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[00:17:13] py_two: silent_bob: монолог крут:)
[00:17:45] py_two: а, ясно. Бот
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[01:07:12] py_two: Скажите, для dual-core процессора на ноутбуке нормальная температура в режиме работы ~53-60 по цельсию ?
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[01:08:31] py_two: сейчас на сайте интела спеку поищу на камень
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[01:12:16] webninja: вроде да
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[01:12:24] webninja: у меня видяха щаз 47
[01:12:42] py_two: webninja: я про камень говорю:)
[01:12:52] webninja: 52 вернее на перфоманс левел 0
[01:13:00] webninja: да разница? камень как и видяха
[01:13:07] webninja: там даже куллер обычно один для них
[01:13:16] webninja: олсо
[01:13:32] webninja: какой у кого ноут? хочу новый ноут, и хочу чтобы линь норм. встал
[01:13:36] webninja: убунта
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[01:17:36] py_two: webninja: а что там может не стать ?
[01:17:58] py_two: тачпад чтоли ?:)
[01:18:34] py_two: графика на vesa работает
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[01:19:26] xa4a: webninja: lenovo
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[01:20:21] xa4a: у них исторически с линуксом всё ок
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[01:21:25] py_two: xa4a: про температуру подскажи:)
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[01:21:30] xa4a: хз
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[01:21:46] xa4a: я никогда не парился по этому поводу)
[01:21:51] py_two: xa4a: меня стремает. На домашней машине стоит кор2дуо, там температура выше 40 не поднимается
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[01:22:10] py_two: xa4a: термопаста могла подсохнуть
[01:22:18] py_two: или хз как там на ноутах
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[01:23:19] levsha: 60 градусов стремает? Странные вы
[01:24:04] py_two: levsha: ну если 53-55 в покое, то есть о чем задуматься
[01:24:06] xa4a: ящитаю, если кулеры сами регулируются в зависимости от нагрузки/температуры, то им виднее
[01:24:07] py_two: быть может
[01:24:32] py_two: xa4a: да мало ли, я же говорю термопаста могла высохнуть там
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[01:25:49] levsha: py_two: о чем же? О том, что температурный режим внутри ноута может отличаться от температурного режима внутри системного блока?
[01:26:00] xa4a: я бы ничего не делал, если бы термопаста высохла..
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[01:26:27] py_two: levsha: меня стремает. На домашней машине стоит кор2дуо, там температура выше 40 не поднимается
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[01:27:04] levsha: py_two: и?
[01:27:21] levsha: py_two: повторить?
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[01:27:31] py_two: levsha: я же говорю, я не в курсе того, какой температурный режим для мобильного камня
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[01:32:34] py_two: levsha: нет, конечно же деградация камня происходит тогда, когда температура выше 100, но все же
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[01:36:46] webninja: xa4a у меня щаз леново тож норм. вроде
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[01:37:30] webninja: но я хочу другой бля взять
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[02:04:59] xa4a: возьми макбук
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[04:03:02] xa4a: кстати, а чем нынче модно хард диски шифровать?
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[04:03:38] xa4a: gnupg же?
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[04:06:09] deepwalker: cryptoloop
[04:06:31] xa4a: макбук, если что
[04:06:45] sakal is now online
[04:07:17] xa4a: а то подписали тут ACTA, хз чо от них ещё ожидать можно
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[04:07:39] deepwalker: больные люди
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[04:25:08] xa4a: хм.. похоже, кроме ilevault встроенного, ничего нет бесплатного
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[04:42:56] webninja: xa4a макбук для пидиков
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[04:43:33] webninja: и на него убунту наверное хуй поставишь
[04:44:17] webninja: я уже не говорю про модные и современные ide вроде emacs или vim
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[07:32:40] r0 is now Да, я здесь.
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[07:44:45] neoascetic: сколько не смотрел скринкастов про vim - в большинстве он как раз стоит на маке
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[08:51:45] webninja: мак от лукавого
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[08:56:45] neoascetic: webninja, ага, от диавола в кедах еще скажи
[08:57:05] webninja: макос сраная копия убунты
[08:57:08] webninja: еее )
[08:57:17] neoascetic: нормально так :)
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[09:19:25] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
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[09:41:50] webninja: мак - гавно, винда - параша, линукс - хой. победа наша! ураааа
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[09:43:32] neoascetic: без фанатизима
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[09:47:23] webninja: блин заливаю с сервера в германии (апач ас вебсервер) на сервер в штатах 64 гига, скорость пиздец 2-4 мегабита
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[09:49:33] neoascetic: webninja, рыбы
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[10:24:11] webninja: чо за рыбы?
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[10:25:04] neoascetic: webninja, ну которые траффик сниффят
[10:25:13] neoascetic: webninja, когда тот через атлантический океан
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[10:45:39] webninja: а это шутка типа )))
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[11:18:58] neoascetic: как Ъ путь для запуска django на amazon ec2 под apache?
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[13:22:34] singularity: | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | а где ссылка ?
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[13:23:19] gigimon: singularity: есть ссылка
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[13:23:26] gigimon: http:// <http://%E2%9E%A1.ws/pep8>➡.ws/pep8
[13:23:40] sakal: singularity: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
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[13:25:07] webninja: pep8 должен знать как отче наш
[13:26:09] webninja: это позволи уверенно смотреть на пхп унтерменьшей как на гавно.
[13:26:14] webninja: *позволит
[13:27:01] Ляпатяпа: на кого?
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[13:35:12] webninja: http://govnokod.ru/4096
[13:35:13] webninja: ну вот
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[13:38:18] neoascetic: а pep8 как поможет говнокода избежать?
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[13:39:13] neoascetic: правильно было бы написать "Правила написания КРАСИВОГО кода". и то неправильно. красивого?
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[13:43:00] webninja: на питоне не бывает гавнокода
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[13:43:48] neoascetic: тю на тебя
[13:43:53] webninja: бывает пишут на пхп используя синтаксис питона.
[13:44:13] neoascetic: http://govnokod.ru/python
[13:44:22] webninja: ваще я не понимаю, как мог такой непродуманный, жалкий ЯП как пхп стать диминантой в вебе?
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[13:44:40] neoascetic: не знаю. я им не пользовался.
[13:44:50] neoascetic: поэтому хз жалкий ли он и непродуманный
[13:44:51] levsha: он в удачное время появился
[13:44:57] webninja: это ересь, просто от зависти пхп программисты пишут программы типа хэллоуворлд на питоне и постят на гавнокод.
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[13:45:16] webninja: ну я чутка щупал канешно его
[13:45:18] webninja: давно
[13:45:44] webninja: когда вообще был не знаком с вебскриптингом. а знакомство с программированием начал с паскаля и дельфи.
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[13:46:50] webninja: дельфи гуд была штука
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[13:47:33] neoascetic: чем?
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[13:48:17] webninja: ну там можно было детей обучать программированию хотябы ))))
[13:48:20] webninja: кстати лол
[13:48:23] webninja: http://govnokod.ru/8824
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[14:34:48] py_two: webninja: так как обучают в универах - нужно потом переучиваться
[14:34:53] py_two: все преподователи лолики еще те
[14:35:02] webninja: да
[14:35:07] webninja: ну не везде
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[14:35:14] webninja: но все равно как правило устаревшее все
[14:35:17] webninja: паскаль си
[14:35:23] webninja: ява
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[14:35:34] webninja: си шарп щаз еще модно
[14:35:51] py_two: си не устаревшее
[14:36:08] webninja: я имею в виду учебные программы сильно отстают от текущих реалий ИТ
[14:36:11] den4ik: python, python - наше всьё!
[14:36:29] xa4a is now away
[14:36:36] webninja: хочу яву еще попозже попробовать осилить.
[14:36:58] webninja: там интересные штуки очень у апач фаундэйшн
[14:37:05] xa4a: учебные программы не рассчитаны на текущие реалии
[14:37:27] xa4a: учебные программы рассчитаны на тренировку обучаемости
[14:37:32] xa4a: и базовые знания
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[14:38:09] xa4a: т.к. если ты сам не учишься, тебе хоть дай текущие реалии - через пару лет они уже не будут отражать современность
[14:38:18] singularity: xa4a: Availability: Unix.
[14:38:23] singularity: os.getloadavg()¶
[14:38:39] singularity: Что оно хоть возвращает?
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[14:38:53] xa4a: In [3]: os.getloadavg()
Out[3]: (0.48095703125, 0.42236328125, 0.35498046875)

[14:39:02] webninja: хм
[14:39:09] webninja: что это?
[14:39:33] singularity: Процеси тормоза
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[14:41:32] singularity: "Итак, проще говоря, числа отражают число блокирующих процессов в очереди на исполнение в определенный временной интервал, а именно 1 минута, 5 минут и 15 минут, соответственно."
http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/linux/71020/
[14:42:28] xa4a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
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[14:46:34] singularity: load avarage средняя нагрузка на процесор
[14:47:06] singularity: Проблемы если больше 1 . Да? типа простой
[14:47:13] xa4a: застой
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[14:53:18] webninja: xa4a на сео форумах ноют про panda, пишут что схем уже почти не осталось по выводу в топ разного говна.
[14:53:42] xa4a: webninja: чоо?
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[14:53:57] xa4a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
[14:54:00] xa4a: не то
[14:54:02] webninja: доры не лезут )
[14:54:03] xa4a: http://youtu.be/X21mJh6j9i4
[14:54:10] xa4a: панда? ^
[14:54:13] webninja: да
[14:54:20] webninja: алгоритм гугла последний
[14:54:33] xa4a: а.. ну я рад за гугл. сео не нужно
[14:54:33] webninja: в прошлом году начали вводить. резко возрос фактор контента.
[14:54:48] webninja: ага
[14:54:56] gigimon: webninja: сеошник?
[14:54:57] webninja: сео негры пойдут на завод
[14:55:00] webninja: бывший
[14:55:01] xa4a: пусть работать идут! заводы стоят!
[14:55:03] py_two: xa4a: в яше вообще вроде ручная проверка сайтов
[14:55:11] py_two: xa4a: по крайней мере слышал такое
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[14:55:38] xa4a: py_two: ручная может много где быть. но в основном, везде автоматика должна быть. сайтов-то не одна сотня тыщ
[14:56:12] py_two: xa4a: ну сделали мб отдел из 50 сотрудников. Они сидять и чекают
[14:56:40] xa4a: в гугле тоже такие есть, вроде
[14:56:45] r0 is now Да, я здесь.
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[14:56:53] py_two: xa4a: я пробывал сео когда-то заниматься
[14:57:02] xa4a: они, наверно, жалобы обрабатывают, что-то такое
[14:57:09] webninja: да
[14:57:11] webninja: абуз тим
[14:57:19] py_two: xa4a: мне не понравилось:)
[14:57:23] xa4a: кстати, они набирают людей)
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[14:58:33] xa4a: кстати, много вакансий нетехнических открыто в т.ч. для русско/украиноязычных
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[15:00:30] xa4a: и да, можно зареферить)
[15:01:32] webninja: корпорация добра
[15:01:33] xa4a: http://www.google.ie/intl/en/jobs/search/index.html#q=ukrainian%7Crussian
[15:01:43] webninja: "но результаты, всё равно СЧ в лучшем случае
надо делать много доров, чтобы по 2-10 уников с дора собирать
Гугл всё равно сука их палит как-то
Сизифов труд"
[15:01:45] webninja: во
[15:02:11] sakal: не терплю сеошников
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[15:02:30] sakal: они пытаются обманывать программы, чтобы обманывать людей
[15:02:39] sakal: прям черти какие-то
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[15:03:41] webninja: ну почему некоторые сайты делают норм.
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[15:04:04] webninja: автоматизацией занимаются, тоже интересно.
[15:04:15] webninja: но таких мало :)
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[15:06:51] webninja: чото какие-то херовые вакнсии у гугла в дублине. xa4a маякни если откроется вакансия уборщика ;-)
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[15:09:19] xa4a: уборщики - контракторы
[15:09:58] xa4a: но русскоязычных тоже много :D
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[15:25:09] tranq: кто-нить пользуется 99lime ? я что-то не могу найти css отвечающий за полоски в таблицах ( stripes ). хотелось бы сделать чтоб были одного цвета вместо полосатости
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[15:28:45] webninja: в хроме глянь через Inspect Element
[15:28:51] webninja: кстати wget поддерживает докачку?
[15:28:58] xa4a: wget -c ?
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[15:29:40] webninja: ага точно
[15:29:53] webninja: 64 гага трансферю через океан с европы в штаты
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[15:30:07] webninja: чото 54 скачалось и отвалился коннект
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[15:30:51] sakal: трансконтинентальный трафик кончился
[15:31:15] webninja: о заработало, отлично
[15:31:53] webninja: 64 гига порно
[15:32:26] sakal: несжатого?
[15:32:33] webninja: flv
[15:32:41] webninja: всего 204
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[15:32:58] webninja: гига на 2х серверах
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[15:33:35] xa4a: проще же торентами перегонть большие куски?
[15:33:59] sakal: проще в tmux запустить и забыть на сутки)
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[15:36:15] py_two: да, торрентами было бы лучше.
[15:36:23] tranq: webninja, спасибо, нашёл!
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[15:38:01] alexander.danilov: привет всем
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[15:40:14] webninja: чо за tmux?
[15:40:27] alexander.danilov: Кто-то работал тут с werkzeug?
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[15:40:57] alexander.danilov: Не получается в local, local_manager положить инстанс и в другом месте его забрать
[15:41:04] alexander.danilov: Есть ли там подводные камни?
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[15:45:35] sakal: webninja: аналог screen - консольный сессионный менеджер
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[15:46:50] webninja: уже посмотрел в гугле. тем не менее спасибо за ответ.
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[15:47:02] xa4a: alexander.danilov: thread-local?
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[15:47:52] alexander.danilov: ага, он самый.
from werkzeug.local import Local, LocalManager

local = Local()
local_manager = LocalManager([local])

создаю, как нужно. кладу туда, например переменную а = 1, тут же её забираю, а её там нет
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[15:48:26] xa4a: ну.. больше кода на paste.in.ua
[15:48:36] xa4a: т.к. я, может, кладу и у меня она есть
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[15:49:52] alexander.danilov: в __init__ приложения кладу переменную, а в диспатчере пытаюсь её забрать.

может её там нет, потому что диспатчер выполняется по запросу, а инит - один раз при загрузке приложения?
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[16:33:21] webninja: кто на нетбуки линь ставил?
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[16:45:57] py_two: webninja: блин, ты уже несколько раз поднимаешь тему относительно линукса
[16:46:00] py_two: бери и ставь
[16:46:13] webninja: у меня стоит
[16:46:16] webninja: на ленове
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[16:47:32] webninja: я читаю форумы там пишут переодически то не встает, это, там глючит. хотелось бы обезопасить себя от этих проблем.
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[16:47:45] MAVr is now Дорогой Дедушка Мороз! Подари мне на Новый Год нового президента, а этих двух забери себе в олени!
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[16:48:09] webninja: про нетбуки первый раз поднял тему
[16:48:13] xa4a: alexander.danilov: может "по запросу" - в другом треде?
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[17:01:36] opka: всем хеллоу
[17:02:11] opka: Делаю такое:
[17:02:14] opka: <form action="" method="post">
<div class="field">
<div>{{ form.subject.errors }}</div>
<label for="id_subject">Subject:</label>
{{ form.subject }}
</div>

[17:02:27] opka: когда ошибка - то мне она ыводится
[17:02:44] opka: а я хочу сделать input цветным, если есть ошибка. делать через css
[17:02:56] opka: <style type="text/css">
ul.errorlist
{
font-family:Arial;
font-size:10px;
padding: 4px 4px 4px 4px;
margin:0 4px 0 4px;
font-weight: bold;
display: block;
background: #fddbdb;
height:auto;
width:160px;
-moz-border-radius-topright: 4px;
-moz-border-radius-topleft: 4px;
border-top-right-radius: 4px;
border-top-left-radius: 4px;
-moz-border-radius-bottomright: 4px;
-moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 4px;
border-bottom-right-radius: 4px;
border-bottom-left-radius: 4px;
}
input.errorlist
{
font: 12px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
padding-left: 2px 5px;
border: 1px solid #ff0000;
background-color: #f00000;
margin-bottom: 6px;
margin-top: 5px;
}

[17:03:19] opka: не канает, хз как разукрасить поле ввода, в случае ошибки в нем :)
[17:03:24] xa4a: !kick opka
[17:03:25] opka: помогите
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[17:03:33] opka: !kick opka
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[17:04:06] xa4a: о, /kick в адиуме работает
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[17:04:35] opka: и все же ж)
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[17:05:32] xa4a: джаваскриптом
[17:05:40] xa4a: а, нет
[17:05:45] xa4a: css selector плюс
[17:05:53] xa4a: E + FMatches any F element immediately preceded by a sibling element E.
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[17:06:25] opka: в примерах есть ul.errorlist { }
[17:06:27] xa4a: E + FMatches any F element immediately preceded by a sibling element E.
[17:06:31] xa4a: E + FMatches any F element immediately preceded by a sibling element E.
[17:06:33] xa4a: щит
[17:06:37] xa4a: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/selector.html#adjacent-selectors
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[17:07:09] xa4a: или это (прийдётся извратиться, чтобы сверстать так инпут, чтобы он после твоего errorlist шёл), или жабоскриптом
[17:07:18] webninja: opka ксс селектор - твой друг.
[17:07:36] webninja: лучше жаваскриптом канешно
[17:07:48] xa4a: ну может какой-то .errorlist + div.label-with-input input { .. }
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[17:09:56] opka: http://mikepk.com/2010/08/python_django_forms_errors_fieldsets/
[17:09:59] opka: нагуглил такое
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[17:47:06] metall1c: всем привет
[17:47:19] metall1c: у меня есть модель, я ее заполняю через админку
[17:47:32] metall1c: мне надо в одно поле перед сохранением внести изменения
[17:47:38] metall1c: вот смотрю пример http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3715103/password-field-in-django-model
[17:47:59] metall1c: но у меня не срабатывает def set_password(self, raw_password):

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[17:51:28] metall1c: либо можно как-то к джанго-админке прикрутить ф-ию, которая будет выполнять изменение данных при отправке?
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[18:28:18] metall1c: еще проще говоря, есть задача: есть таблица с пользователями, надо ее заполнять срадствами админки джанги, как это сделать?
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[18:28:40] metall1c: вот модель http://dumpz.org/147100/
[18:28:59] metall1c: вернее заполняется оно просто, прописал в админке, все ок
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[18:29:03] metall1c: проблема с полем password
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[18:29:30] metall1c: пол беды, что оно показывает, что в нем печатаешь, это ладно, через виджет можно добавить тип поля, что он password
[18:29:45] metall1c: а вот как сделать, чтобы в БД сохранялся не открытый текст, а хеш?
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[18:33:15] MAVr is now Дорогой Дедушка Мороз! Подари мне на Новый Год нового президента, а этих двух забери себе в олени!
[18:33:40] metall1c: неужели никто не решал эту типовую задачу?
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[18:36:05] slav0nic: а глянуть как в админке сделано? банально в save ловить
если для юзеров то User.objects.create_user
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[18:37:38] slav0nic: и сделай свою модель профилем и выкинь нахер все поля которые есть "из коробки"
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[18:51:00] metall1c: slav0nic: я вот и смотрю как в админке сделано, пока не получается
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[18:51:45] xa4a: metall1c: нужно в форме поле "пароль", а в модели - поле "хеш"
[18:52:08] xa4a: то есть называть вещи своими именами. и тогда станет яснее
[18:52:42] metall1c: в модели нет типа "хеш" или я не так понял
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[18:55:22] metall1c: я вот почти слово в слово перекопировал http://dumpz.org/147113/
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[18:55:37] metall1c: из /usr/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/contrib/auth/models.py
[18:56:06] metall1c: ф-ия set_password не срабатывает
[18:56:27] metall1c: slav0nic: а как в сейв ловить?
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[18:56:53] slav0nic: def save()
[18:56:55] slav0nic: доку прочти
[18:57:22] metall1c: что-то не соображу какой раздел?
[18:57:32] metall1c: доку по моделям?
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[18:59:53] metall1c: slav0nic: вроде, получается, save срабатывает, спс
[19:00:29] slav0nic: для начала надо бы всё пролистать
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[19:02:48] metall1c: да я листал, может не 100%, но бОльшую часть
[19:02:58] metall1c: все равно всего столько не запомнишь, что в каком разделе
[19:03:05] metall1c: особенно если кодишь от случая к случаю
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[19:07:13] metall1c: хм, а как же реализовать проверку пароля :)) в смысле двойной ввод
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[19:11:20] slav0nic: бляха возьми django-registration и глянь
[19:11:23] slav0nic: а лучше просто возьми
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[20:35:45] foobarblah: пацаны есть адепты backbone? начал вот играться, с одним json апи. так вот там типа чарт, коллекция постоянно обновляетя причем меняется значения для comparator'а, тоесть каждое обновление ее надо пересортировывать и переренживать, короче пока писал понял что все это руками надо делать, раскатал губу
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[20:39:25] foobarblah: ага ну там есть refresh event, уже лучше
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[20:39:57] foobarblah: есть еще вопросец, но если никто не делал в backbone то не буду терять вермя
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[22:31:10] opka: скажите, как из хтмл шаблона в форму вставить текст?
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[22:31:46] opka: {{ form.name }}
{{ form.name.add.text "blabla" }}
и в input будет блабла
[22:31:47] opka: ?:)
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[22:34:38] opka: Я при ошибке перекрашиваю поле ввода в другой цвет и хочу в него же вывести текст ошибки, ибо по сторонам выводить не красиво :)
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[22:50:34] xa4a: opka: при ошибке в поле должно быть старое значение
[22:50:53] xa4a: а то юзер старался, сочинял тебе, а ты взял да затёр всё
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[23:12:03] opka: xa4a: да, я об этом не подумал как-то %)
[23:12:32] opka: и надо ж было мне это прочитать, когда я уже реализовал то, что хотел %)
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[23:16:22] opka: а скажите, знатоки css. у меня в форме две кнопки-рисунка (отправить и почистить). Если делать вывод ошибки текстом, то эти кнопки смещаются вниз и появляется полоса прокрутки. Я приблизил их максимально так, чтоб при всех выведеных ошибках оно не появлялось. Но выгляит ущербно. МОжно как-то сделать, чтоб эти кнопки мои всегда оставались на одном месте что ли
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[23:17:19] opka: я их размещал так:
.scle
{
float: right;
margin-top: 4px;
margin-right: 32px;
}
вот margin-top двигает их выше-ниже от полей ввода
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[23:19:37] opka: наверное их в отдельный <div> засунуть моджно
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[23:20:29] opka: хотя они и так в диве ж)
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[23:23:31] opka: это только меня туда-сюда выкдывает?
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[23:37:36] xa4a: только тебя
[23:37:52] xa4a: margin-top - отступ от родительского блока-дива
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[23:38:12] xa4a: если у тебя в этом же блоке ещё что-то, что отодвигает твои картинки - ссзб
[23:38:23] xa4a: или position: absolute, или cdjq lbd lkz rfhnbyjr
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[23:38:31] xa4a: свой див для картинок*
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[23:38:48] xa4a: что делает position: absolute я хз, так что просто вынес бы в свой див
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