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[07:53:46] asvasa: Здравствуйте. Может ли кто-нибудь дать небольшую подсказку
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[08:04:27] asvasa: Можете подсказать, почему при использовании регулярных выражений скрипт не может найти идущие подряд пустые строки? (\r\n\r\n) Они в тексте есть.
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[13:51:45] fatruden: Добрый день!
подскажите пож. как лучше записывать/изменять данные в конфигурационном файле xml?
файл простой. выглядеть может примерно вот так:
<?xml version="1.0"?>

<TREE>
<GROUPS>
<GROUPNAME name="Prodaction"></GROUPNAME>
<HOST>
<HOSTNAME name"my host"></HOSTNAME>
</HOST>
<HOST>
<HOSTNAME name"my host_1"></HOSTNAME>
</HOST>
</GROUPS>
</TREE>

секции <HOST> могуи добовляться, удаляться, или изминятся.
Как это лучше реализовать?
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[13:56:33] serega-nk: лучше json использовать)
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[13:57:03] fatruden: почему лучше?он же сложнее вроде
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[13:58:01] serega-nk: проще) и нативнее) сам смотри вот http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/xml.etree.elementtree.html#module-xml.etree.ElementTree и вот http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/json.html#module-json
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[13:59:33] fatruden: я сейчас исользую elementTree но это для парсинга...а мне нужно чем то сначало записать данные в файл
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[13:59:59] serega-nk: from xml.etree.ElementTree import Element, SubElement
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[14:01:04] fatruden: тойсть этот модуль так же умее писать в файл?я в документации про запись с помощь него нечего не видел..
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[14:01:20] serega-nk: а да еще и tostring
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[14:02:08] serega-nk: создаешь Element потом добавляешь SubElement, затем через tostring в строку изаписываешь в файл
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[14:03:24] serega-nk: както так но лучше json
[14:03:26] serega-nk: report = Element('report')
SubElement(report, 'description').text = description
open(filename, 'wb').write(tostring(report, 'utf-8'))

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[14:04:48] fatruden: спасибо за приемр! а как насчет записи в определенную позицию файла? это уже мой велосипед или есть что для этого?
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[14:07:01] serega-nk: хм, это же конфиг,? но при добавлении в середину файла, реально он полностью переписан будет, точно не уверен смотря какая фс
[14:07:31] огыешсук: если конфиг, то какая проблема весь переписать? Всё одно ж короткий.
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[14:09:21] fatruden: я понимаю, я имею в виду то что мне необходимо будет читать каждую строку чтоб определить куда всттавлять и после этого с новыми данными записать конфиг в файл перезаписав старый?
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[14:10:38] serega-nk: поидеи у тебя должен быть класс который умеет загружаться из xml и сохраняться в него, если тебе нужна базаданных то лучше sqlite тогда
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[14:11:24] fatruden: извините, но про класс не понял)
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[14:15:24] serega-nk: эм конфиг, ты его кудато в своей программе считываешь же? конфиг это не базаданных, его нужно призагрузки программы считывать и призавершении записывать если необходимо)
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[14:17:53] fatruden: кстати, хороший вопрос) у меня раньше была только одна секция <HOST> и соответственно я считывал просто в переменные...а теперь когда их будет несколько, даже и не знаю как быть...есть вариант какой то?
[14:19:15] fatruden: причем сколько будет секция не известно и переменными естественно не запасешься)
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[14:19:58] serega-nk: для этого есть списки
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[14:21:45] fatruden: списки же точно) чето я марознул...

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[14:22:21] gigimon: списки, для хранения конфига
[14:22:22] gigimon: ужс
[14:22:30] gigimon: тогда уж словарь
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[14:23:46] fatruden: в моем случае список в полне сойдет...
конфиг парсер не подходит...в конф. парсере. нужно знать точное имя параметра и секции а у меня куча будет элементов имен которых я в принципи знать не могу...
[14:23:52] огыешсук: зачем велосипед?
[14:24:02] огыешсук: есть много конфиг парсеров
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[14:24:49] gigimon: конфиг без знания параметров
[14:24:54] gigimon: конфиг парсеру насрать
[14:24:59] gigimon: что будет в конфиге
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[14:25:47] gigimon: fatruden: список как минимум не может быть конфигом, т.к. это просто набор данных
[14:25:51] gigimon: поенял порядок и все
[14:25:59] gigimon: значения не туда идут
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[14:26:26] fatruden: я понемаю что настрать. ну ты же конкретный параметр считываешь? правильно а у меня будет 10 имен хостов например как мне их считать?
[hosts]
host = lllllll
host = ffffff
host = eeee
и как такое почитать?
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[14:28:15] gigimon: fatruden: хранить в 1 секции разные параметры с 1 именем как минимум плохо
[14:28:49] gigimon: храни как hosts = host1, host2
[14:29:08] gigimon: и не будет проблем (:
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[14:29:58] gigimon: я не встречал еще конфигов не как ключ - значение
[14:30:02] gigimon: причем ключи разные
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[14:31:17] fatruden: правильно, у меня не стандартный конфиг. уменя в конфиши описываются хосты и каждый хост описывается группой параметров. сколько хостов столько имена параметров будут повторяться...
поэтому xml и elementTree идеально подходит для чтения. я 10-строчками все читаю и получаю красивый результат. вот осталось разобрать как этот файл писать программно..
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[14:31:29] fatruden: ну с вашей помощью я уже примерно понял)
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[14:32:07] gigimon: разбирать ini конфиг xml?
[14:32:13] gigimon: извращенцы процветают
[14:32:25] gigimon: тогда уж храни как xml
[14:32:34] serega-nk: эм... конфиг это словарь (ключ-значение), значения которого могут быть хоть текстом, хоть словорем, хоть списком...
[14:32:52] gigimon: да
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[14:33:01] fatruden: конфиг у меня в xml! вы чего) это прсто предложение было в ини. пример конфига выше по тексту
[14:33:08] gigimon: только в каком конфиге ты встречал одинаковые имена в 1 секции?
[14:33:22] gigimon: fatruden: ах, ну тогда разбирай его xml
[14:33:24] gigimon: это ок
[14:33:55] fatruden: в одной секции, имена разные. секции идентичные.
[14:34:08] serega-nk: какая разница как и где это словарь хранить, json нативнее, хотя для питона нативнее файлы .py))
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[14:34:54] fatruden: вобщем ладно) я для себя что хотел узнать - узнал. спасибо вам!
[14:35:08] serega-nk: всегда пожалуйсто :)
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[14:44:39] fatruden: мужчины, open(filename, 'wb').write(tostring(report, 'utf-8')) ругается что tostring not define
хотя в эклипсе в автодополнении присутствует
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[14:46:53] serega-nk: from xml.etree.ElementTree import tostring
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[14:47:44] fatruden: все, все) догодался...спасибо
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[14:53:39] fatruden: попробовал этот вариант:
report = Element('report')
SubElement(report, 'description').text = description
open(filename, 'wb').write(tostring(report, 'utf-8'))

все отлично, только весь конфиг получает в виде одно строки) понемаю, что парсеру пофиг как его читать..но чисто для глаз очень не удобно...
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[15:10:16] Andrey Popp: *toprettyxml()
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[15:23:15] fatruden: а не исполльзуя минидум..уже просто часть на elementTree сделал хотелось бы все
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[16:01:08] fatruden: разобрался с xml.dom.minidom! очень красиво пишит xml с табуляцией
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[17:13:09] fatruden: Мужчины, подскажите по xml.dom.minidom.
вот такой метод createElement("GROUPS") создает тег такого вида,
<GROUPS>
</GROUPS>

а как создать тег вот такого вида?
<TAGNAME>мои данные</TAGNAME>
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[19:26:04] aries.ua: Народ, просветите. Есть к примеру свойства объекта -
class Test(object):
t_0 = ''
t_1 = ''
t_2 = ''

[19:26:24] aries.ua: Можно их как нить вывести в цикле, на подобие
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[19:27:06] aries.ua: t = Test
for i in xrange(3):
print t. Вот тут что написать?
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[19:27:12] downshft: ребята, а есть на цжр какие-то, извиняюсь, геймдев конфы вменяемые?
[19:27:33] downshft: getattr
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[19:27:50] downshft: getattr(t, "t_%d" % i)
[19:27:54] downshft: или как там вместо %d
[19:28:14] aries.ua: спасибо!
[19:28:34] downshft: ^_^
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[22:11:48] Sof_com: Всем привет! КТО ЧИТАЛ "Программирование на Python 4-е издание, 2011 год" (2-а тома). Как книженция?
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[22:15:25] cutwater: Это чья книга?
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[22:15:59] cutwater: а Лутч
[22:16:02] cutwater: *Лутц
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[22:17:45] cutwater: Я вот думаю купить или не купить. С одной строны фирма оплачивает, с другой... полезность книг по питону весьма сомнительна
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[22:24:43] Sof_com: Ага Лутц
[22:25:06] Sof_com: 2-а тома за 2011 год
[22:25:12] Sof_com: В PDF
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[22:25:38] Sof_com: За 100 рэ продам
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[22:31:46] cutwater: в бумажном бы интересно.
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[22:32:07] cutwater: Sof_com: как я уже сказал в реальности ни одна из книг по питону не оказалась существенно полезной
[22:32:11] cutwater: так для коллекции
[22:32:14] Andrey Popp: Sof_com: а у себя PDF удалишь?
[22:32:20] cutwater: Andrey Popp: =)
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[22:32:41] Sof_com: неа
[22:33:00] Andrey Popp: тогда это не продам называется) а скопирую
[22:33:30] Sof_com: Andrey Popp: дам доступ к распространениюи чтению
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[22:33:43] Sof_com: :-D
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[22:35:43] cutwater: Sof_com: с английским штоле все настолько плохо?
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[22:36:24] Sof_com: cutwater: пока "да", но учу
[22:36:33] cutwater: а ну тогда да это печально
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[22:38:31] Sof_com: Что поделаешь, в возрасте 15-18 лет думал что ин яз мне не пригодится и прогуливал (тогда ведь 90-ые были)
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[22:40:12] Sof_com: А в этом году приспичело энг в голову погрузить, вот и погружаю, к середине след года уже надеюсь быть вменяемым в энглише
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[22:59:29] Sof_com: xa4a: Ты мне?
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[22:59:51] xa4a: английский сам учишь? или крсу какие-то?
[23:00:31] Sof_com: xa4a: Сам. Но у меня есть друзья из США (которые тут у нас в городе)
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[23:00:49] xa4a: а как учишь сам?
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[23:01:17] Sof_com: xa4a: Зазубриваю фразы ну и потом обкатываю на своих товарищах-носителях
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[23:02:23] Sof_com: Тупо беру и гружу в Anki нужные мне слова-фразы-предложения
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[23:03:10] Sof_com: Ах да, естьеще паhe веб-сервисов к которым периодически прибегаю
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[23:03:40] Sof_com: есть еще пару веб-сервисов к которым периодически прибегаю
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[23:06:34] Sof_com: LinguaLeo и Forvo.com
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[23:08:58] Sof_com: Короче 2-а тома Python у меня, в хорошем PDF'е (где и поиск и выделение и все структурировано), 100 рэ кидайте и всем раздам :)
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[23:35:53] Sof_com: Там еще про Python 3.2 на руском
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