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[08:33:20] Ляпатяпа: как я уже задолбался со статикой в джанго. С первого раза наверное ни разу не смог настроить
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[08:33:48] Ляпатяпа: urlpatterns += patterns('',
(r'^static/(?P<path>.*)$', 'django.views.static.serve', {'document_root': settings.STATIC_ROOT, 'show_indexes': True}),
)
/static/ в браузере показывает, а при клике на папку - 404
[08:36:07] Ляпатяпа: права на диру нормальные
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[08:45:47] Ляпатяпа: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=78425#p78425 помогло
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[09:27:26] Ляпатяпа: а кто как настраивал vim для вставки {% %} и {{ }}?
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[11:45:57] slav0nic: бекапная фиговина? я юзал её аналог без шифрования
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[11:46:10] webninja: юзаю емакс с такой проблемой не сталкивался
[11:47:11] webninja: Ляпатяпа а ты сделай дефолт прожект для себя натрой там всё. пульни на гитхаб и затем реюзай для новых проектов.
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[11:48:11] webninja: это pythonic way, да )
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[11:49:10] slav0nic: гитхаб для рубистов В)
[11:49:44] Tony: како мудазвон этот duplicity в проект воткнул
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[11:49:48] Tony: теперь я не могу восстановить бэкап
[11:50:15] slav0nic: ну там аля rsync
[11:50:23] slav0nic: можно вытянуть бекап за определённый интервал
[11:50:27] slav0nic: я правда смутно помню)
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[11:51:44] Ляпатяпа: а чем дефолт прожект поможет?
[11:52:20] Ляпатяпа: у меня просто плагин вставляет парные скобки, надо как-нибудь сделать с ним совместимым
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[11:55:26] Tony: там пиздец какой-то почему-то не восстанавливается с ебанутой ошибкой
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[12:20:57] webninja: хочу фласк осовить по тихой
[12:21:03] webninja: говорят нормальная тема щаз.
[12:21:52] webninja: правда для рафинированных джангистов сложновато наверное
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[12:28:09] zandr_dw: Приветствую, PYconfUA
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[12:29:10] zandr_dw: Начинаю изучать програмиинг с нуля, за основу взял Пайтон\Джанго
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[12:29:59] zandr_dw: Возникли вопросы, если есть у кого свободная минутка, нид хелп >> http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=80667
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[12:32:05] slav0nic: zandr_dw, wiki/__init__.py есть?
[12:32:49] zandr_dw: Да, на месте
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[12:35:16] Ляпатяпа: 'wikicamp.wiki',
[12:35:21] Ляпатяпа: замени на 'wiki',
[12:35:38] Ляпатяпа: в INSTALLED_APPS
[12:35:47] zandr_dw: ок, щя пробую
[12:36:04] webninja: ах блин опередили
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[12:42:27] zandr_dw: ха... дадало кучу ошибок, но это уже прогресс, Ляпатяпа спасибо
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[12:45:20] zandr_dw: та...да)))))) Поправил, models.py и все синхронизировалось. Спасибо!!! Буду грызть дальше))
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[13:45:26] Jeiz: вот этот код почему то нормально не работает
[13:45:31] Jeiz: картинка не грузится
[13:45:50] Jeiz: если грузить не в функции
[13:45:53] Jeiz: то всё норм
[13:47:08] zandr_dw: Есть ли в Украине, хорошие джанго девелоперы. Способные поднять сайт уровня портал(блог, форум, мини.соц. фото-галерея) ?
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[13:49:57] Ляпатяпа: нет
[13:50:01] Ляпатяпа: ни одного
[13:50:11] Ляпатяпа: инфа 100%
[13:50:15] Jeiz: а всё я понял в чём моя ошибка
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[13:50:36] Jeiz: мне надо сделать image глобальной переменной
[13:53:36] zandr_dw: печально, что у джангистотв такая ситуация
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[13:53:49] xa4a: zandr_dw: есть шанс исправить!
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[13:54:26] zandr_dw: все держится на одиночках фрилансерах((
[13:54:37] zandr_dw: мейнстрим за ПХП
[13:54:54] xa4a: ты хочешь об этом поговорить?
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[13:55:27] zandr_dw: ну коль карта ляжет будем исправлять ситуацию, хоть и не так много времени (((
[13:55:35] nmk: да вообще мне эта джанга после пхп таким говном кажется
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[13:56:06] nmk: самое смешное, что если написать print "hello", то в браузере это не покажется
[13:56:14] nmk: могли бы уж нормально сделать
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[13:56:41] zandr_dw: мне фиолетово по поводу мейнстрима, вникаю в Джангу ради себя, любопытно да и есть идеи, хочу реализовать)
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[13:58:01] zandr_dw: nmk если тебе не нравится джанга что ты тут делаешь ?
[13:58:15] nmk: zandr_dw: ну тут же про питон
[13:58:19] nmk: хотя тоже так себе язычок
[13:58:25] nmk: я много где есть!
[13:58:29] nmk: слушаю. читаю. учусь.
[13:58:35] Jeiz: мэйнстрим выбирает руби на рельсах
[13:58:38] Jeiz: инфа 100%
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[13:58:45] zandr_dw: ну, это правельно)
[13:59:07] огыешсук: 146%
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[13:59:24] огыешсук: и дотнейт
[13:59:35] zandr_dw: помоему что РоР что Джанга одинаково популярны
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[13:59:53] Ляпатяпа: что сейчас круче всего для локализации БД?
[13:59:55] zandr_dw: тоесть у нас почти отсуцтвует ((
[14:00:22] огыешсук: Локализации? Не можете найти сервер?
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[14:00:39] Ляпатяпа: интернационализации...
[14:00:40] Jeiz: не могут перевести его на русский
[14:01:02] огыешсук: в смысле -- в джанге или в принципе?
[14:01:30] Ляпатяпа: в джанге. Нашел http://code.google.com/p/django-modeltranslation/, юзал кто?
[14:01:47] огыешсук: Я в джанге юзаю multilingual и localeurl
[14:03:29] Ляпатяпа: как выглядит? подключается прозрачно?
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[14:04:03] огыешсук: Относительно.
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[14:04:58] огыешсук: Выглядит как вкладки у текстовых полей в админке -- английская там, арабская и так далее.
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[14:05:42] Ляпатяпа: года два назад видел обзор сейчас нашел его... http://webnewage.org/2008/02/12/multiyazyichnost-problemyi-vyibora/
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[14:09:09] огыешсук: Мелочь всякую розетта переводит.
[14:09:20] огыешсук: А тексты через админку, да.
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[14:22:45] cutwater: zandr_dw: я таки влезу. но правильно пишется через И
[14:23:05] cutwater: и таки джанга уныла чуть более чем полностью. пора ее уже сменить новым годным фреймворком
[14:23:16] cutwater: а вообще таки да PHP мейнстрим для веба. угу
[14:23:28] zandr_dw: что через И
[14:23:36] xa4a: cutwater: написал бы уже новый фреймворк
[14:23:46] cutwater: zandr_dw: правИльно
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[14:23:56] cutwater: xa4a: кто б помог. у меня творческий кризис. =(
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[14:24:12] cutwater: то есть начинаю банально стопориться на месте как вот сделать лучше так или иначе.
[14:24:17] xa4a: cutwater: тогда не ной :D
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[14:24:36] cutwater: xa4a: а ты бы помог советом штоле?
[14:24:41] xa4a: мне вот вчера надо было базу от IPB форума расковырять
[14:24:56] xa4a: взял джангу, инспектнул базу, оно само построило модели и за час поднял рид-онли форум
[14:25:29] slav0nic: cutwater, у меня такаяже беда)) поэтому месяца 2 не кодю нифига
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[14:27:40] zandr_dw: мне бы ваши проблемы))
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[14:34:20] xa4a: cutwater: совет: пиши на джанге
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[14:43:18] Tony: мне бы ваши проблемы. у меня такой адов пиздец что это нихуя не проблемы
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[14:46:36] zandr_dw: рассказывай
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[14:47:38] cutwater: xa4a: пиши на джанге, используй sqlalchemy, jinja2 и будет счастье =)
[14:47:54] Tony: документация говно, люди которые нихуя не разбираются как в программировании так и в предметной части учат меня как сделать "правильно"
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[14:51:20] Tony: чуваки не понимают что такое архитектурный косяк и просто баг в коде
[14:51:28] Tony: и усираются что что-то очень легко подправить
[14:51:36] Tony: на самом деле надо пересматривать нахуй архитектуру
[14:51:42] Tony: про такие вещи как MVC не слышали
[14:51:47] Tony: АДОВ ПИЗДЕЦ
[14:52:56] zandr_dw: меняй коллектив, днйствительно тяжко о_О
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[14:53:31] Tony: и за это мне платят очень дохуя, а я больше не могу делать говно и бесконечно сраться на счет очевидных вещей. :(
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[14:54:19] zandr_dw: требуй у начальства диктатуры
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[14:54:32] Tony: бесполезно
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[14:54:33] zandr_dw: а что пишите ?
[14:54:38] Tony: лучше не знать что пишем
[14:54:43] Tony: CMS PROJECT
[14:54:49] Tony: самое лучшее описание
[14:54:55] zandr_dw: ))
[14:55:00] xa4a: код ревью же помогает
[14:55:04] Tony: точнее это не CMS а лютый пиздец ад и израиль
[14:55:14] Tony: неее... тут еще один момент "КОД ПАСУТ"
[14:55:16] xa4a: с помощью код ревью можно манипулировать людьми!
[14:55:19] Tony: который никто не знает как работает
[14:55:23] zandr_dw: хаха, тебе виднее)
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[14:58:07] zandr_dw: я вот хочу написать аля современный жж, да вот и учусь с НУЛЯ програмированию))) иногда крыша едит))
[14:58:24] Tony: хабр?
[14:58:54] Tony: все когда-то учатся программированию с нуля
[14:58:55] zandr_dw: идей полно, реализовать нет мозга(((
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[14:59:27] zandr_dw: хабр больше похож на форум)) я больше на жж + соц.
[14:59:43] Tony: может pinax это то что ты хочешь?
[15:00:00] zandr_dw: щя гляну
[15:00:14] Tony: темплейт social раньше там был
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[15:01:22] Tony: меня люто бесит views.py в котором 5к строк
[15:01:33] Tony: одна вьюха 800 строк - хуита вообще мало короткая
[15:01:53] Tony: view которая не работает и никогда не работала и судя по всему никогда не будет работать - норма
[15:02:01] Tony: декоратор который не делает нихуя - норма
[15:02:12] Tony: копипаст - вообще самый лучший design pattern
[15:02:29] Tony: формы - вообще нахуй
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[15:02:44] Tony: смотреть как на голых view сделано то что делаетсф формсетом - жуть
[15:02:48] Tony: я больше не могу
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[15:03:37] xa4a: Tony: очевидно, что ты хочешь этим заниматься
[15:03:49] Tony: совершенно одинаковые блоки if else это тоже нормально
[15:03:56] Tony: xa4a, нет
[15:04:01] xa4a: нет, хочешь
[15:04:03] Tony: но я на игле аутсорсинга блядь
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[15:04:16] xa4a: сделай трактор и пили продуктики
[15:04:25] webninja: жесть
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[15:07:53] webninja: pep8 то хоть соблюдается? )
[15:08:12] Tony: смешно ага
[15:08:38] огыешсук: а не было мысли заняться своими личными продуктами
[15:08:41] огыешсук: &
[15:08:43] огыешсук: ?
[15:08:53] Tony: было
[15:09:02] zandr_dw: Тони это ты про pinax Ругался ?
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[15:09:21] Tony: давно бы занялся, была бы хорошая идея. только свой продукт это не только программирование
[15:09:22] webninja: или одеск
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[15:09:28] Tony: я много на что ругался :)
[15:09:35] webninja: команда нужна, да
[15:09:49] Tony: команда, при том не только техническая
[15:09:57] webninja: естественно
[15:10:04] Tony: а с этим проблемы
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[15:11:11] zandr_dw: если писать для себя то достаточно идеи, к которой ты идешь. правда идти можно весьма долго одному
[15:11:59] огыешсук: да
[15:12:21] webninja: можно и не дойти
[15:12:32] webninja: кладбище проектов у каждого наверное есть )))
[15:12:39] Tony: ага
[15:13:06] zandr_dw: хотябы 3чела в Тим, прогер, верстальщик\скриптер и дизайнер за общюю идею))
[15:14:00] Tony: этого мало
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[15:14:11] webninja: мало для серьезного шита )
[15:14:21] webninja: я щаз открыл для себя bootstrap ваще четкая тема )
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[15:14:33] огыешсук: только медленная очень
[15:14:35] webninja: ваще если идея пиздатая то можно за пару дней прототип накидать
[15:14:35] Tony: мало не в том смысле
[15:14:39] огыешсук: три года сли повезет
[15:14:41] webninja: есть такие темы.
[15:14:56] zandr_dw: ну минимум хотя бы, не для коммерескоро старта
[15:15:01] Tony: мало в том, что нужен маркетолог, нужен дизайнер интерфейсов и прочее.
[15:15:14] Tony: некоммерческих стартапов у меня вагон и маленькая тележка - это не серьезно
[15:15:18] webninja: еще + бабки и мотивация
[15:15:27] Tony: либо как nginx
[15:15:37] zandr_dw: как ?
[15:15:50] Tony: nginx
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[15:16:01] Tony: как народ сделал бабло на некоммерческом проекте
[15:16:11] Tony: и то сколько лет они пилили пока получили дохуя бабла
[15:18:29] zandr_dw: конечно, коммереское и успешное в наше время не многим удается создать((
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[15:20:07] webninja: сервисы нужно делать saas
[15:20:11] webninja: или как там
[15:20:21] Tony: soa
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[15:22:05] xa4a: в джанге, кстати, уже что-то заплили вменяемое для регистрации юзеров?
[15:22:13] xa4a: или надо как и раньше, всё самому переписывать?
[15:22:30] Tony: по-моему кусками
[15:22:30] webninja: самому
[15:22:39] webninja: вроде даже в роадмэпе нету такого
[15:22:48] xa4a: (можно не встроенное)
[15:22:51] webninja: сессии добавят в 1.4 модные
[15:23:13] Tony: а ну есть django-registration но там пиздец лучше посмотри много раз оно это или нет надо )
[15:23:17] xa4a: но чтобы с минимумом усилий умел, накпример фб. вконтакте, опенид авторизацию
[15:23:36] xa4a: когда последний раз что-то пилил, вроде, юзал django-registration
[15:24:07] xa4a: там действительно что-то было готово. но не было, кажется, внешний провайдеров
[15:24:14] xa4a: *них
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[15:24:24] webninja: https://bitbucket.org/lorien/django-account/overview
[15:24:28] Tony: http://loginza.ru/ типа такого
[15:24:29] webninja: вот такая штука есть
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[15:31:10] xa4a: спасибо
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[16:03:26] Ляпатяпа: multilingual-ng ломается при заходе на редактирование записи в админке
[16:03:30] Ляпатяпа: TypeError at /admin/products/product/1/

add_filter() got an unexpected keyword argument 'force_having'
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[16:06:41] Ляпатяпа: ладно, завтра с этим буду разбираться
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[18:47:55] gigimon: а кто юзал django-celery+redis как бэкенд? пчоему могут tasks в админке не показываться?
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[20:44:53] Joes: http://mrjoes.github.com/2011/12/15/sockjs-bench.html
[20:45:06] Joes: грамматические фиксы приветствуются.
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[20:45:35] Joes: тряпку.
[20:46:03] Joes: cpython чуть лучше держит нагрузку, хотя очень нестабилен в скорости.
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[21:56:22] bugi: Посоны, кто подскажет либы для работы с редисом?
[21:56:31] bugi: уже готовые
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