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[11:15:51] ix: где можно найти конвертор физических величин на питоне?
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[11:20:48] gigimon: ix: например?
[11:21:54] ix: gigimon: нужен простейший пример. например есть поле ввода, выпадающие списки с выбором величин
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[11:22:19] gigimon: ну для начала ты хочешь готовую софтварь или либу7
[11:22:24] gigimon: и какие тебе величины переводить
[11:22:56] gigimon: да и большинство величин переводятся в пару действий
[11:22:58] gigimon: сам напиши
[11:23:06] ix: какие величины не важно. желательно какуюнибуть готовую прогу.
[11:23:15] ix: немного не получается
[11:23:34] mishok13: ненмого?
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[11:27:37] ix: mishok13: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=13099 вот тут давно писал
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[11:31:54] mishok13: у меня ссылка не открывается
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[13:20:23] mishok13: /me пошел сидеть на реддите
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[13:29:02] aries.ua: Народ, кто в джанге работал с потоками? Собственно задача такова. Есть view в котором происходит обработка. Основные данные формируются мгновенно и отправляются в браузер. Но теперь добавлена кой какая работа с файлами, а так же отправка на емаил писем (юзеру, админу, менеджеру). И вот это внесло тормоза. Вот думаю можно ли это выкинуть в отдельный процесс?
[13:29:36] mishok13: для таких вещей придуманы task queues
[13:29:41] mishok13: Celery например
[13:29:54] mishok13: а треды не надо, проблем потом не оберешься
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[13:38:31] aries.ua: нда... что-то Celery как-то великоват для простой задачи... Как из пушки по воробьям
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[13:40:30] cutwater: aries.ua: возьмм zeromq например
[13:40:35] cutwater: тебе хватит
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[14:18:52] aries.ua: Сделал на обычных потоках - все супер :) отдача контента клиенту за доли секунды, остальное в потоке :)
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[14:54:03] cutwater: aries.ua: хреновое решение
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[14:54:44] cutwater: aries.ua: покажи код. весьма вероятно ты напорешься на скрытые проблемы.
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[14:55:10] cutwater: мдя...
[14:57:03] webninja: какой стыд
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[14:59:54] cutwater: webninja: вот мне было интересно, подтвердятся ли мои догадки, по поводу того что он на каждый запрос создает по потоку
[15:00:12] webninja: кто?
[15:00:20] cutwater: webninja: ну aries.ua
[15:00:23] webninja: а
[15:00:29] webninja: ну походу да
[15:01:22] webninja: селери есть для таких вещей
[15:01:29] webninja: ну или пусть сам очередь какую организует
[15:01:48] cutwater: ну я упорный ненавистник celery
[15:02:05] cutwater: хотя как наиболее простое решение сойдет
[15:02:16] webninja: например можно в бд писать ) а потом отдельным процессом который будет кронов вызываться раз в 15 сек например, выполнять этот шит ))))
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[15:02:33] webninja: отличное решение
[15:02:35] webninja: буллет пруф
[15:02:37] webninja: я считаю
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[15:02:57] cutwater: ну собстна мы так и делаем в нашей системе
[15:03:02] cutwater: у нас все очереди заменяет база
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[15:03:07] cutwater: правда тут тоже свои есть особенности
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[15:06:29] webninja: блин мне вот нужно linkedin пропарсить а там какой-то хитрый замут ) боты уходят в бесконечный редирект. браузер показывает 200 OK, а боту сует 302 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[15:06:58] webninja: чтож за сволочи это делали
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[15:09:52] cutwater: :-)
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[15:12:44] xa4a: если до 1млн запросов в сутки, то по потоку на запрос - тоже сойдёт как простое решение
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[15:15:16] cutwater: xa4a: я бы сказал это очень сильно зависит от времени жизни потока
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[15:16:02] aries.ua: Если бы мне нужен был крон или очередь я бы использовал предложенные решения. Но мне надо было просто увеличить скорость обработки для конкретного пользователя
[15:16:46] aries.ua: Т.е основная обработка - основной поток, второй поток - это отправка данных, формирование инфы, которое может и в фоне отработать.
[15:17:27] cutwater: aries.ua: ну если ты умный и у тебя их всего два и ты используешь очередь для обработки задач, то такое решение вполне сойдет
[15:17:30] aries.ua: а клиенту сходу вернется результат, что все ок. За поток волноваться не стоит, прежде чем он запустится происходит куча проверок данных
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[15:17:53] cutwater: aries.ua: а если ты их плодишь целую кучу, то тогда у меня для тебя плохие новости
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[15:18:00] aries.ua: Я не умный :(
[15:18:05] aries.ua: А потока у меня всего два
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[15:18:31] aries.ua: Если бы была очередь из N-го количества - тогда вы полностью правы
[15:18:57] webninja: юзай целери будь мужиком, блеать
[15:19:42] aries.ua: :-D
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[15:20:22] aries.ua: хорошо хорошо, сейчас прикручу. Но ИМХО это из пушки по хомячкам :D
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[16:27:14] gigimon: aries.ua: ты не прав, celery достаточно легкий
[16:27:38] gigimon: aries.ua: к тому же, тебе ничего не мешает написать своего маленького демона и работать через zmq или базу джанги
[16:28:00] aries.ua: ты прав :)
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[16:28:10] gigimon: да и есть пара приложений для мелких задач, типа твоей (раз в 5 минут запускать потоки через manage.py и делать таски)
[16:28:26] gigimon: я просто недавно этим парился
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[16:28:38] gigimon: celery - простейшее и наверно одно из правильных решений
[16:28:46] gigimon: да и задачи у меня были тяжелые (часами работать)
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[18:55:05] slav0nic: вордпресс гении писали
SELECT comment_ID FROM wp_comments WHERE comment_post_ID = '991' AND ( comment_author = 'autoparkbox' OR comment_author_email = 'autoparkb@gmail.com' ) AND comment_content = 'Оказываем помощь при регистрации транспорта для организаций в ГАИ и МРЭО' LIMIT 1;
случайно запрос увидел %)
[18:55:28] webninja: да там алярм
[18:56:03] webninja: многие пхп движки даже популярные написаны оч. криво
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[18:56:42] xa4a: это у них орм такой?
[18:56:46] slav0nic: ну делаеть условие такое это надо быть студентом первого курса пту
[18:56:48] slav0nic: да врядли
[18:56:55] xa4a: который про ключи не знает
[18:57:12] slav0nic: там и джоины без индексов
[18:57:14] xa4a: эгм..
[18:57:17] slav0nic: но то таке
[18:57:20] xa4a: подождите..
[18:57:25] xa4a: а что этот запрос делает?
[18:57:30] xa4a: какой юз-кейз? Ооо
[18:57:50] slav0nic: хз но в слоу логе оно есть)
[18:58:07] webninja: блин вы еще не видели код некоторых социалок ) там где в скуэль запросах частично логика реализуется
[18:58:08] xa4a: зачем выбирать ид комента по ид поста и тексту комента? Оо
[18:58:16] webninja: а сами эти запросы разбросанны по коду там сям )))
[18:58:20] xa4a: разве что парсер какой-то
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[19:04:46] gigimon: пхп же!
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[19:05:29] slav0nic: webninja, ну логика то такое) в банках 90% логики в базе лежит) тут процедуры по 1к строк, правда местами тихий пиздец)
[19:05:40] slav0nic: один гений создал комплекс с 5к триггеров)
[19:06:02] gigimon: хуя
[19:06:13] webninja: ух жостко )
[19:06:21] slav0nic: некоторым вложенности процедур не хватает (максимум по-моему 16)
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[19:06:43] slav0nic: ну и таблицы с 100+ полями норм
[19:06:53] slav0nic: в реляционках
[19:07:13] slav0nic: хотя в том чё я админю - это не проблема)
[19:08:50] webninja: ох жесть )
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[19:09:10] webninja: 100 полей йооопт. и никакого орма тебе, да?
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[19:10:26] webninja: современная рафинированная питон ителлигенция ваще без орма не может
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[19:14:32] aries.ua: Та ну ладно :) Я вот только ОРМ и начал юзать в джанге. Хотя если что-то посерьезнее надо будет вытащить - прямой скуль :)
А до этого только чистые запросы :)
В PHP я не видел нормальных ОРМ, которые бы мне нравились :)
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[19:15:18] webninja: доктрин там есть. я посмотрел и мягко говоря офигел. после данги и алхимии это ваще канешно ни в какие ворота не лезет.
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[19:16:11] slav0nic: webninja, в базах где данные хранятся не построчно, а по колонкам 100 строк не страшно, ат ак да, пиздец
[19:16:26] slav0nic: особенно если это не мелкие байтные флаги и тп
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[19:18:52] webninja: да жостко канешно. еще и ответственность в банках этих навеняка адская.
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[19:19:29] webninja: а как там транзакции строятся?
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[19:26:23] zunkree: slav0nic: Oracle? На какой платформе?
[19:26:40] slav0nic: sybase
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[19:49:48] aries.ua: Как бы я не любил Микрософт, но работать с ихним скулем было поприятнее чем с постгресом или мускулем :)
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[19:56:34] levsha: что же там такого приятного было?
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[19:57:46] aries.ua: удобно :)
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[20:00:09] levsha: хорошо. ЧТО же там такого удобного было?
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[20:01:00] levsha: у меня от MSSQL остались только одни впечатления: пока не нашел клиент, который более-менее вменяемо давал возможность просто рисовать запросы и видеть результат, работать с ним было невозможно
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[20:04:17] aries.ua: не знаю, мне IDE нравилась, да и как-то поудобнее всего того что другие предлагают
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[20:04:37] xa4a: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61095
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[20:05:22] levsha: мне IDE никогда не нравилось. Нормальный commandline интерфейс удобнее
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[20:07:32] aries.ua: угу а мышка ваще зло :D
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[20:58:31] xa4a: продолжая тему последнего линка: $ echo '<?php define("dead",-0x1fbe); printf("%x",0x00+dead); ?>' | php ; echo
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[23:39:04] gigimon: блин
[23:39:10] gigimon: похоже cherokke умер :)
[23:39:12] gigimon: :(
[23:39:19] webninja: кто это?
[23:39:46] webninja: энивэй, мир праху его
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[23:59:44] gigimon: webninja: веб-сервер няшный
[23:59:55] webninja: был