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[12:32:17] alexander.danilov: Привет, коллеги. А кто-то использовал sqlalchemy+postgresql и схемы?
Как лучше решить задачу, когда имя схемы меняется динамически?
[12:32:27] alexander.danilov: Через метаданные, наверное?
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[13:07:31] alexander.danilov: Привет, коллеги. А кто-то использовал sqlalchemy+postgresql и схемы?
Как лучше решить задачу, когда имя схемы меняется динамически?
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[13:10:12] Typhon: да все вроде увидели вопрос %)
[13:10:22] Typhon: я использовал "sqlalchemy+postgresql и схемы?"
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[13:10:30] Typhon: про "динамически" — не понял
[13:10:31] nmk: а в mod_wsgi можно указать максимальное время выполнения скрипта? типа если за 300 секнуд ничего не вернул грохать процесс нахер
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[13:10:43] Typhon: вместо повторения лучше разверни мысль
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[13:11:35] Typhon: nmk: http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/ConfigurationDirectives -> пишут про shutdown-timeout
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[13:11:43] nmk: это не то, как я понимаю
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[13:11:48] nmk: это когда ты reload делаешь
[13:12:39] nmk: в рассылке там чувак предлагает мониторить отедльным тредом
[13:12:43] nmk: но че-то как-то не ок
[13:12:55] Typhon: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1223927/how-to-stop-wsgi-from-hanging-apache
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[13:13:07] alexander.danilov: есть задача, в зависимости от домена использовать разные схемы. Вопрос в том, как лучше устанавливать текущую схему для алхимии? В каждом классе таблицы через __table_args__ или может как-то через метаданные глобально?
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[13:56:16] aries.ua: Народ, подскажите плиз. Требуется сделать служебный метод, который бы выполнялся перед выполнение любой вьюхи
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[13:56:25] aries.ua: Как это правильно делается?
[13:56:34] aries.ua: да, вопрос по джанге
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[13:56:57] alexander.danilov: Копай в сторону middleware - process_request
[13:57:11] aries.ua: спасибо! :)
[13:57:16] aries.ua: Сейчас буду пробовать :)
[13:57:39] alexander.danilov: если что, обращайся
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[13:58:25] alexander.danilov: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/topics/http/middleware/
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[15:47:27] downshft: пацаны в django-authority админку когда починят?
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[16:04:23] downshft: короче ребята, теперь серьезный вопрос. как правильно ставить pip'ом либы из сорцов, например. тоеть, мне нужен django-contacts, на ПуПи он 0.3, на гитхабе уже 0.4. я понимаю что просто pip install git+url, или как там, тоже срабатывает. но как это делать правильно? иногда вконце еще дописывают #egg=что-то там, зачем? иногда вижу еще ключи какие-то... короче как бы его так поставить чтобы ничего не сломать и все кошерно? алсо ставлю в систему так как проект в виртуалочке и там все под него....
[16:04:48] downshft: не сломать в плане дальнейших обновлений и т.п.
[16:05:04] downshft: хотя еслитакая ситуация может легче его в проекте прям держать...
[16:05:10] downshft: если на пупи нет
[16:05:14] slav0nic: egg просто имя пакета, которое будет фигурировать в либах
[16:05:33] slav0nic: а версии легко обновляются и так
[16:05:47] slav0nic: + можешь жёстко указать версию
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[16:06:31] downshft: на счет версии == я знаю, но вот я же ставлю из репозитария а не из ПуПи, как там это порешать, тобишь мне надо не запросить пакет версии такой а наоборот, указать что это этот пакет и версия его такова
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[16:08:51] downshft: хотя версия в библиотеке же тоже зашита... в setup.py это есть
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[16:12:11] slav0nic: ну укажи на tar.gz нужнйо версии с гита и тп
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[16:12:25] slav0nic: не уверен что можно указать нужную ревизию с нужнйо версией
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[16:24:57] downshft: slav0nic: Ну так а в #egg=Package мне писать в данном случае django-contacts или contacts ?? а тоон чета его требует уже обязательно...
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[16:29:18] xa4a: You have to start the URL with svn+ (git+, hg+ or bzr+), and you have to include #egg=Package so pip knows what to expect at that URL. You can also include @rev in the URL, e.g., @275 to check out revision 275.
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[16:29:54] downshft: это я читал, но пакет зовется django-contacts но устанавливается же как contacts....
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[16:30:38] xa4a: надо писать так, как называется в pypi, думаю
[16:30:53] xa4a: скорее всего, это важно для разруливания зависимостей
[16:31:15] xa4a: то есть, если кто-то зависит от django-contacts, то pip ему сообщит, что такой есть
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[16:31:34] downshft: потому я и спрашиваю... бля начал ставить гит в виртуалку а он потянул апач за собой О_О
[16:31:44] xa4a: убунта..
[16:31:54] downshft: есть немного
[16:32:01] downshft: но какого хера я не понимат
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[16:32:53] xa4a: для gitweb?
[16:33:11] downshft: я хз я ляпнул git-all, каюсь
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[17:34:47] py_two: привет всем
[17:34:57] py_two: нужна помощь в одном деле
[17:35:10] py_two: нужно двигло сайта
[17:35:16] xa4a: $400
[17:35:26] py_two: модульного
[17:35:30] xa4a: $450
[17:35:32] py_two: двигло типо сапе
[17:35:39] py_two: с работой с вебмане
[17:36:09] xa4a: $1450
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[17:37:52] py_two: xa4a: а если серьезно ?
[17:38:15] xa4a: что серьёзно?
[17:38:19] xa4a: в чём вопрос-то?
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[17:38:22] xa4a: написать тебе надо?
[17:38:24] xa4a: или найти?
[17:38:27] xa4a: или что?
[17:38:56] py_two: мне надо модульный скелетон
[17:39:04] py_two: чтобы можно было прикрутить туда авторизацию
[17:39:07] py_two: пользователей
[17:39:14] py_two: работу с вебмани
[17:39:25] py_two: остальное я ручкаме:)
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[17:40:13] py_two: xa4a: есть что-то подобное ?
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[17:40:35] py_two: пользователи на портале нужны с личными профилями и тд
[17:40:46] xa4a: а что гугл ответил?
[17:41:32] gigimon: py_two: есть, джанга :)
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[17:44:16] py_two: gigimon: на дьянге прикрутить это все быстро можно ?
[17:44:20] gigimon: да
[17:44:24] gigimon: дьянга..
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[17:48:50] py_two: да, ща ленукс поставлю и буду ставить дьянгу
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[17:53:39] py_two: gigimon: а мана нет типа быстрого построения портала с минимальным функционалом ?
[17:54:04] gigimon: иди гугли
[17:54:24] gigimon: хотя лучше даже django-cms сразу ставь
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[17:57:44] aries.ua: дьянга жесть :D
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[17:58:51] xa4a: py_two: зштфч
[17:58:53] xa4a: pinax
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[18:00:01] огыешсук: да ставь уж сразу друпал, чего голову морочить
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[18:01:16] py_two: xa4a: как бы не потеряться в этих фреймворках и настройках:)
[18:01:31] xa4a: нанять программиста
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[18:02:09] py_two: xa4a: да я сам как бы на трех уже
[18:02:19] py_two: не считая моих фейлов на пайтоне
[18:02:29] py_two: пайтон мой четвертый
[18:02:37] xa4a: тогда не потеряешься
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[18:05:03] py_two: xa4a: да вот я уже на перед думаю. Как бы так не получилось, что я 1/3 прикрутил функционала, а 2/3 пришлось вручную делать, хотя в соседней интегрейтед систем уже давно все реализовано
[18:05:07] py_two: вот этого я побаиваюсь
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[18:09:48] огыешсук: найми консутльтанта
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[18:15:32] py_two: xa4a: Пишу на django уже 3 года, Pinax — худшее из зол. Если вам нужен Pinax — тогда вам нужен Pinax, во всех остальных случаях вам НЕ нужен Pinax! Он абсолютно не расширяем, а в нынешнем наборе static, zero, basic, account так и вовсе непонятно зачем он нужен.
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[18:17:49] slav0nic: py_two, чё за копипаст с хабра...
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[18:20:27] py_two: slav0nic: мониторю что люди говорят по пинаксу
[18:20:51] slav0nic: выдавая за свои посты)
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[18:22:48] xa4a: py_two: ну тут выбор не большой: хочешь сам писать - бери любой cms и пили. что бы ты не взял - пилить прийдётся в любом случае. хочешь сам не писать - нанимай консультантов/программистов/etc
[18:22:50] xa4a: а то ты хочешь и писать и не писать
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[18:23:29] xa4a: тогда нанимай программистов и пили сам, очевидно
[18:23:48] py_two: xa4a: ты не понимаешь. Там портал будет большой. Там много чего ручками прийдется писать. Не хочется колеса писать руками
[18:24:43] xa4a: я понимаю, что большие порталы из коробки в опенсорсе не валяются
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[18:25:19] xa4a: но гугл же. что гугл говорит?
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[18:27:16] cutwater: py_two: ты на трех так же хреново как и на питоне?
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[18:30:49] py_two: cutwater: очень может быть
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[18:31:04] cutwater: эх.... жаль. а я то думал
[18:31:14] cutwater: py_two: ну хоть перечисли эти три
[18:31:46] py_two: cutwater: а тебе какая разница ?
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[18:32:00] slav0nic: рус яз, укр яз, хтмл)
[18:32:02] cutwater: интересно и скучно =)
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[18:33:36] огыешсук: /me . o 0 ((php, html и javascript))
[18:34:27] cutwater: /me php html javascript и css
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[18:35:07] py_two: cutwater: любопытной Варваре на базаре нос оторвали :)
[18:35:24] cutwater: делфи небось
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[18:37:19] py_two: cutwater: ну си пых питон
[18:37:46] py_two: и один оставим в секрете
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[18:44:30] gigimon: большой портал надо писать руками с нуля ящитаю
[18:44:54] gigimon: используя просто apps разные
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[18:46:02] cutwater: и на пхп конечно
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[18:48:37] py_two: cutwater: лолшто ? Зачем пхп ?
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[18:50:12] cutwater: py_two: он же хороший, няшный. плюс на нем куча хостингов
[18:50:37] py_two: cutwater: и что ?
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[18:51:44] cutwater: py_two: ты какой-то скучный
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[18:53:16] gigimon: cutwater: толще тролль
[18:54:45] cutwater: =)
[18:55:04] xa4a: просто пхп - это глобально и надёжно
[18:55:06] xa4a: вон фейсбук
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[18:55:09] xa4a: или википедия
[18:55:18] xa4a: а гугл, вы думали, а чём написан?
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[18:56:39] py_two: xa4a: ну тогда зачем вы юзаете дьянгу ?
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[18:57:27] xa4a: а я не юзаю
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[18:57:56] cutwater: /me тоже не юзает
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[19:07:40] огыешсук: /me даже не знает что это такое
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[20:19:08] deepwalker: никто не встречал - несрост по datetime между sqla и pysqlite?
[20:19:38] deepwalker: TypeError: expected string or Unicode object, datetime.datetime found
[20:19:52] deepwalker: хочет из строки datetime сделать, который уже и так datetime
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[21:23:51] Atterratio: Народ, помогите плииз, нарыл пример, там есть оператор ^=, но я не как не могу нагуглить, что он делает...
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[21:24:24] огыешсук: Возводит в степень равенства.
[21:24:50] Atterratio: огыешсук: хм, а тогда что этот делает **=
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[21:26:10] огыешсук: >>> a=1
>>> b=2
>>> a^=b
>>> a
3
[21:26:35] огыешсук: >>> a**=b
>>> a
9

[21:26:47] огыешсук: теперь понятно?
[21:27:35] огыешсук: Чем **= хуже += или -=?
[21:27:42] Atterratio: оно делает с числами какую то магию, не доступную моему мозгу...
[21:27:59] огыешсук: а+=b это понятно?
[21:28:20] Atterratio: огыешсук: да, прибавляет б и возвращает результат в а
[21:28:59] огыешсук: **= теперь тоже понятно?
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[21:29:31] xa4a: "Возводит в степень равенства." Oo
[21:29:42] Atterratio: огыешсук: да, возводит a в степень б и возращает результат в а
[21:30:00] огыешсук: Ну и ^= тоже понятный теперь, да?
[21:30:05] Atterratio: огыешсук: но это не на шаг меня не приблизило к пониманию что делает ^=
[21:30:27] огыешсук: Ну как это что? Оно делает a=a^b, разумеется.
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[21:31:21] Atterratio: огыешсук: ок... вот в чём моя проблема... видимо спать пора...
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[21:31:54] xa4a: Atterratio: тогда должно быть понятно, что делает ^=^
[21:32:09] Atterratio: огыешсук: это какой то оператор алгебры логики, который я в школе не проходил)
[21:32:51] xa4a: это оператор XOR
[21:33:31] огыешсук: >>> 1^1
0
>>> 0^0
0
>>> 1^0
1
>>> 0^1
1

[21:33:59] огыешсук: Это понятно.
[21:34:08] огыешсук: А вот так уже чуть-чуть веселее:
>>> 1^2
3
>>> 2^1
3
>>> 1^3
2

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[21:34:12] Atterratio: огыешсук: спасибо более мение понял, осталось понять как это в примере заюзано)
[21:34:37] Atterratio: ух...
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[21:37:11] Atterratio: занятно, в примере это фактически даёт переключение сежду 0 и 1, что и так было из смысла понятно... только я не могу понять почему когда я ручками это вбиваю не работает)))
[21:38:55] levsha: детский сад на канале? Объяснение битовых операций бытовыми аналогиями с каким-то там переключениями?
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[21:39:42] Atterratio: levsha: да да да, сейчас доем свою гречку, выпью молоко с мдом и пойду спать.
[21:39:46] огыешсук: ну дак первый же час ночи
[21:39:49] огыешсук: на дворе
[21:40:14] levsha: Atterratio: Хрюшу со Степашей еще можешь посмотреть если вел себя хорошо
[21:40:35] Atterratio: levsha: я вёл себя плохо, видишь не сплю до сих пор.
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[22:59:11] Atterratio: Фух чуть лоб не расшибил, но понял таки как сделать, чтоб работало, и мне понятно было)
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