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[11:27:30] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
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[11:52:08] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
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[13:50:43] nott: xa4a обоснуй
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[13:51:50] xa4a: если b вдруг будет False, то всё сломается
[13:52:50] xa4a: в смысле будет работать не так, как обычно хочется
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[13:54:41] Typhon: есть же t if cond else f
[13:55:23] xa4a: ну да. он типа исправляет эту проблему
[13:55:46] xa4a: но мне раньше a and b or нравилось т.к. оно вроде как читается проще
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[14:12:01] cutwater: Господа, а что можно поспрашивать на собеседовании по джанго?
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[14:22:29] nmk: лучше про питон поспрашивай
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[14:28:12] cutwater: nmk: надо про джангу
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[14:32:48] Typhon: лучше про питон поспрашивай
[14:32:49] Typhon: %)
[14:33:08] Typhon: а так — MVC, MTV, context processor'ы, мидлвари, орм
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[14:33:16] Typhon: + и - джанги, альтернативы
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[14:55:28] cutwater: Typhon: он сказал что запрос проходит такой путь
получили запрос - обработали миддлвари - получили ответ - обработали миддлвари - ответ ушел
[14:55:39] cutwater: потом начал рассказывать что миддлвари это ивенты
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[14:56:09] cutwater: ну как-то так
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[15:01:34] nmk: cutwater: в pyramid это евенты
[15:01:44] cutwater: он не знает пирамид
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[15:01:56] cutwater: нет он именно о ивентах орма
[15:02:11] nmk: а что там за ивенты?
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[15:02:14] cutwater: сигналы
[15:02:16] cutwater: сори
[15:02:19] nmk: а.
[15:02:51] nmk: путь то вполне правильный для нормального случая, когда миддлеварь дает выполнение вьюхе. нет?
[15:03:12] cutwater: эм... ну он то тогда о миддлварях получается вообще не слышал
[15:03:17] xa4a: про урлконфиги
[15:03:23] cutwater: угу
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[15:03:28] xa4a: чем отличается (…) от url(...)
[15:03:32] cutwater: ну и т.п.
[15:03:41] cutwater: то есть его ответ меня не удовлетворил
[15:04:13] xa4a: не слышал, бывает..
[15:04:31] nmk: да помоему у джанги очень хорошая документация, много примеров кода и научится там довольно быстро всему можно. единственное, что я завис на 1.2 джанге и не знаю что там дальше. это я всё к тому, что про питон лучше спрашивать.
[15:04:44] cutwater: =) ну это понятно
[15:04:49] cutwater: про питон еще до меня спросили
[15:05:02] xa4a: я бы спросил про джаваскрипт-формы
[15:05:10] cutwater: а я как единственный из двух на фирме, кто с джангой вообще сталкивался
[15:05:16] cutwater: :-)
[15:05:21] xa4a: (т.к. только смутно представляю, как их организовывать)
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[15:31:51] mishanq: привет всем
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[15:40:54] mishanq: народ, мне нужно добавить поле по типу cron записи. Где бы такой можно подсмотреть чтоб самому не изобретать
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[15:42:27] mishanq: *такое
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[16:36:35] xa4a: какое поле, куда добавить?
[16:37:01] xa4a: !g засеять поле кроном
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[16:53:51] Sof_com: ООО... мне бот капчу не подсунул
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[16:55:46] mishanq: xa4a: отходил.
Необходимо хранить таблице в базе cron записи
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[16:56:20] xa4a: Sof_com: ещё раз: капчу подсовывает не бот, а сервер
[16:56:46] xa4a: mishanq: в джанге что ли?
[16:57:04] xa4a: может просто надо celery? ^_^
[16:57:13] mishanq: саоме умное до чего сам допер - создать самому таблицу с 5-ю CharField полями и там где надо - ссылаться на нее
[16:57:21] mishanq: да, в джанге
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[16:57:32] Sof_com: xa4a: а ну да
[16:57:52] mishanq: смотрел celery, нашел кучу полезных вещей, но вот нужного мне -нет
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[16:57:56] mishanq: или плохо искал
[16:58:07] Sof_com: xa4a: странно, с винды через квип выхожу и без капчи, а с линукса - с капчей
[16:58:42] mishanq: grep -irE 'cron|week|hour' /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/djcelery
и ничего
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[16:59:57] mishanq: по date|time искал - много чего выдало, но толкового - ничего
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[17:02:07] xa4a: может http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1511854/parse-a-cron-entry-in-python ,
[17:02:13] xa4a: b [hfybnm d dblt cnhjr
[17:02:17] xa4a: и хранить в виде строк
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[17:07:15] mishanq: ImportError: No module named crontab
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-crontab/ - этот кронтаб?
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[17:15:30] xa4a: да
[17:16:34] mishanq: спс. сейчас попробую
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[17:19:33] aries.ua: Народ, только не смейтесь - как записать cookie в джанге? (доку читал, set_cookie() пробовал). Кука не записывается :(
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[17:20:50] aries.ua: Во вьюшке делаю
response = HttpResponse('Your files')
response.set_cookie('testing', 'test')
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[17:21:11] aries.ua: Но кука в браузере не появляется :( Браузер куки поддрерживает
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[17:32:10] xa4a: посмотри каким-то файрбагом, что сервер отдаёт заголовок
[17:32:17] xa4a: потом проверь, что у тебя в куке правильный path
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[17:46:31] downshft: всем привет. нужен совет. есть проект на джанге (пока нет, на бумаге). в нем есть несколько однотипных моделей типа Модель: название, родитель (Модель). тоесть деревца. думаю что-то годное есть для организации такого как лучше, ну вы меня поняли... что посоветуете посмотреть чтобы не налепить раньше времени?
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[17:48:00] downshft: и есть еще одна хрень сомнительная Тип:название. Запись: тип, значение. мне это совсем не нра, nosql тут круто было б но базу хотят реляционную... напутствия по такому тоже принимаются :)
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[17:58:06] xa4a: ты что-то слышал про РСУБД?
[17:58:11] xa4a: про SQL
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[17:58:28] downshft: слышал а что
[17:59:22] downshft: короче намек я понял, не важно
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[17:59:35] cutwater: обожаю таких персонажей
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[17:59:47] cutwater: вместо того чтобы конструктивно поддерживать беседу, они обижаются и показательно сваливают
[18:00:17] xa4a: /me мечтательно: "А может он действительно понял и пошёл читать книжку про SQL"
[18:00:23] cutwater: :-)
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[18:00:42] aries.ua: Я вернулся :)
[18:00:56] aries.ua: Продолжу по поводу кук.
[18:01:36] aries.ua: В заголовках вижу тольку sessionid и csrftoken
[18:01:47] aries.ua: а моя кука не добавляеся
[18:01:48] cutwater: глупый вопрос, а ты респонс этот вернул? =)
[18:02:47] aries.ua: хм... в доке не вижу что бы что-то возвращалось :(
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[18:02:54] cutwater: FACEPALM
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[18:03:19] cutwater: xa4a: и SvartalF из python@ еще обижается, когда я называю людей идиотами
[18:03:48] xa4a: aries.ua: что в заголовках ответа?
[18:03:52] xa4a: (не вопроса, ответа)
[18:04:08] cutwater: aries.ua: ладно покажи код view полностью
[18:04:14] xa4a: cutwater: никогда там не был и не знаю кто это
[18:04:27] aries.ua: Вот
Content-Type:text/html; charset=utf-8Date:Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:00:05 GMTServer:WSGIServer/0.1 Python/2.6.6Vary:Cookie
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[18:04:40] xa4a: что вот?
[18:04:48] cutwater: xa4a: ну я долгое время был забанен в python@
[18:05:01] cutwater: aries.ua: покажи весь код view
[18:05:17] cutwater: aries.ua: ты что делаешь после set_cookie?
[18:05:31] cutwater: ты этот объект возвращаешь из view ? или ничего с ним не делаешь?
[18:05:33] aries.ua: def index(request):
response = HttpResponse('Your files')
response.set_cookie('testing', 'test', path='/', domain="127.0.0.1")
return render(request, 'common_index.html', locals())
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[18:05:41] aries.ua: Вот весь код
[18:06:00] cutwater: aries.ua: наводящий вопрос. как ты думаешь ты создал объект response? он дальше твоего view куда-нибудь пошел?
[18:06:28] cutwater: потому что капитан очевидность нам подсказывает что render вернет ДРУГОЙ объект HttpResponse
[18:06:43] aries.ua: ок, просвети плиз, что надо сделать? Я только такую доку нашел на просторах гугля
[18:06:52] cutwater: aries.ua: и здравый смысл нам подсказывает, что надо включать мозг
[18:07:08] cutwater: response = render(...)
response.set_cookie(...)
return response
[18:07:11] nmk: aries.ua: resposne = render(request, 'common_index.html', locals()); response.set_cookie(...)
[18:07:14] cutwater: ну хотя бы так
[18:07:42] aries.ua: вот оно как :)
[18:07:44] aries.ua: Спасибо!
[18:07:52] cutwater: aries.ua: понимаешь, как бы дока докой. надо еще соображалку / думалку задействовать.
[18:07:53] nmk: cutwater: насчет возврата. если ты не понимаешь как работает http, то возврат он совсем не очевиден. :)
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[18:08:42] cutwater: nmk: не ну если ты понимаешь как работают вьюхи, что должны получить на выходе и вообще понимаешь что код магически не работает, то должен понимать что твой локальный объект будучи созданным и никуда не прокинутым дальше твоего метода не пойдет
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[18:10:24] nmk: ну мне кажется это всё равно не повод называть человека идиотом
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[18:10:40] cutwater: я его не называл =) это был комментарий в сторону, как бы ему намекающий
[18:10:55] cutwater: если я считаю человека идиотом, обычно я это говорю прямо.
[18:11:39] nmk: а создать объект, не прокинуть его дальше и при этом кака появится -- это я могу :)
[18:11:45] nmk: *кука
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[18:12:14] cutwater: можно то конечно можно, но это в качестве извращения и нормальные люди так не делают
[18:12:22] cutwater: можно вообще такого нагородить
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[18:13:28] cutwater: nmk: если бы оно так работало, идиоты были бы разработчики.
[18:13:45] aries.ua: Спасибо заработало. Скажите как правильно записывать куки? Ну по феншую? Или так как указали ранее?
[18:13:58] cutwater: а чем не нравится как указали ранее?
[18:14:18] nmk: cutwater: ну пофигу, я к тому, что такая возможность есть. ;)
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[18:15:13] cutwater: nmk: я и не сомневался что такая возможность есть. но она противоречит здравому смыслу и тому как это работает в джанге.
[18:15:24] aries.ua: Просто хотелось вызвать метод передать ему ключ и значение. Ну и не заморачиваясь на остальное :)
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[18:15:45] xa4a: "Просто захотелось вспомнить PHP@
[18:15:49] cutwater: =)
[18:16:48] nmk: пятница. мож посремся насчет чего-нибудь? :)
[18:17:00] cutwater: давай. я уже говорил. хочу свой фреймворк =)
[18:17:09] nmk: ну эт не интересно.
[18:17:11] cutwater: Django vs Flask vs Pyramid vs etc...
[18:17:13] nmk: надо типа джанго говно
[18:17:15] cutwater: банальщина
[18:17:17] nmk: но это все знают
[18:17:19] cutwater: угу
[18:18:01] nmk: flask тоже буэээ
[18:18:14] cutwater: nmk: кстати я то знаю чем он мне буэ.. а тебе чем буэээ?
[18:18:25] nmk: конфигом например
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[18:18:34] Typhon: мне реквесты там не нравятся %)
[18:18:42] cutwater: Typhon: thread locals ?
[18:18:52] nmk: тащить этот app везде где только можно
[18:19:18] cutwater: nmk: ну фласк использует несколько отличный подход от джанги
[18:19:24] Typhon: cutwater: from flask import request
[18:19:32] Typhon: какой-то он неявный слишком
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[18:19:38] cutwater: не совсем понял
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[18:20:03] xa4a: вот торнадо - няшка
[18:20:06] cutwater: а... ну да. тредлокалы да неявно
[18:20:10] xa4a: быстрый, красивый, легкий
[18:20:19] cutwater: но по хорошему по другому унифицировать интерфейс никак
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[18:22:35] cutwater: Typhon: а еще вопрос, как считаешь передавать GET параметры в параметры view это ок или не ок?
[18:22:58] cutwater: тут больше интересует с точки зрения красоты дизайна системы
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[18:23:31] xa4a: нужен паттерн матичинг
[18:23:36] xa4a: с точки зрения красоты системы
[18:23:38] cutwater: в смысле?
[18:23:45] cutwater: xa4a: то есть что-то типа того как в пирамиде?
[18:23:52] xa4a: я не знаю, как в пирамиде
[18:24:02] xa4a: но чтобы передавалось одним объектом
[18:24:12] xa4a: а ты если хочешь - в аргументах заматчил его и разобрал на параметры
[18:24:29] cutwater: понятно
[18:24:31] xa4a: /me представил, как мог бы выглядет типизированный pattern matching
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[18:24:57] cutwater: правда тут будет глубокий inspect
[18:25:02] cutwater: и анализ сигнатуры ф-ции
[18:25:09] cutwater: ну пирамида как-то так и делает
[18:25:16] xa4a: нет, в питоне просто этого не стоит делать
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[18:27:07] cutwater: просто с одной стороны есть объект назовем его env, который хранит сессию, контекст рендерера, подключение к базе etc, объект запроса
правда обычно это все называют request и пихают в request что не верно
[18:27:41] cutwater: тредлокалы в качестве глобального состояния тоже не есть ок, хотя мокать их точно так же просто как и параметры для юниттестов
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[18:31:25] xa4a: request хранит сессию - всё верно
[18:31:30] xa4a: подключение к базе не хранит
[18:31:38] xa4a: контекст рендерера тоже
[18:31:47] xa4a: всё правильно. как в джанге
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[18:35:25] cutwater: xa4a: а вот в пирамиде по-моему таки хранит
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[18:35:49] xa4a: ну вот. ты сам ответил на вопрос о том, что говно
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[18:37:03] cutwater: или нет, надо посмотреть
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[18:38:40] Tony: кто вкурсе запись вида 'blah {0} var'.format(123) deprecated или нет?
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[18:40:27] cutwater: вроде ж нет, это наоборот формат в python3
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[18:40:51] xa4a: в 2.5 её не было ещё, вроде
[18:40:54] cutwater: не было
[18:41:02] cutwater: появилось в 2.6 или в 2.7
[18:41:13] xa4a: но я знаю один сайт, где точно написано deprecated или нет
[18:41:24] Tony: в 2.6 уже было
[18:41:47] Tony: я просто хотел одному ебнуть по башке за такую запись я думал это старье какое-то
[18:42:11] cutwater: :-)
[18:42:11] xa4a: правильно. настоящие мужыки юзают jinja2
[18:42:14] cutwater: наоборот это новье =)
[18:42:30] cutwater: Tony: а "%s %d" - это старье
[18:42:42] Tony: ну у нас один хуй 2.6.2 в проекте
[18:42:50] cutwater: :-)
[18:43:04] Tony: и врятли будет что-то новее
[18:43:21] xa4a: куда уже новее?
[18:43:36] Tony: 2.7 новее мне много чего из него не хватает
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[18:43:49] xa4a: например?
[18:43:49] Tony: точней даже 2.6.5 бы хватило
[18:43:56] Tony: например пидорасня с юникодом и диктами
[18:44:06] Tony: вот это реально сука бесит
[18:44:11] xa4a: какая?
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[18:45:01] Tony: не совсем с диктами правда
[18:45:03] Tony: в 2.6.2 ключевые аргументы не могут быть юникодными
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[18:45:12] cutwater: o_O
[18:45:12] Tony: это в 2.6.4 пофиксили
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[18:45:49] Tony: половину collections эмуллируем сами
[18:46:09] xa4a: collections угу, няшки
[18:47:19] Tony: у нас с год назад драма была
[18:47:30] Tony: какой-то одмин накатил апдейт на ебучий дебилиан встал 2.6.6 питон
[18:47:34] Tony: на дев и сборку
[18:47:48] Tony: на деве работало, но какой бля был оргазм когда это задеплоили на прод...
[18:48:04] Tony: с тех пор четко и жестко что у всех 2.6.2 должен быть везде, даже на машинах разработчиков.
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[18:49:24] Tony: как заебца что в virtualenv сделали --no-site-packages по дефолту
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[18:53:20] nmk: Tony: запись через '%' быстрее. :)
In [1]: %timeit '%s %s' % ('a', 'b')
10000000 loops, best of 3: 195 ns per loop
In [2]: %timeit '{0} {1}'.format('a', 'b')
1000000 loops, best of 3: 542 ns per loop
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[18:56:39] cutwater: In [6]: timeit "%s %s" % ('a', 'b')
10000000 loops, best of 3: 123 ns per loop
In [7]: timeit "{} {}".format('a', 'b')
1000000 loops, best of 3: 273 ns per loop
[18:56:57] nmk: а версия и железо?
[18:57:25] cutwater: python --version
Python 2.7.1+
[18:57:36] cutwater: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 760 @ 2.80GHz
[18:57:44] nmk: ну ты мажор
[18:57:49] cutwater: ??
[18:57:54] nmk: на i5 :)
[18:58:01] cutwater: ну это рабочая машинка
[18:58:23] nmk: я то на e6750
[18:58:43] Tony: http://dpaste.com/670799/ у меня так
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[18:58:50] cutwater: дома у меня
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
[18:59:05] nmk: одни мажоры.
[18:59:18] nmk: i3, i5..
[18:59:22] nmk: хотя. ноут у меня тоже мажорный :)
[18:59:27] Tony: я год назад на athlonxp 2500+ еще работал
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[19:00:05] xa4a: In [1]: %timeit "%s %s" % ('a', 'b')
1000000 loops, best of 3: 193 ns per loop
In [2]: %timeit '{0} {1}'.format('a', 'b')
1000000 loops, best of 3: 312 ns per loop
на галимом рабочем model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5650 @ 2.67GHz
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[19:00:17] nmk: ох мажорище
[19:00:21] nmk: ирландское!
[19:00:24] cutwater: :-D
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[19:01:16] Tony: http://dpaste.com/670802/ sempron 2200 на freebsd
[19:01:33] cutwater: nmk: кстати не мажор. вот был бы SandyBridge
[19:01:50] nmk: xa4a: 6 ядер, 6.4 gts 12mb кеша ему галимый рабочий :)
[19:01:59] cutwater: :-)
[19:02:48] nmk: cutwater: ну вот e5 выйдет поглядим что там будет. e7 как-то слишком дорого
[19:02:53] xa4a: угу.. гента бы быстро компилилась)
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[19:03:56] xa4a: но тут скучно( геенты нет. по работе исходники в облаке собираются..
[19:03:59] Tony: у меня ноут на atom d525 я разницы с i3 не замечаю
[19:04:17] nmk: Tony: чо чо? как это не замечаешь?
[19:04:26] Tony: nmk, вообще не замечаю.
[19:04:39] Tony: правда я минималист awesome, gvim и python
[19:04:55] Tony: даже не замечаю что памяти 2ГБ а не 4ГБ
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[19:05:28] xa4a: на 2.7.2, кстати, первый вариант быстрее работает, а второй - медленнее, чем на 2.6.5
[19:05:28] Tony: я бы этот комп хуй купил так бы и сидел на атлоне если бы не один проект с миграциями которые делались там два часа, а на этом компе 30-40 минут
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[19:05:59] nmk: что за миграции?
[19:06:07] Tony: south миграции
[19:06:13] xa4a: мутации, видимо
[19:06:14] Tony: там правда еще south старый был пиздец
[19:06:23] nmk: 2 часа? там данные что-ли мигрируют?
[19:06:48] Tony: нет там был косяк в старой версии с тем что поля кастомные очень долго обрабатывались
[19:06:59] cutwater: $ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 12325848 kB
[19:07:07] Tony: а если кастомное поле в абстрактном классе да еще и 3-5 абстрактных классов, то совсем пиздец приплыли
[19:07:14] Tony: вот только изза той хуиты и купил комп
[19:07:19] Tony: ибо реально тормозило рабочий процесс
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[19:07:38] cutwater: но я не минималист
[19:07:40] cutwater: KDE
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[19:07:48] cutwater: и чистый awesome я так и не осилил до конца
[19:07:49] nmk: cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemTotal
MemTotal: 55774908 kB
[19:07:53] nmk: но эт не моя тачка. ;)
[19:08:13] cutwater: =) а это моя домашняя
[19:08:22] nmk: ну на ноуте у меня 8.
[19:08:27] nmk: а на рабочей 3
[19:08:28] nmk: :(
[19:08:31] cutwater: на работе 4 :(
[19:08:38] cutwater: дома 12
[19:08:40] nmk: ой не. 4 у меня на работе
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[19:09:16] cutwater: http://rozetka.com.ua/dell_studio_xps_15z_dx15zi26408750al/p185877/
я вот себе ноут хотел взять
[19:09:27] cutwater: но сцуко цена и глянцевый экран просто убивают :'(
[19:09:54] nmk: а хз. мне глянец норм
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[19:10:11] cutwater: Просто не сильно хуже по характеристикам и по проще можно купить в два раза дешевле
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[19:10:24] Tony: http://technocity.ru/catalog/detail/51110/ я вот этот купил
[19:10:28] Tony: минималист as is
[19:10:39] slav0nic: cutwater, новые xps уже не то =\
[19:10:42] cutwater: я фанат Dell
[19:10:45] Tony: правда можно было на N570 взять, но там hdmi не было
[19:10:52] cutwater: slav0nic: ну вот значит хорошо что не купил
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[19:10:58] Tony: а я не люблю dell теперь
[19:11:04] Tony: купил два охуеть дорогих моника
[19:11:09] cutwater: каких?
[19:11:11] nmk: cutwater: покупай мак. глянец и еще дороже :)
[19:11:13] Tony: а у них через месяц появился эффект памяти
[19:11:16] slav0nic: cutwater, я тоже фанат
[19:11:20] slav0nic: но шота ...
[19:11:23] cutwater: nmk: эм... мне мак нафиг не надо
[19:11:35] slav0nic: смотрел новые 5110 на A8, как-то видео туда б ещё
[19:11:38] cutwater: Tony: =(
[19:11:40] Tony: http://www.opentech.ru/shop/catalog/item/?id=191707 вот таких
[19:11:54] Tony: у обоих разом при том появился этот эффект
[19:12:03] Tony: при том заметно в тех областях которые были статичны в основном
[19:12:11] cutwater: да уж совсем забавно
[19:12:35] cutwater: ну у меня U2410 стоит. вроде норм.
[19:12:39] nmk: Tony: взад не берут?
[19:13:01] Tony: nmk, два сразу? скорее всего скажут "негарантийный случай"
[19:13:06] cutwater: :-)
[19:13:15] cutwater: Tony: а ты попробуй штоле
[19:13:16] slav0nic: CPU info:
32 Intel(R) Itanium 2 9000 series processors (1.6 GHz, 12 MB)
533 MT/s bus, CPU version C2
64 logical processors (2 per socket)
Memory: 523767 MB (511.49 GB)
[19:13:24] slav0nic: хыхы В)
[19:13:26] Tony: сука как я долго искал два таких моника с одинаковой матрицей
[19:13:50] nmk: slav0nic: жирнота
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[19:14:47] slav0nic: nmk, это 50% )
[19:14:47] Tony: cutwater, я еще погоняю, эффект памяти виден только на темно сером цвете
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[19:14:54] Tony: cutwater, у меня обои такие были просто
[19:15:05] Tony: и возникает он быстро пиздец минут за 3-5
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[19:15:24] nmk: Tony: там в инструкции написано, что нельзя статическую картинку долго держать?
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[19:16:50] slav0nic: Tony, у делла ща рулят U2410, U2412M
[19:17:18] slav0nic: по крайней мере на ixbt ) хочу взять 2й
[19:17:21] cutwater: U2412 не торт же вроде?
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[19:17:25] Tony: nmk, хер его знает :)
[19:17:40] slav0nic: cutwater, чем? там урежали цвета и цену
[19:17:42] nmk: Tony: ну епт. почитай. если не написано, то неси смело. если написано -- неси не очень смело. он неси
[19:17:50] cutwater: slav0nic: я бы себе домой второй U2410 взял бы да вот некуда поставить
[19:18:19] nmk: а я дома таки себе купил железку с airplay и теперь гоняю музыку по воздуху туда.
[19:18:20] slav0nic: ну раньше его думал брать, 2я модель новее н оурезанней да) но первый больше для дизайнеров и фотографов
[19:18:41] slav0nic: я не думаю что разница в большем числе оттенком мою глазу будет заметна) но надо проверять)
[19:18:55] cutwater: slav0nic: ну хер его знает. =) надо поставить два рядом и посмотреть
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[19:19:02] cutwater: я бы таки взял такой же чтобы не выделялся
[19:19:11] slav0nic: угу в интернет магазине или на складе ) с этим какраз бок)
[19:19:34] cutwater: slav0nic: просто 2412 идет таки на E-IPS
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[19:25:10] Tony: nmk, есть
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[19:25:28] nmk: я вот смотрю pyramid, там есть какой-то аналог django.conf.settings ?
[19:25:28] Tony: nmk, в траблшутинг написано "use a dynamically changing screensaver"
[19:25:47] Tony: "Use the Power Management feature to turn off the monitor at all times when not in use"
[19:25:56] Tony: фича чтоли бля?
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[19:29:01] Tony: вообще если бы обои у меня не были серыми я бы хуй заметил вовсе
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[19:31:56] nmk: slav0nic: че-то мне не очень нравится ;(
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[20:20:41] Tony: nmk, нагуглил. оказывается первые 60 часов надо включать динамические картинки на этих мониторах
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[20:20:48] Tony: тогда они становятся устойчивыми к эффекту памяти
[20:20:52] Tony: пиздец кто бы знал нахуй
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