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url(r'^m/(?<short_link>[\S\d]{%d})/$' % SHORT_URL_LEN, short_url_view,
'short-url'),
)
[00:42:27] webninja: мля жанго чото не хавает
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[00:43:05] webninja: а тфу ты
[00:43:08] webninja: невнимательность
[00:43:13] webninja: P забыл
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[00:51:55] py_two: а как в дьянге осуществляется перелинковка ?
[00:52:23] gigimon: перелинковка?
[00:52:25] py_two: вручную прийдется писать или уже есть что-то написаное ?
[00:52:32] gigimon: всмысле перелинковка
[00:53:00] gigimon: то, что я знаю - это придумка сеошниклв
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[00:53:41] py_two: но она существует
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[00:55:30] gigimon: так ты скажи что это
[00:55:39] gigimon: если сеошная хрень, то гореть в аду!
[00:56:10] py_two: сеошная хрень:)
[00:56:21] gigimon: гори в аду!!!!!!!!!
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[00:59:07] webninja: я раньше сео занимался
[00:59:14] gigimon: и тебя сжечь
[00:59:27] webninja: потом решил перейти на сторону добра и начал заниматься программированием
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[01:00:21] webninja: все равно знать нужно как в сайтах некоторые моменты делать. всякие там rel="canonical" и т.д.
[01:00:51] webninja: закрытие страниц некоторых от индексации
[01:01:49] webninja: функцию перелинковки обычно выполняют тэги
[01:02:00] webninja: типа семантическая связь между страницами.
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[01:05:39] webninja: py_two смотри что есть для тэгов
[01:05:53] py_two: webninja: ок
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[03:22:43] xa4a: скоро сеошники будут не нужны
[03:24:22] xa4a: когда гугл придумает алгоритм оценки страниц, инвариантный относительно сеошников
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[03:46:35] webninja: да уже много что сделали для этого.
[03:47:36] webninja: но все равно алгоритмы эти будут иметь какие-то лазейки. любой фактор в принципе накручивается искуственно.
[03:48:52] webninja: однако гугл умнее все это становится более затратно. в конечном итоге по честному рабоать (делать сайты хорошие, уникальный контент все дела) будет выгоднее чем рвать жопу с сео, но опять же большой вопрос когда это будет, особенно в коммерческих тематиках.
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[08:12:23] running-frag: может кто подсказать, http://pastebin.com/rUtbGCkK
[08:12:28] running-frag: бьёт ошибку
[08:12:41] running-frag: socket.__init__(self)
TypeError: module.__init__() argument 1 must be str, not start_host
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[08:42:22] neoascetic: что за код вообще
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[10:33:09] webninja: огыешсук как там в тайланде? )
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[10:35:07] Ляпатяпа: мне почему-то кажется, что в Тайланде заябись
[10:35:16] Ляпатяпа: а я вчера на работе машину оставил, не смог завести
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[10:58:21] огыешсук: webninja: солнечно
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[10:59:48] огыешсук: Купаюсь, катаюсь на водных мотоциклах, летаю на параплане над морем, думаю заняться серфингом (или винд-серфингом -- кто из них с парусом?), снимаю довольно большой домик всего за десятку, плюс мотоцикл за 2500.
[11:00:15] webninja: за десятку чего?
[11:00:23] огыешсук: килорублей
[11:00:29] огыешсук: чего ж ещё
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[11:00:56] webninja: блин заебок ) у меня вроде сростается с тайландом все хорошо тоже через какое-то время буду наслаждаться этим всем великолепием.
[11:01:11] webninja: работать то реально?
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[11:01:41] огыешсук: ты скажи мне как полетишь, я попрошу с собой немного медицины привезти, а то у меня за два с лишним месяца кончается уже всё что с собой привёз
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[11:02:45] огыешсук: работать реально, особенно если дождь, у меня в дождь получается аж 10 часов работать, а в нормальный день часа 4-5, а иногда даже и все 6-7.
[11:03:26] webninja: скажу )
[11:03:36] webninja: а как до самуи добираться?
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[11:05:28] огыешсук: самолётом до бангока, потом не выходя из аэропорта сразу на самолёт на самуи, это проще и быстрее всего
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[11:05:32] webninja: пишут 14 часов на автобусе этож ад ваще )
[11:05:40] webninja: ага
[11:05:40] огыешсук: нафиг автобус
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[11:06:49] огыешсук: самолёт из бангкока до самуи примерно час летит, причём ещё и покормят по ходу, плюс посмотришь на острова (а их тут много) с неба, красиво
не представляю зачем кому то выбирать автобус вместо этого
[11:07:16] webninja: экзотика )))
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[11:07:39] webninja: там есть сайты где заранее посмотреть чо по домикам?
[11:08:21] огыешсук: Скорее нищета, автобус стоит 1.5 килорублей, а самолёт 4 килорубля, кто-то согласен мучиться 14 часов ради сотни баксов экономии.
[11:08:29] sakal: огыешсук: а чё как там с интернетом?
[11:08:38] огыешсук: sakal: ну вот же, общаюсь.
[11:08:49] webninja: с интернетом щаз везде норм. друг щаз в индии говорит и там норм. уже в гоа все с нетом
[11:08:52] sakal: да, xmpp много трафика не кушает)
[11:09:07] огыешсук: Тут основные качальщики из ресорта съехали и интернет получше стал, да. Плюс есть надежда на 3G.
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[11:09:35] огыешсук: Тут несколько интернетов в моём ресорте -- есть бесплатный, есть платный, плюс есть телефон с его безлимиткой.
[11:09:39] sakal: ща друзья где-то в этой стране отдыхают, заявили что час инета 200 рублей стоит
[11:09:40] webninja: 256-512 в принципе устроит. для работы то.
[11:09:58] gigimon: webninja: только гоа не индия особо
[11:10:00] gigimon: а туристическая зона (:
[11:10:14] webninja: ну он ездит там по индии
[11:10:19] webninja: в раджастан поедет скоро
[11:10:20] огыешсук: Можно за шесть килорублей провести себе личный ADSL+
[11:10:20] sakal: для работы надо много инета :-\
[11:10:24] webninja: там где гашишь )))
[11:10:42] sakal: огыешсук: по туристической визе на месяц там?
[11:10:43] gigimon: webninja: у меня с работы ездили двое на 3 недели по индии, инета особо нету даже в столце
[11:10:57] огыешсук: sakal: не бывает туристических виз на месяц тут
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[11:11:07] sakal: ну я хз как оно там правильно)
[11:11:14] webninja: а на сколько бывает?
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[11:12:04] огыешсук: webninja: сайты по домикам не рекомендую. Сними себе комнату в отеле на пару дней, а тут на месте выберешь где больше нравится. Уже с февраля снять виллу должно стать не проблема.
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[11:12:59] webninja: ух виллу блин )
[11:13:08] огыешсук: webninja: русским можно без визы на месяц, потом ходить до границы и получать ещё один штампик (не визу!) ещё на месяц, можно получить трёхмесячную турвизу, можно получить годовую учебную визу.
[11:13:17] webninja: ага визаран
[11:13:27] sakal: кошерно
[11:13:33] webninja: до границы далеко с самуи?
[11:13:53] sakal: аэропорт бангкока?
[11:14:00] огыешсук: Да, я на машине в малайзию ездил, заняло три дня на всё.
[11:14:00] webninja: хм а как 3х месячную получить?
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[11:14:12] огыешсук: На самолете заняло бы два дня.
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[11:15:19] огыешсук: В общем, если у тебя красный паспорт, то визой не заморачивайся, прилетай по штампу. Если украинский паспорт, то можно сходить в посольство и получить визу, её в украине легко выдают.
[11:15:33] Septem: Добрый день. Такой вопрос: можно ли получить все обьекты принадлежашие какому то классу ? py3k
[11:16:06] sakal: через globals() и type?
[11:16:26] gigimon: ээ
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[11:17:03] sakal: Septem: ваще плохая идея
[11:17:17] gigimon: Septem: тебе не надо это
[11:17:34] gigimon: Septem: зачем хочешь так делать?
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[11:18:22] Septem: sakal: gigimon у меня поле гексов, каждый гекс это обьект класса, думаю как легче пройтись по всем гексам
[11:18:46] gigimon: Septem: ну эм, при их создании складывать их куда-то в список
[11:18:47] sakal: поле гексов?
[11:18:56] Septem: sakal: ага
[11:19:06] gigimon: либо сделать метакласс, который при создании объекта будет его сохранять куда-то :)
[11:19:12] gigimon: Septem: и да, что такое гекс
[11:19:15] Septem: gigimon: а если их предположим будет очень много ?
[11:19:21] Septem: gigimon: 6 угольник
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[11:19:39] sakal: юзай лист для их хранения
[11:19:48] gigimon: Septem: и в чем проблема?
[11:19:53] sakal: или это принципиально чтоб они были независимыми объектами?
[11:19:56] gigimon: в списке хранятся ссылки
[11:20:16] gigimon: поэтому озу много не займут, процессора точно не займут
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[11:20:24] gigimon: зато проще и быстрее, чем искать по глобалс
[11:20:30] Septem: gigimon: хорошо
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[11:21:53] Septem: ещё момент, есть ли статьи по потокам и процессам в py3k ? кроме офф доков, желательно на русском. Просто всё что гуглится, на английском и/или к 2 версии
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[11:23:42] gigimon: читай оф доку :)
[11:24:00] gigimon: на 3 пока мало кто пишет, поэтому и статей пока мало на русском
[11:24:04] gigimon: на английском уже много
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[11:24:42] Septem: всё для счастья осталось найти автопереводчик с испанского для исходников =)
[11:24:58] webninja: без английского никуда )
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[11:25:35] Septem: а то единственный рабочий алгоритм отслеживание на какой гекс наведенна мышь для pygame я нашёл, но он на испанском
[11:25:37] Darth Лис: всем пинг
[11:25:52] Darth Лис: а кто из питоне с websocket-ами работал?
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[11:30:47] gigimon: Septem: читай же код (:
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[11:31:17] Septem: gigimon: да там все функции, классы, и переменные на испанском сижу как дурак со словарём =)
[11:31:35] gigimon: ы
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[11:31:42] gigimon: тот кто писал красавец)
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[11:36:19] Septem: хм с утра я точно туплю
[11:36:23] Septem: >>> class test:
def _init_(self):
testlist=[]
testlist.append(self)
print (testlist)
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[11:36:45] Septem: даже не печатает
[11:36:51] Septem: пичатает*
[11:37:02] Septem: печатает*
[11:37:19] webninja: __init__
[11:37:38] Septem: оу
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[11:38:07] webninja: __ вся магия начинается
[11:38:09] Septem: магия так как в прошлйо версии были двойные
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[11:51:18] gigimon: Septem: у тебя ничего так не заработает
[11:51:25] gigimon: т.к. твой testlist сложит ровно 1 экземпляр
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[11:52:07] gigimon: тебе надо более глобальный список, в который складывать
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[11:52:24] gigimon: и добавлять проще в __new__ наверно
[11:52:30] MAVr is now Дорогой Дедушка Мороз! Подари мне на Новый Год нового президента, а этих двух забери себе в олени!
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[11:52:55] Septem: gigimon: да уже поправил
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[11:55:56] gigimon: Septem: игру делаешь?
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[11:56:11] Septem: gigimon: так скорее хочу проверить идею, но в целом да
[11:56:47] Septem: а почему __new__ будет лучще?
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[11:58:33] gigimon: потому что __init__ запускается после создания экземпляра, а __new__ создает экземпляр
[11:58:45] Septem: лучше*
[11:58:49] gigimon: впринципе пофиг, работать будет одинаково, но мне кажется логически верным __new__
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[12:01:15] Septem: какого размера куски кода можно так скидывать?
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[12:02:40] sakal: используй dumpz.org и не прогадаешь
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[12:08:46] Septem: gigimon: хм если банально заменить в http://dumpz.org/143733/ init на new то список будет содержать уже не обьект а ссылку на класс
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[12:11:42] aries.ua: Народ, как вы относитесь к синглтонам в питоне? В ПХП я часто применяю их. В питоне это зло или добро?
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[12:12:14] Septem: gigimon: тогда testlist.pop(0).he() уже не возможно, как его формить правильно?
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[12:14:08] tilarids: это почти всегда зло, если можно этого избежать. В любом языке
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[12:19:08] alexander.danilov: Всем доброго морозного утра
[12:19:34] alexander.danilov: Подскажите, если строить SaaS платформу, лучше, чтобы данные каждого клиента были в отдельной базе или в общей?
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[12:23:20] webninja: ни разу не пригодился синглетон
[12:23:43] aries.ua: Сколько пишу на питоне - синглтон еще не нужет был :)
[12:23:59] aries.ua: Но вот подумалось - может стоит рассмотреть его поближе
[12:24:37] sakal: Septem: http://dumpz.org/143740/
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[12:28:01] Septem: sakal: на сколько такой способ вернее?
[12:28:16] sakal: тебе не приходится шаманить внутри класса
[12:28:33] sakal: всю грязную работу выполняет декоратор
[12:29:20] Septem: sakal: а через __new__ возможно?
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[12:36:37] sakal: зачем?
[12:36:53] sakal: тебе нужно уже созданный объект добавить в общий лист
[12:37:03] Septem: sakal: незнаю, просто реализация через декоратор не очевидна
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[12:37:09] sakal: Оо
[12:37:17] sakal: что в ней неочевидного?
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[12:37:36] sakal: добавил декоратор к __init__, объект оказался в общем списке
[12:37:43] sakal: убрал декоратор, объект более не добавляется
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[12:37:56] sakal: а вот шаманить внутри класса - это неочевидно
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[12:39:50] Septem: наверное то что я плохо понимаю декораторы =)
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[12:40:58] Septem: sakal: просто у меня все гексы должны быть в этом списке, и изменять функционал на ходу не требуется
[12:41:16] sakal: в этом прелесть декораторов
[12:41:39] sakal: тебе изменять ничего не требуется, ты просто создаёшь промежуточный слой, который шаманит в существующих условиях
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[12:42:46] sakal: Septem: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/46306/
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[12:42:57] Septem: sakal: уже =)
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[12:43:07] sakal: внизу ссылки
[12:43:54] sakal: Septem: http://vorushin.ru/blog/26-decorators-python/ читай Самый простой декоратор
[12:44:36] sakal: впрочем не читай
[12:44:40] sakal: не самый удачный пример
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[12:45:19] sakal: http://hlabs.spb.ru/news/python_decorators.html более наглядный пример
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[12:48:53] Septem: sakal: интиресно, но плохо понимаемо всё же
[12:49:24] Septem: просто было бы пошагово рассписанно что происходит было бы шикарно
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[12:51:50] Septem: sakal: но твою реализация я понял
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[12:53:05] Septem: class Test(object): - насколько обязательно object ?
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[12:54:42] gigimon: Septem: дык что происходит это ж легко, в декоратор передается как параметры функция и ее параметры
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[12:57:46] sakal: Septem: это new style class
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[12:58:02] sakal: т.е. есть старые и новые классы
[12:58:10] sakal: строго говоря object не обязателен
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[12:58:16] gigimon: в питоне 3 нету старых же
[12:58:22] sakal: а, ну да
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[12:58:31] sakal: /me не пользуется py3k
[12:58:53] Septem: а прмиер старого класса ?
[12:58:55] Septem: пример*
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[12:59:07] gigimon: Septem: тебе не надо
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[12:59:16] gigimon: это в 2 питне без наследования от object
[12:59:31] Septem: gigimon: просто работает и class Test: и class Test():
[12:59:44] gigimon: тогда уж class Test(object)
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[13:00:42] sakal: Septem: ты ваще какие-нибудь книги по python читал?
[13:00:54] sakal: лутца, бизли?
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[13:01:18] sakal: они есть даже на русском и даже есть в магазинах
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[13:01:33] sakal: не говорю уже о том, что их можно скачать в pdf
[13:01:36] gigimon: бизли есть на русском?
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[13:02:22] sakal: gigimon: http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5664775/
[13:02:34] gigimon: прикольно
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[13:03:09] Septem: sakal: я читаю, но в данный момент хочу просто конкректную идею проверить =0
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[13:03:11] Septem: ой
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[13:03:13] Septem: =)
[13:04:21] sakal: Septem: усерднее учи азы
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[13:05:52] Septem: sakal: просто изначально python я исопльзовал(и сейчас порой) как шибко умный калькулятор
[13:06:09] sakal: акстись, еретик!
[13:07:06] Septem: sakal: чтож в этом плохого? как полноценный язык я же его не отвергаю
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[13:08:12] sakal: это всё равно что заявить: я использую английский язык, как источник зарезервированных слов и выражений в с++
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[13:08:24] sakal: но при этом как полноценный язык я его не отвергаю
[13:08:24] Сволота: а надо бы, есть куча более умных калькуляторов
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[13:09:27] Septem: Сволота: так оно
[13:09:32] sakal: import NumPy
[13:10:08] sakal: * import numpy
[13:10:09] Septem: sakal: ну отчасти то его используют как источник
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[13:16:30] Septem: sakal: забавно испанец сделал список для вычисления всех 6 точек, а в другом примере точки расчитываються с помошью генератора
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[13:18:02] Septem: расчитываются*
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[13:23:36] MAVr is now Дорогой Дедушка Мороз! Подари мне на Новый Год нового президента, а этих двух забери себе в олени!
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[13:27:33] neoascetic: рассчитываются* тогда уж
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[13:29:35] Septem: всё надо спать
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[16:03:58] metall1c: а какой из cms на джанге самый правильный? мне как-то говорили, но руки не дошли поглядеть его и забыл название
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[16:05:20] gigimon: их не много годных
[16:05:22] gigimon: django-cms
[16:05:28] gigimon: и еще есть чета
[16:05:30] gigimon: что пилится
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[16:08:47] cutwater: metall1c: самый правильный тот, который ты напишешь сам.
[16:09:13] metall1c: cutwater: да и джангу забыть, тоже свой фреймворк написать
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[16:09:26] cutwater: ну это уже тебе решать
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[16:09:39] огыешсук: доброй ночи
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[16:15:38] metall1c: cutwater: ну я просто юзаю щас django-cms, но его тут все ругают. говорят кривой
[16:15:43] metall1c: я и спрашиваю, какой прямой
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[16:16:07] MAVr is now Дорогой Дедушка Мороз! Подари мне на Новый Год нового президента, а этих двух забери себе в олени!
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[18:51:58] slav0nic: metall1c, цмс - понятие растяжимое
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