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[12:11:14] metall1c: все привет, пытаюсь настроить доступ к каталогу static в девелопмент режиме, не получается
[12:11:24] metall1c: голая джанга
[12:11:26] metall1c: дока https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/ref/contrib/staticfiles/
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[12:11:38] metall1c: там написано, что в дебаг режиме должен быть доступ к static
[12:11:55] metall1c: в настройках прописан урл и путь к static
[12:12:00] metall1c: в урлах есть строка urlpatterns += staticfiles_urlpatterns()
[12:12:09] metall1c: но не работает
[12:12:11] metall1c: [03/Feb/2012 11:09:49] "GET /static/test.txt HTTP/1.1" 404 1715
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[12:13:49] metall1c: сервер встроенный (runserver), дебаг включен, что еще надо?
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[12:19:55] webninja: http://progressors.org.ua/articles/4/
[12:20:01] webninja: осталось прочитать
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[12:48:17] metall1c: webninja: эта статья помогла мне понять многие моменты, спасибо
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[13:10:50] aries.ua: Помогите извратится :) Есть модель, в которой есть поле user = models.ForeignKey(User, blank=True, verbose_name=u'Пользователь')
[13:11:21] aries.ua: Требуется записывать значение не только зареганого пользователя, но и гостя. Т.е если гость, то должно записаться 0
[13:11:39] aries.ua: Пока получаю ошибку, может есть способ это сделать?
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[13:24:39] aries.ua: Никто не сталкивался? Идей нет?
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[13:37:17] aries.ua: Спасибо! Уже сделал ранее сам. :)
[13:37:26] aries.ua: Просто вместо NULL хотелось 0
[13:37:37] aries.ua: Ну да будет так :)
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[13:46:07] xa4a: нет, ты очень вряд ли хочешь 0
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[13:49:04] aries.ua: Вряд ли хочешь 0 ты. :D
[13:49:18] aries.ua: Да мастер Йода :D
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[15:05:44] xa4a: почему бы в питоне не разрешить использовать минусы в именах модулей?
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[15:07:07] singularity: Напиши авторам Python мб согласяться
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[15:12:08] xa4a: спасибо за совет, но мне интересно, может сразу есть очевидные недостатки?
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[15:13:00] umi: так а чем имя модуля отличается от любого другого имени?
[15:13:08] umi: ничем
[15:13:13] xa4a: оно только в import бывает
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[15:13:25] xa4a: где по смыслу минусы не могут использоваться
[15:13:36] xa4a: а, действительно, не только
[15:13:45] umi: нет, ты получаешь объект модуля под этим именем
[15:13:47] xa4a: я затупил >_< спасибо
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[15:15:58] Skaledra: дарова мужики =)
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[15:17:02] xa4a: тут не только мужики
[15:17:17] Skaledra: мммм......ну и дамы тогда =)
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[15:18:25] nmk: оу
[15:18:27] nmk: как неожидано
[15:18:36] nmk: *неожиданно
[15:18:42] nmk: дамы. тут.
[15:18:46] Skaledra: для меня это тоже был неслабый нежданчик =)
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[15:23:41] webninja: где дамы?
[15:23:47] webninja: мэджик пони чтоли?
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[15:32:37] Skaledra: блин не кошерно firefox 10 вышел а локализация к нему нет (
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[15:33:55] nmk: ваще пиздец
[15:34:00] nmk: как люди то живут???
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[15:52:22] Skaledra: nmk: это ты о чем
[15:52:33] nmk: без локализации
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[16:29:33] Skaledra: дарова
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[16:34:06] metall1c: есть вот такая формочка http://dumpz.org/149206/
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[16:34:30] metall1c: сформирована из модели User плюс к ней добавлено поле для проверки пароля
[16:34:40] metall1c: password2
[16:35:03] metall1c: есть ф-ия, которой планировал сверять пароли
[16:35:07] metall1c: def clean_password(self):
[16:35:19] metall1c: для теста выбрасываю сообщение при любой ситуации
[16:35:33] metall1c: self.cleaned_data['_имя_поля']
[16:36:01] metall1c: я могу туда вписать любое имя поля из модели и будет отображено сообщение с его содержимым
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[16:36:16] metall1c: но не могу вставить туда password2 (то, что мне и надо)
[16:36:30] metall1c: вылетает с KeyError
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[16:36:58] metall1c: т.е. вопрос, почему в описании формы есть поле password2, но в self.cleaned_data его нет?
[16:37:12] metall1c: или может есть другой способ сверить два поля?
[16:37:20] metall1c: ну кроме JS
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[16:38:20] metall1c: http://imglink.ru/pictures/03-02-12/a0b837a985f6c63d8d289f2d477f19a4.jpg
[16:38:37] metall1c: вот так выглядит форма, надо проверять на идентичность Пароль и Повтор
[16:38:41] Skaledra: я не оч хорошо понимаю в веб кодинге но подбная штука у меня происходила на PyQt когда я писал класс а атрибут класса обьявлял без self.аттрибут
может я конечно дурак...но попробовать то не долго
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[16:40:10] metall1c: не понял, что конкретно попробовать?
[16:40:21] Skaledra: сек
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[16:42:28] Skaledra: class MyWin(QtGui.QWidget):
def __init__(self,parent=None):
QtGui.QWidget.__init__(self,parent)
self.butclose = QtGui.QPushButton("Закрыть")
вот последняя строчка кнопочка но перед именем переменной стоит self.
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class AddUserForm(forms.ModelForm):
password2 = forms.CharField(max_length=128, label="Повтор", widget = forms.PasswordInput)
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а у passwd2 не стоит просто обьявлена.....
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[16:44:02] metall1c: не :) падает name 'self' is not defined
[16:44:15] Skaledra: http://wiki.python.org/moin/KeyError
[16:44:28] Skaledra: тогда может это натолкнет тебя на мсль
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[16:45:11] Skaledra: просто я больше ничем помоч не могу к сожалению
[16:45:21] Skaledra: сам еще деревенский додон
[16:45:23] Skaledra: =)))
[16:46:32] metall1c: нагуглил stackoverflow.com/questions/2229039/django-modelform-with-extra-fields
[16:46:41] metall1c: так получилось self.data['password2']
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[16:47:01] Skaledra: =) гут
[16:47:11] metall1c: ага
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[16:47:31] metall1c: блин, столько классов, связей, всяих приблуд в джанге, сразу не сообразишь
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[16:47:45] Skaledra: у меня с PyQt та же фигня
[16:48:00] Skaledra: пока часа 2 не пострадаешь над кодом не сообразишь в чем дело
[16:48:13] webninja: блин а чо все так активно PyQt юзают?
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[16:48:15] webninja: зачем?
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[16:49:30] metall1c: ну лучшая граф. библиотека, а какая альтернатива?
[16:51:09] Skaledra: ну я ее использую не тока как графич библиотеку =)
[16:51:15] Skaledra: та еще куча всего
[16:51:30] webninja: это понятно. я имею в виду чо делаете на кутэ?
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[16:52:14] Skaledra: вообще цель научиться писать полноценные приложение в том числе и с графикой =)
[16:52:28] webninja: а
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[16:52:49] Skaledra: а на счет альтернативы вот например gajim написано под pyGTK
[16:53:17] webninja: я знаю один джентельмен дорген модный на кутэ запилил. десктопный.
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[16:53:38] Skaledra: что такое дорген
[16:53:45] огыешсук: спам
[16:53:48] Skaledra: аааа =)
[16:53:51] огыешсук: ужасть
[16:53:53] огыешсук: педерастия
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[16:53:57] Skaledra: ыыыы
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[16:54:55] Skaledra: а так вот пайтон мне оч нравиться....на работе приходиться писать по VBA :'-(
[16:55:09] Skaledra: вот где педерастия
[16:55:22] webninja: http://rushter.com/2010/r-dorgen-3-x/#more-773
[16:55:26] webninja: во
[16:55:55] webninja: Быстрая генерация(1000 страниц ~15-30 секунд, с морфологией – 40-90сек).
[16:56:03] Skaledra: ахринеть
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[16:56:49] Skaledra: если он все это соло писал то остаеться тока снять шляпу перед ним
[16:57:01] webninja: да, соло
[16:57:29] webninja: ну норм. таск чо. и кутэ осилил и там походу еще много чего.
[16:57:31] Skaledra: а ведь он мог написать что-то полезное.....вот как растрачиваютсья таланты стран СНГ
[16:57:33] Skaledra: =)))
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[16:58:18] огыешсук: всё одно это голимый спамер, а спамеров надо убивать при возможности, а шляпы снимать уже постфактум
[16:58:19] webninja: как правило поднимают денег и начинают делать что-то полезное
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[16:58:25] webninja: как aviasales.ru
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[16:58:56] огыешсук: aviasales.ru это, кстати, вроде ж тайский проект?
[16:59:04] webninja: да, в тае базируются
[16:59:14] Skaledra: огыешсук: убивать я хз.....спорная пререгитива....уж лучше направить его талант в нужное русло....
такие вещи пишут не от хорошей жизни...
[16:59:31] огыешсук: от внутренней педерастии их пишут
[16:59:36] огыешсук: насмотрелся я тут на сеошников
[16:59:38] umi: ггг
[16:59:40] webninja: где?
[16:59:56] webninja: у тебя там неправильные сеошники )
[17:00:24] огыешсук: как они гугл обманывают, точно так и окружающих пытаются, ресорт вон обманули на кучу бабла, тот теперь русских бояться начал из за этих мудаков
[17:00:39] webninja: хех ) свиньи
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[17:01:34] Skaledra: огыешсук: по моему ты слишком категоричен =)
спам это конечно плохо.....всем он нам надоел....но вот знаешь я живу в россии и главный спамер который меня достал это "Почта РФ"
ящик в подьезде просто усераеться от спама и тут уже не поставишь антиспам фильтр....
вот с чем нужно бороться
[17:01:45] огыешсук: ещё пример -- как они свалили отсуда, так интернет заработал, а то всё лежал не иначе под их торрентокачалками
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[17:02:03] webninja: да это свиньи там у тебя какие-то были ) позорные.
[17:02:09] metall1c: http://dumpz.org/149219/ работает :))
[17:02:21] огыешсук: Skaledra: у меня нет проблем с почтой рф, а вот с гуглоспамом и почтоспамом проблемы есть
[17:02:48] Skaledra: metall1c: рад за тебя =)
[17:02:53] metall1c: :)
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[17:03:24] Skaledra: metall1c: когда мои руки доберуться до джанго я буду просить у тебя помощи =)
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[17:03:28] webninja: это как движитель эволюции ) вся эта тема заставляет поисковикам эффективно разрабатывать новые алгоритмы. а поисковый спам, я хз я не вижу, только если какие-то конкретные тематики в которых как правило ИТ спецам делать нехуй.
[17:03:36] webninja: всякий порн
[17:03:37] metall1c: Skaledra: я сам новичек
[17:03:38] webninja: фарма
[17:03:45] webninja: варез
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[17:04:14] Skaledra: webninja: не ну ты на порно то не гони лошадей :-D
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[17:04:47] metall1c: ктстати, как можно сделать некоторые поля не обязательными только при редактировании в админке?
[17:04:58] webninja: в жанге?
[17:05:01] metall1c: да
[17:05:01] Skaledra: metall1c: нет лучшего подспорья для обучения новичка чем второй такой же новичек ;)
[17:05:21] webninja: blank=True?
[17:05:21] metall1c: Skaledra: ну если чем смогу помочь - я не против :)
[17:05:31] огыешсук: порно эт не спам, это производительный труд, а спам -- деструктивный, ну чисто "эти суки мусорят на моей лесничной площадке".
[17:05:36] metall1c: если указать, что они blan=True, то при добавлении оно тоже будет не обязательным?
[17:06:25] Skaledra: огыешсук: они это делают только потому что им за это платят....=)
лучше убери тех кто платит
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[17:06:42] огыешсук: ну, гугл старается
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[17:06:56] webninja: ты имеешь в виду мылспам?
[17:07:51] metall1c: webninja: попробовал - понятное дело, поле становится не обязательным, но при добавлении новых записей - тоже
[17:07:52] огыешсук: но я не согласен что нужно убирать только нанимателей, уродов-исполнителей убирать тоже нужно, ибо они уже не смогут нормальным бизнесом заниматься, всегда будут искать путь как всех своих партнёров обмануть
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[17:08:49] Skaledra: ладно мужики давайте закончим холивар на эту тему....всеравно не придем к единому мнению =) а модераторы нас выгонят за оффтопик
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[17:09:03] webninja: да ну ты что ) вон авиасалес работает норм. куча народу в бизнесе опять же первые бабки подняли на всяких мутных схемах с гуглом. не у всех канешно получается, но у многих. идейных злодеев мало )
[17:09:16] webninja: огыешсук а ты чем занимаешься если не секрет?
[17:09:21] огыешсук: не веру, что люди меняются
[17:09:39] огыешсук: если человек себя замарал в спаме, то это на всю жизнь
[17:10:00] огыешсук: приличный чел в говно не полезет
[17:10:21] Skaledra: так мужики я щас начну карать парсингом в глубь и рекурсией если вы не прекратите =)
[17:10:54] огыешсук: webninja: пишу сайтики для гугла ;) А ты, полагаю, благородный -спа- сеошнег?
[17:11:04] webninja: не )
[17:11:36] Skaledra: а я работаю на нефтепромысловом заводе.....делаем оборудование для добычи и транспортировки =)
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[17:12:09] webninja: я простой программист бггг. раньше занимался да. но поднадоело. тоже сайты делаю для гугла ) по честному.
[17:12:25] огыешсук: э! я не такие сайты делаю!
[17:12:39] webninja: ну я норм. сайты делаю полезные людям.
[17:12:57] webninja: и парсингом еще занимаюсь
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[17:13:32] огыешсук: под "для гугла" имел в виду не "полезные людям, индексируемые гуглом", но "полезные гуглу, нигде не индексируемые, ясное дело"
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[17:14:06] webninja: я в конце 2010 начал заниматься программированием
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[17:14:19] webninja: чото нифига не понял как так ) полезные гуглу но нигде не индексируемые
[17:14:33] Skaledra: webninja: а парсинг с помощью DOM в глубь с помощью рекурсии делаеться да же? или есть проще методы
[17:14:34] огыешсук: ну, гугл мне за это деньги платед
[17:15:04] webninja: ммм я хз lxml использую, он строит DOM и там по нему xpathом ползаю
[17:15:07] огыешсук: и сайты юзает, для своих внутренних таинственных нужд
[17:15:22] webninja: хм. ты тоже в гугле работаешь?
[17:15:27] огыешсук: как бы
[17:15:54] Skaledra: webninja: т.е. ты чистым DOM никогда не пользовался?
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[17:17:10] огыешсук: но скорее не "в", а "на", нюанс, да
[17:17:37] огыешсук: но это всё не суть важно, работа она почти везде одна и та же и её много
[17:18:03] webninja: как понять чистым ДоМ, перед тем как его использовать его должен кто-то построить ) есть 2а метода вроде SAX и то что lxml делает или bsoup
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[17:19:12] огыешсук: это я к тому, что человеку с программерским скиллом жаловаться на "я в преступники от того пошел, что у меня велосипеда не было" это херня какая то
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[17:19:33] огыешсук: webninja: есть sax -- поточный парсер, и dom -- объектный, всё
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[17:21:13] metall1c: ну так что, нет идей, как разрешить полю быть пустым при редактировании в админке?
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[17:24:06] огыешсук: webninja: это модели работы, а уж какими либами сии модели имплеменчены, это не суть важно, многие либы умеют и то и другое
[17:24:09] Skaledra: webninja: ну я это как понимаю есть 2 метода парсинга DOM и SAX
библой QtXml держаться оба метода
библиотека lxml я так полагаю работает основываясь на медоте DOM
[17:24:16] Skaledra: или я что-то не ерно понимаю?
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[17:26:06] огыешсук: sax геморройный, зато шустрый когда на больших объёмах надо что-то мелкое и цельноплоское найти. dom прост и достаточно быстр на мелких доках, типа страничек.
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[17:26:36] огыешсук: если ты не знаешь про что это, юзай dom не ошибёшься
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[17:27:10] Skaledra: я понимаю о чем это =)
и как бы выбрал DOM он для моих целей больше подходит
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[17:27:58] Skaledra: вот вчера написал по простейшую xml раобрал ее
но там был всего 1 уровень вложенности а когда их несколько то рекурсию применять или есть методы уже какието....вот что я хочу узнать
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[17:29:29] огыешсук: Задача какая решается?
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[17:31:06] Skaledra: задача.....будет прога которая должна сохранить данные в виде иерархической структуры
и считывать их
я счел xml неплохим решнием для этой задачи и вот вчера считал простую структуру с 1 уровнем вложенности...понимания ради....теперь хочу понять как считать более сложную с несколькими уровнями воженности
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[17:33:19] огыешсук: "будет прога которая должна сохранить данные в виде иерархической структуры и считывать их" это канцелярит какой то а не задача. Школьная лаба что ли, безсмысленная и безпощадная?
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[17:34:02] Skaledra: вы мне помоч хотите или тролите меня?
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[17:35:34] огыешсук: Структуры, вложенности, xml решение, бррр!
В твоей формулировке лаба решается импортом модуля маршаллизации. А уж чем именно сериализировать данные это абсолютно пофиг, хоть yaml.
[17:36:05] Skaledra: опустим флейм и вернемся к вопросу
[17:36:11] Skaledra: вы не против
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[17:37:06] Skaledra: просто если вы не хотите или не можите помочь мне я лучше пойду qt-doc читать
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[17:37:47] levsha: мы прямо уже в строй выстроили помогать
[17:38:11] levsha: пятница таки какая-то совсем капец. Практически на всех каналах ...
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[17:41:35] webninja: scrapy как то гомосексуально дом например строит, очень долго там у них походу врапперы свои вокруг лхмл которые жудко тормозят.
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[17:42:31] огыешсук: зачем его использовать? lxml/requests наше всё же! Ну на крайняк можно ещё mechanize заюзать.
[17:43:07] огыешсук: и запустить в десять потоков на новеньком сервере с 6 терабайтами диска и 32 гига памяти за 50 евро в месяц ;)
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[17:43:39] webninja: lorien написал охренительный фрэймворк для парсинга
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[17:43:46] webninja: асинхронный
[17:43:52] webninja: ну можно и потоками
[17:44:00] огыешсук: смотрел, но пока не понял нужно ли оно мне, мне проще своё иметь
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[17:44:28] Александр: Joes, тута?
[17:45:01] Skaledra: в статусе написано что тута =)
[17:45:02] Joes: тута
[17:45:07] Joes: ась?
[17:45:22] Александр: ты же автор tornadio2?
[17:45:24] Joes: угу
[17:45:48] Александр: слушай, читал доку, но как получить querystring параметры
[17:45:49] огыешсук: кстати, лориен вроде тоже сюда собирался, если не передумал или зима не понравилась
[17:45:51] webninja: огыешсук это где такой серве за 50 евро??
[17:46:01] огыешсук: на hz
[17:46:02] Joes: они передаются в on_open
[17:46:30] webninja: да, он зимой собирался чото перегорел. может и подъедит.
[17:46:47] Joes: но в socket.io есть бага - http://tornadio2.readthedocs.org/en/latest/bugs/#query-string-parameters
[17:46:59] Александр: /endpoint
def on_open(self, info, **kwargs)
[17:47:01] огыешсук: http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s
[17:47:02] Joes: параметры будут только для главного соединения
[17:47:04] webninja: в grab тоже lxml используется.
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[17:48:00] Александр: собственно они в kwargs собираются?
[17:48:18] Joes: нет.
[17:48:25] Joes: в request.arguments
[17:48:33] Joes: там еще есть request.cookies, request.ip
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[17:48:56] Александр: да вот что-то request.arguments пустой оказался
[17:48:59] Joes: http://tornadio2.readthedocs.org/en/latest/mod_conn/#tornadio2.conn.SocketConnection.on_open
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[17:49:20] webninja: на хетц еще за сетам 150 евро )
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[17:49:38] огыешсук: ну да, школоту отсекает, это он правильно
[17:49:39] Joes: если пусто, значит multiplexed соединение и бага как написано выше
[17:49:40] webninja: у меня там дедик, но уже старый года 2а. я там суммарно уже года 3и арендую сервер.
[17:49:50] Joes: лучше в приват.
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[18:15:28] webninja: огыешсук я до хеца какое-то время keyweb юзал, потом настроил впн, хопа то один сайт не грузится то другой. думаю чо за срань. начал разбирваться а там ипы этого ДЦ в блэклистах за спам. FUUUUUUUUUUU т.е. сайты тоже не везде было видно.
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[18:16:48] огыешсук: вот-вот, а не будь 120 евро входного порога, на хетзнер тоже всякое сеошьё б полезло из своих интернатов толпами и засрали б все IP там
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[18:17:25] огыешсук: впрочем, hz время от времени эти 120 евро отменяет, да, можно заловить момент, это обычно раз в год бывает
[18:18:05] webninja: хец еще абузит сам подозрительную активность.
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[18:19:23] webninja: сеошье там кстати сайты то и держит нормальные ) хец этож народная марка. для спама есть лизвебы всякие и кейвебы.
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[18:19:53] webninja: но щаз спам ваще не тащит гугл умнеет.
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[19:35:42] singularity: я забыл пароль от lastpass
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[19:36:00] singularity: сгенерированый им же
[19:36:15] Skaledra: это прискорбно
[19:36:26] singularity: А что делать ?
[19:36:42] singularity: у меня везде такие пароли
[19:36:42] xa4a: записывать на мониторе
[19:37:00] Skaledra: яхз я пользуюсь keepassx чтобы не забывать пароли
[19:37:17] Skaledra: потому что они у меня все генерированные
[19:37:49] singularity: У меня также причем настройки на макс
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[19:39:43] Skaledra: мужик в такой ситуации я могу тока посочувствовать
Information technology (IT) professionals fall into one of two categories:
those who have already experienced a significant data loss, and those who will.
[19:39:54] erraen is now online
[19:40:10] Skaledra: зато теперь ты во второй категории =)
[19:40:21] Skaledra: всмысле в первой
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[19:44:32] singularity: А keepass хранит пароли у меня ?
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[19:50:16] Skaledra: эммм....keepassx это прога которая по сути база паролей защищенная твоим собственным паролем и хеш файлом
поставь научись юзать и пользуйся....сделай копии хешей на внешние носители до которых никто не сможет добраться.
например у меня 2 копии хеша, 1 на флешке с коробином котоая всегда висит на джинсах, вторая на флешке в сейфе
в базе все мои пароли которые генерированные, не зная моего пароля на базу и не владея хешем открыть ее оч трудно
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[19:51:43] Skaledra: а по поводу утренных паролей.....проще всего будет забить на них и запомнить этот неприятный опыт
[19:52:55] Skaledra: кстати бакап базы должен быть обязательно!!!!
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[19:53:04] singularity: "на флешке с коробином котоая всегда висит на джинсах, вторая на флешке в сейфе"
ты параноик :-D
[19:53:51] Skaledra: я не параноик.....просто есть пароли которые нельзя забывать и которы связаны с моей финансовой деятельностью
[19:54:42] Typhon: http://xkcd.com/936/
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[19:56:01] Skaledra: ахренительно )
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[19:57:59] singularity: Так и зделаю
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[20:02:13] singularity: Хотя кому нада мои пароли,
Last pass просто удобная штука - наверно установлю обратно с мастер пасом 1111
[20:02:43] Skaledra: О_о я щас культурный шок испытал
[20:02:55] Skaledra: ну да ладно лело твое
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[20:07:25] singularity: Культурный шок следствие не зная правил грамматики ? :)
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[20:09:09] singularity: *мое не знания
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[20:10:24] xa4a: :X
[20:10:32] xa4a: а смысле, в виме
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[20:12:20] Skaledra: singularity: в жизни человека есть 2 типа ошибок, хорошие и плохие. хорошая ошибка это та какотрая тебя чему-то научила, плохая та которую ты проигнорировал.
Я в шоке от того что такая фатальная ошибка тебя ничему не научила.
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[20:14:45] singularity: Моя ошибка в том что я поставил сложный пароль нигде не сохранив , а в подсказке нафичал много букв
[20:15:22] singularity: Что будет если я забуду пароль от keepas ? тоже самое
[20:15:43] singularity: проблема моя, а не сервиса
[20:15:46] xa4a: а зачем тогда keypass нужен?
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[20:16:58] Skaledra: поставь на keepassx такой пароль который ты не забудеш пример тебе привел Typhon
[20:17:33] xa4a: или используй текстовый файл с ROT13 шифрованием
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[20:18:04] Skaledra: вот видишь и меня и xa4a жизнь научила =)))))
[20:18:10] singularity: А чем хуже LastPass ?
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[20:18:28] xa4a: тем, что если забудешь как расшифровать - прийдёшь сюда и мы тебе напомним
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[20:19:22] xa4a: .. если зашифруешь в rot13. а если lastpass забудешь - ссзб
[20:19:48] singularity: "ссзб " Что это ?
[20:19:55] xa4a: !g ссзб
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[20:24:48] singularity: А у гугла картинка постоянно одна и таже ?
[20:25:15] Skaledra: у меня у одного ощущение что нас тонко тролят ><
[20:25:34] xa4a: картинка?
[20:26:08] xa4a: у гугла много картинок
[20:28:16] sakal is now online
[20:29:52] mishok13 is now online
[20:30:44] Skaledra is now Python it's like a Monty Python =)
PyQt!....what next quest?


Интеллект - это способность избежать выполнения работы, но, тем не менее, сделать так, чтобы она была выполнена. © Линус Торвальдс
[20:31:42] singularity: я про их лого..
[20:32:10] Tony is now online
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[20:36:25] singularity: почему у меня ник голубого цвета ? Это немного меня оскорбляет
[20:37:26] singularity: У всех так ?
[20:38:07] nott is now away
[20:38:20] sakal: цвета локально зависят от настроек клиента
[20:38:21] sakal is now online
[20:42:25] pc_ is now online
[20:42:41] singularity: Чей сервис dumpz.org ?

[20:43:23] sakal is now online
[20:43:35] Александр is now online
[20:43:55] singularity: почему проверка email-а не регистронезависимая ?

[20:48:21] singularity: Singularity@gmail.com принимает , а sinGuLarity@gmail.com уже нет
[20:48:24] sakal is now online
[20:49:01] nott is now online
[20:52:23] xa4a: singularity: справа-снизу есть ссылка на автора
[20:53:15] Сволота is now online
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[20:54:57] singularity: я думал ето сервис ково нибудь з учасников , еслт тут стоит линк
[20:55:02] py_two is now online
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[21:03:37] xa4a: участник больше тут не появляется
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[21:09:03] singularity: Припустим сгенерировал пароль для ssh прт помощи keepass ввел и сохранил , а в keepasse не нажал SAVE и у меня вырубился свет . прощай пароль или нет ?
[21:09:56] xa4a: пароль для ssh??
[21:10:04] xa4a: пара ключей же
[21:10:48] singularity: я не знаю просто пароль который трудно востоновить или не возможно
[21:11:26] xa4a: я не понял, что ты сказал
[21:11:45] xa4a: тебе паролей сгенерировать?
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[21:12:11] sakal is now online
[21:12:53] xa4a: je*OH~z7\)j2
[21:12:57] xa4a: держи
[21:13:09] singularity: Где пароли храняться в портабле keepass? в Database.kdb ?
[21:13:26] xa4a: никто не знает, т.к. никто не польуется им
[21:13:43] singularity: а чем ?
[21:13:47] Александр is now online
[21:13:54] xa4a: для ssh - ключами
[21:14:14] singularity: забудь
[21:14:53] py_two is now xa
[21:15:53] sakal: таки да, для ssh много удобнее юзать ключи
[21:17:13] sakal is now online
[21:20:40] Skaledra is now Python it's like a Monty Python =)
PyQt!....what next quest?


Интеллект - это способность избежать выполнения работы, но, тем не менее, сделать так, чтобы она была выполнена. © Линус Торвальдс
[21:21:02] aries.ua is now online
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[21:21:15] aries.ua is now online
[21:22:16] sakal is now online
[21:23:20] alexey-grom is now dnd
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[21:27:18] sakal is now online
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[21:28:26] bobry is now online
[21:29:47] py_two: singularity: я пользуюсь
[21:29:50] py_two: архиудобная вещь
[21:30:04] py_two: Database.kdb да, тут он все хранит
[21:30:24] py_two: xa4a: кипассикс хорошая вещь
[21:30:31] py_two: xa4a: лучшая
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[21:33:25] singularity: py_two: ты много перепробывал ?
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[23:13:58] livevil is now ♫ [01] - A New Life -
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[23:33:25] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
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