просто нагрузка будет не маленькая, нужно почитать как треды ещё систему вгружают. Ну это я так, про себя :)
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[18:30:58] _lorien: bugi, почитай http://krondo.com/blog/?p=1247
[18:30:59] _lorien: нах тебе треды
[18:31:05] _lorien: асинхронный сокет нужен тебе
[18:31:10] _lorien: треды и большая нагрузка это хуйня
[18:31:19] bugi: я юзаю ZeroMQ
[18:31:22] _lorien: треды это вообще хуйня :)
[18:31:25] bugi: для работы с сокетами
[18:32:03] cutwater: /me вообще потерял нить логики. смешались в кучу кони люди
[18:32:03] bugi: _lorien: спасибо, сейчас почитаю
[18:32:04] xa4a: bugi: есть один главный тред и пул обработчиков
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[18:32:18] xa4a: когда приходит новый запрос, главный тред его читает и отдаёт свободному обработчику
[18:32:23] xa4a: все довольны
[18:32:36] xa4a: причём отдаёт свободному обработчику ~= кладёт в Queue.Queue()
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[18:32:37] cutwater: Ну и тут уже можно таки сделать мультипроцессинг
[18:32:42] bugi: xa4a: это ты о threading? это я знаю
[18:32:44] xa4a: откуда обработчики по мере освобождения читают
[18:33:02] xa4a: bugi: таким образом у тебя главный тред не блокируется
[18:33:03] cutwater: Собственно как и работают все эти ваши twisted и boost::asio по большому счету
[18:33:25] _lorien: а можно без пула, просто пул сокетов, когда какой-то сокет что-то прочитал, запоминаем это, когда сокет закончил читать, обрабатываем данные - асинхронный подход
[18:33:35] bugi: xa4a: я знаю что с тредами все ок в даном случае, я говорю что локается сам скрипт а не тред, сейчас дам пример
[18:33:45] xa4a: да, давай уже)
[18:33:57] cutwater: локается сам скрипт WTF?
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[18:34:44] xa4a: _lorien: это не стоит называть пулом сокетов
[18:34:58] _lorien: а как называть?
[18:35:06] xa4a: и это всё-равно будет блокироваться, пока данные обрабатываются
[18:35:36] _lorien: ну да, блокировка для обработки данных, но по сравненю с временем IO она ничтожна
[18:35:42] _lorien: если там не через жопу она сделана
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[18:36:14] xa4a: _lorien: читай задачу выше. учаснег не хочет, чтобы сервер блокировался для новых конектов, видимо, пока данные обрабатываются
[18:36:25] _lorien: хотя стоп
[18:36:27] xa4a: "bugi
нет, мне нужно чтобы скрипт который висит как демон читал сокет, отрабатывал его, но во время обработки данных скрипт локается, тоисть не читает сокет дальше пока не отработает код
и нужно короче чтобы такого небыло "
[18:36:30] _lorien: сокеты то не блокируются
[18:36:34] _lorien: они продолжают данные читать
[18:36:43] bugi: да, но читаются то они как?
[18:36:48] bugi: в while True:
[18:36:53] cutwater: охщи
[18:36:55] xa4a: bugi: не отвлекайся. ищи пример)
[18:37:08] _lorien: почему while True, там сокеты в неблокируемом режиме должны быть
[18:37:21] _lorien: и по ним select делается
[18:37:27] cutwater: select, epoll etc.
[18:37:30] cutwater: gevent etc.
[18:37:35] bugi: import zmq
import md5

context = zmq.Context()
server = context.socket(zmq.PULL)
server.bind('tcp://192.168.100.65:5000')

while True:
message = server.recv()
m = md5.new()
# works 200 ms
for i in range(1, 150000):
m.update(str(i))
m.digest()
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[18:37:44] cutwater: bugi: ты про pastebin не слышал?
[18:37:49] bugi: сорри посоны
[18:37:50] bugi: забыл :)
[18:37:52] bugi: сек
[18:37:54] cutwater: bugi: ну это хуевый код да
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[18:38:01] cutwater: на правах троллинга, может ты рано с php ушел
[18:38:13] bugi: cutwater: толсто
[18:38:24] cutwater: bugi: теперь опиши таки задачу
[18:38:26] _lorien: а чо делает zmq?
[18:38:33] bugi: работает с сокетами
[18:38:34] cutwater: получает сообщения вестимо
[18:38:57] bugi: http://pastebin.com/cuAB8qPr
[18:39:05] cutwater: for i in range(1, 150000):

о б-ги штоэта
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[18:39:10] bugi: та просто пример
[18:39:11] bugi: еба
[18:39:14] bugi: чего ты пристал?
[18:39:44] xa4a: bugi: как я выше написал
[18:39:53] xa4a: один тред принимает сокеты и складывает в очередь
[18:39:56] cutwater: bugi: +1 к xa4a про асинхронный подход тебе уже сказали
[18:40:12] xa4a: в пуле каждый поток выбирает по сокету и делает ему # works 200 ms
[18:40:20] xa4a: и складывает результат в другую очередь
[18:40:39] xa4a: ещё один поток из второй очереди делает m.update() или что там
[18:40:39] gigimon: а зачем тут zeromq?
[18:40:42] bugi: xa4a: Да, я эту штуку уже реализовал, все работает кул, данные с сокетов попадают в пул, пул кидает на треды, все крутяк. Я спросил, есть ли ещё какой-то способ такое сделать не используя threading?
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[18:40:57] bugi: gigimon: а потому-что он дает пару удобных фич которые нам нужны
[18:41:20] xa4a: bugi: да, но будет много секса
[18:41:29] xa4a: ну хм
[18:41:43] xa4a: заюзай свой же zmq. запусти пул обработчиков во внешних процессах
[18:41:52] xa4a: и IPC через zmq вместо очереди обычной
[18:41:57] xa4a: dc` jcnfkmyjt - nj ;t cfvjt
[18:41:59] xa4a: !decode
[18:42:31] bugi: xa4a: нужно просто оптимально все написать, нагрузка будет примерно 1к-1,5к запросов в секунду :)
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[18:43:01] xa4a: ну… как бы...
[18:43:03] xa4a: бенчмаркай
[18:43:16] gigimon: все зависит от запросов
[18:43:26] gigimon: мож там пинг и ответить понг, тогда все будет работать одинаково
[18:43:55] bugi: gigimon: не, там нужно будет много инфы анализировать, минимум 3-5 запросов за дынными
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[18:44:11] xa4a: на правах троллинга, может тебе просто нужен erlang?
[18:44:24] gigimon: :D
[18:45:05] bugi: не, спасибо
[18:45:16] bugi: мы будем писать паралельно 2 системы, 1 на питоне и одну на С
[18:45:36] bugi: просто пока ещё не знаем будет ли оно так круто на С как кажется
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[19:12:14] bugi: xa4a: слушай, получается нужно юзать всего 1 тред чтобы небыло GIL?
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[19:12:31] xa4a: я не понимаю о чём ты
[19:12:36] xa4a: GIL будет всё-равно
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[19:13:39] bugi: ну я в плане что вне зависимости от того что там происходите в треде, в том же самом скрипте я спокойно смогу читать из сокета и складывать в пул все?
[19:14:12] xa4a: в каком треде, в каком скрипте?
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[19:14:33] xa4a: если у тебя в треде что-то происходит, то одновременно с чем-то он не сможет читать из сокета, или складывать в очередь
[19:15:24] bugi: # тут работает тред
while True:
# читаем из сокета
# добавляем в пул
[19:15:34] bugi: я имею ввиду такую схему
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[19:15:52] xa4a: такая схема будет быстро читать из сокета и класть в очередь
[19:16:00] xa4a: без лишних блокировок
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[19:16:13] bugi: ок, спс
[19:16:15] xa4a: только не "добавляем в пул", а кладём в очередь
[19:16:22] bugi: да, конечно, простите
[19:16:29] gigimon: бр
[19:16:42] xa4a: но если у тебя будет только один такой треда, то данные никто обрабатывать не будет
[19:17:06] bugi: xa4a: ну будет обрабатывать только 1 тред
[19:17:14] bugi: брать из очереди и обратабывать
[19:17:23] bugi: просто тут важно чтобы из сокета читалось норм
[19:17:45] xa4a: просто важно, чтобы читал из сокета и обрабатывал не один и тот же тред
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[19:17:58] xa4a: у тебя разные треды будут по-любому, если хочешь асинхронность обработки данных и приёма соединений. только если ты не хочешь threading, то разные треды прийдётся держать в разных процессах, а значит для их синхронизации вместо Queue() тебе надо будет что-то другое, например zmq
[19:18:55] bugi: xa4a: я просто вот статейку читаю: http://blog.snaplogic.com/?p=94
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[19:19:59] xa4a: алгоритм следующий:
[19:20:01] bugi: The Python interpreter is not fully thread-safe. In order to support multi-threaded Python programs, there’s a global lock, called the global interpreter lock or GIL, that must be held by the current thread before it can safely access Python objects. Without the lock, even the simplest operations could cause problems in a multi-threaded program: for example, when two threads simultaneously increment the reference count of the same object, the reference count could end up being incremented only once instead of twice.
[19:20:07] bugi: и вот это меня не очень радует
[19:20:12] xa4a: сделать простое решение на питон-threading
[19:20:14] bugi: это правда из другой статьи
[19:20:18] xa4a: отбенчмаркать его
[19:20:24] xa4a: если будет не достаточно, то:
[19:20:56] xa4a: а) переписать обработку на С, так, чтобы на вермя обработки GIL отдавался
[19:21:04] xa4a: б) использовать multiprocessing
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[19:21:35] xa4a: в) написать свой multiprocessing с блекджеком и zmq
[19:22:23] xa4a: где zmq - любой IPC: сокеты, tcp, файлы, rpc
[19:22:49] bugi: xa4a: ну понятно, спасибо, сейчас буду разбираться
[19:22:59] xa4a: (это если очень хотеть реализацию "на питоне")
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[19:23:08] bugi: просто почитай ту вырезку что я раньше кинул, это с оффсайта питона
[19:23:13] xa4a: я читал
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