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[00:12:23] py_two: посоветуйте движок поковырять небольшой. Можно обычный сайт с коммуникацией пользователей и с интернационализацией
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[00:37:37] py_two: я смотрел движки на сайте дьянги
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[00:37:59] py_two: все они написаны хз кем и там нет интернализации
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[00:38:11] aries.ua: напиши свою :)
[00:38:11] py_two: только инглишь или французкий
[00:38:22] py_two: aries.ua: нужен для анализа двиг
[00:38:31] py_two: чтобы посмотреть как люди пишут
[00:38:45] aries.ua: все коменты должны быть на английском :)
[00:39:00] aries.ua: А лучшие комменты - это код :)
[00:39:11] aries.ua: А лучший код - это буквы
[00:39:19] aries.ua: А лучши буквы это цифры
[00:39:37] aries.ua: А лучшие цифры в банке
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[00:39:42] py_two: aries.ua: ты запутался
[00:39:46] aries.ua: И вообще я наверное пойду спать
[00:40:22] aries.ua: /me устал и пошел спать, а то вдруг понял, что несет херню
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[01:09:04] deepwalker: py_two, что такое движок?
[01:09:07] deepwalker: движок чего?
[01:09:52] py_two: deepwalker: сайты, написаные с помощью django
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[01:12:21] gigimon: py_two: открой гитзаб
[01:12:23] gigimon: и введи blog
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[01:17:39] deepwalker: да не, py_two правильно обрисовал проблему - если хочется прям pretty кода, то такой метод не сработает :)
[01:18:05] py_two: deepwalker: мне нужна интернализация
[01:18:13] deepwalker: ааа
[01:18:34] py_two: если лепить проект, то лепить его правильно надо
[01:18:40] py_two: изначально
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[01:24:03] deepwalker: ну пиши везде {% trans %} :)
[01:24:18] deepwalker: как дойдут руки соберешь строки и переведешь на нужные языки
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[04:15:06] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[04:49:38] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[18:36:26] opka: хай. у кого-то есть пример того, как использовать урллиб(2) отправит серверу файл?
[18:36:32] opka: ПОСТом
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[18:40:51] огыешсук: use requests luke
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[18:41:57] opka: мне надо файл перекодировать, urlencode не хочет
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[18:42:20] opka: вместо <? должны стать %3С%3А
[18:42:24] opka: 3f
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[18:44:33] cutwater: opka: охоспади. читай документацию
[18:44:54] opka: ok ;)
[18:45:24] cutwater: opka: urllib.quote
[18:45:54] opka: не поверите, только вот на стаоверфлоу открыл :)
[18:46:24] cutwater: opka: а всего то стоило загуглить
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[18:47:42] opka: тогда пока вы здесь, а что если у меня &lt;?php надо конвернуть?
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[18:47:59] opka: я сделал так: сперва &lt; в <, а потом уже в квоту эту совать
[18:48:07] opka: можно ли без промежуточных перекодировок?
[18:48:34] mrDoctorWho.: &lt;
xml.unescape
[18:48:48] mrDoctorWho.: или чё-то подобное
[18:48:50] mrDoctorWho.: не помню
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[18:49:13] opka: beautifulsoup не конвертит почему-то %)) пришлось делать свой вариант с табличкой
[18:49:52] xa4a: с чего это "<? должны стать %3С%3А" &
[18:49:54] xa4a: если постом
[18:50:12] xa4a: %3C%3A - это ж не зря называется urlencode
[18:50:16] xa4a: чтобы в урл класть
[18:50:18] opka: потому что я снифал браузер и он передает так
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[18:50:37] xa4a: это если Content-type: x-www-form-urlencoded
[18:50:43] opka: да
[18:50:48] xa4a: а ты передавай multipart/form-data
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[18:50:48] opka: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
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[18:51:03] xa4a: ну и вообще
[18:51:08] xa4a: урллиб сам всё сделает же
[18:51:16] xa4a: ты ему просто передаёшь аргумент data
[18:51:25] opka: я не силен в теории, но если в браузере так, то можно ли делать отсебятину:)?
[18:51:27] xa4a: !pydoc urllib2.Request
[18:51:35] xa4a: data=None
[18:51:46] xa4a: туда любую байтосторку совать можно
[18:52:01] xa4a: оно само закодирует как надо
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[18:52:40] xa4a: в твоём случае не любую, а такую, как ты хочешь получить на сервере, после того, как сервер тоже всё арскодирует как надо ;)
[18:52:45] opka: я не силен в теории, но если в браузере так, то можно ли делать отсебятину:)?
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[18:52:55] xa4a: я тебе ещё раз говорю
[18:53:08] xa4a: если ты в браузере напишешь в форме multipart то будет тоже так же
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[18:53:21] cutwater: о кстате, я ведь не увидел саму задачу выше
[18:53:36] cutwater: тогда да, opka таки читай теорию и передавай файл в data
[18:53:39] xa4a: opka: добавь в форму enctype="multipart/form-data"
[18:53:44] xa4a: и посмотри, как будет в браузере
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[18:54:07] opka: я не могу ничего менят ьв форме
[18:54:08] xa4a: (если форма чужая, то не говори, что не можешь добавить"
[18:54:14] xa4a: файрбаг же!
[18:54:14] cutwater: :-D
[18:54:19] cutwater: xa4a: экстрасенс же
[18:54:25] xa4a: я тренируюсь
[18:54:30] xa4a: opka: ашкуигп
[18:54:33] xa4a: firebug
[18:54:37] opka: фаерфокс не юзаю %)
[18:54:43] xa4a: chrome dev tools
[18:54:48] xa4a: только не говори, что опера ;)
[18:55:09] opka: и хром...
[18:55:10] opka: ОПЕРА! %))
[18:55:23] opka: а снифаю Fiddler-ом
[18:55:47] cutwater: xa4a: не везет тебе с пациентом
[18:56:10] xa4a: opka: под оперу тоже что-то была
[18:56:12] xa4a: была
[18:56:14] xa4a: было*
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[18:56:28] xa4a: ну короче. оперу выкинь
[18:56:39] xa4a: если не знаешь, как ей пользоваться
[18:56:46] cutwater: даже если знаешь все равно выкинь
[18:56:48] cutwater: опера говно
[18:56:51] Tony: опера
[18:56:58] Tony: это правда кто-то еще юзает?
[18:57:10] cutwater: ну да, у себя на андроиде
[18:57:20] xa4a: зачем? есть же хром
[18:57:25] opka: что вы так накинулись то на оперу
[18:57:29] cutwater: xa4a: да о_О
[18:57:36] opka: хром о тебе все данные шлет гуглу
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[18:57:56] xa4a: opka: объяснили же. возьми и в броузере поменяй форму. в фф это сделает файрбаг, в хроме - дев тулз. в опере - никто не знает, как сделать
[18:58:03] xa4a: cutwater: да
[18:58:12] cutwater: полез в маркет
[18:58:13] xa4a: (или это был ещё секрет, гхм)
[18:58:16] xa4a: opka: нет
[18:58:35] opka: xa4a: я погуглил и ищу аналог фаербага для нормального браузера
[18:58:38] opka: т.е. для оперы
[18:58:41] xa4a: ок
[18:58:47] огыешсук: на мобильниках причём теперь реальный хром пускается, не андроид-броузер что был раньше
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[18:59:10] Сволота: тут есть пользователи андроида?
[18:59:15] Сволота: буду знать
[18:59:20] xa4a: cutwater: http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/android/
[18:59:29] огыешсук: а что отсылает данные гуглу это удобно -- можно на мобильнике продолжить читать те табы, что были ранее открыты на ноутбуке
[19:00:24] cutwater: я на десктопе не пользуюсь хромом
[19:00:27] cutwater: only Firefox
[19:00:46] xa4a: я тоже :(
[19:00:49] Сволота: firefox хорош для отладки
[19:00:55] огыешсук: ff жутко тормозен в плане js
[19:00:56] xa4a: хром лучше
[19:01:00] xa4a: для отладки
[19:01:04] Сволота: в этом плане поудобей хрома
[19:01:16] xa4a: чем?
[19:01:36] xa4a: единственное, что меня держит в фф - pentadactyl. для хрома так ничего полноценного и не допилили ещё :(
[19:01:42] cutwater: xa4a: пока в хроме не появятся вертикальные табы я туда не ногой
[19:01:42] огыешсук: у меня перед глазами пример когда хром страничку рендерит мгновенно, а фф тормозит и предлагает прибить долго работающие скрипты
[19:02:11] cutwater: xa4a: и кстати хром только для Android 4.0 же
[19:02:29] Сволота: ну дык V8
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[19:02:53] огыешсук: ну дык, а у кого то ещё андроид не обновился до 4 версии?
[19:02:57] Сволота: а Qt на андроидах есть?
[19:03:03] cutwater: огыешсук: а должен был?
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[19:03:45] огыешсук: наверное, у меня на планшете обновился с 3.2.1 на 4.0.3, а телефон до 4.0.2 почему то
[19:04:00] cutwater: у меня все еже 2.3.3 на HTC Desire S
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[19:04:05] cutwater: А планшета не имею
[19:04:20] cutwater: официальная прошивка все дела
[19:04:44] Сволота: а писать проги под андроид не имея андроида реально?
[19:04:57] cutwater: эм... ну есть же эмуляторы
[19:04:58] огыешсук: нереально
[19:05:05] cutwater: но они тебе не позволяют многого
[19:05:09] opka: купи андроид и носи зарядное с собой %)
[19:05:10] огыешсук: они тормозят
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[19:05:16] cutwater: и это правда
[19:05:29] Сволота: cutwater: посоветуй какой поудобнее
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[19:05:55] огыешсук: cutwater: от htc у меня тоже был андроид, обновился сам с 2.1 до 2.2, потом до 2.3, потом до 2.3.6, потом я купил новый
[19:06:14] Сволота: значит таки придётся обзавестись новым телефоном
[19:07:12] Сволота: а ведь телефона за 10$ вполне хватет на всё что надо
[19:07:18] opka: берите айфон
[19:07:26] Сволота: для остального есть ноут
[19:07:43] Сволота: на айфоне есть андроид?
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[19:08:06] gigimon: а зачем тебе андроид?
[19:08:06] Tony: ставил вроде ктото
[19:09:05] Сволота: предложили сделать прогу под андроид
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[19:09:49] огыешсук: телефона за 10$ не хватает на всё что надо, разумеется
[19:09:57] огыешсук: не звонить же по нему, в самом деле
[19:10:29] Сволота: мне уже посоветовали использовать phonegap, но на всякий случай присматриваю и другие варианты
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[19:11:01] Сволота: /me с телефона звонит и принимае СМС рассылки
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[19:12:50] xa4a: если что - galaxy nexus
[19:12:55] огыешсук: /me телефоном пользуется часами каждый день, звонит при этом не каждую неделю
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[19:13:37] огыешсук: xa4a: причём не первой ревизии
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[19:14:08] xa4a: есть разные ревизии?
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[19:22:28] levsha: огыешсук: hts desire нихрена не обновляется до 4.0 . И не будет. Так что не надо про всех, которые уже на 4.0
[19:22:51] levsha: /me пользуется часами для того, чтобы смотреть время, а не телефоном
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[19:25:18] xa4a: levsha: а в angry birds nоже на часах?
[19:25:22] xa4a: *тоже
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[19:27:56] огыешсук: что, даже ни почты, ни календаря, ни скайпа?
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[19:28:07] levsha: огыешсук: почта, календарь, скайп
[19:28:17] levsha: но время на часах, а не на телефоне :)
[19:28:42] огыешсук: по моему, ручные часы это просто понты
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[19:29:00] levsha: я бы сказал "и понты тоже"
[19:29:07] levsha: куда ж в наше время без понтов
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[19:29:19] огыешсук: да много куда
[19:29:19] opka: да, я идел чела с патеком филиппе, который ехал в тролейбусе
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[19:30:00] levsha: ну я тоже иногда в троллейбусе езжу :)
[19:30:31] opka: просто филипе этот стоит столько .что можно купить депо тролейбусное
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[19:30:57] science: всем привет
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[19:32:18] science: сорри, у меня еще тупнячек, только начал пайтон учить, не могу сэкранировать никак или передать, чтобы зохавал шелл такую конструкцию:>> call(["cat", "/home/roman/test.txt", "| wgetpaste"])
[19:32:34] science: до этого был from subprocess import call
[19:32:37] science: как положено
[19:32:40] nmk: opka: ну, китайская реплика?
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[19:33:06] science: как экранируется "|", .. r"" не прокатывает
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[19:34:39] science: wgetpaste это просто сервис пасты, короче оно должно: cat + файл с пути + | передать на пасту
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[19:35:30] science: подскажите пожалуйста где я натупил
[19:36:01] Сволота: как ручные часы могут быть понтами? o_O
[19:37:23] огыешсук: как они могут быть чем то иным?
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[19:38:43] Сволота: ручные часы - признак отсталости
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[19:40:07] nmk: Сволота: мне вот нравятся наручные часы. и ношу я их. и время на них смотрю.
[19:40:12] nmk: я совсем отсталый?
[19:40:48] science: nmk, часы бинарные или с циферблатом для отсталых?
[19:41:21] nmk: обычные, электронные
[19:41:45] огыешсук: совсем, часы ж обычно не способны подсосать твоё расписание с напоминалками из календаря, например, а иначе зачем они нужны? чем полезна функция "московское время 12 часов"?
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[19:42:21] nmk: бывает просто надо узнать, что сейчас 12 часов. ;)
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[19:43:11] огыешсук: с какой целью?
[19:43:11] nmk: часы не надо заряжать так часто, как надо заряжать телефон. часы не боятся воды. часы не боятся падать, ударяться.
[19:43:30] xa4a: science: это вряд ли возможно
[19:43:31] nmk: ну что ты трололо то включаешь :) смотрю рассписание автобуса, смотрю на часы.
[19:43:45] xa4a: science: тебе надо запустить два subprocess и связать их трубами
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[19:43:57] xa4a: nmk: расписание автобуса в телефоне же тоже
[19:43:59] огыешсук: обычно часы висят рядом с расписанием автобуса
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[19:44:07] nmk: xa4a: ха-ха.
[19:44:09] xa4a: огыешсук: в телефоне
[19:44:19] nmk: огыешсук: еще одно ха-ха
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[19:44:48] science: xa4a, жесть, до этого еще не дочитал, ок, буду курить
[19:45:00] science: спасибо, всем добра и весны, братюни
[19:45:02] огыешсук: да и время вполне нормально "просто знаешь", нет реальной нужды уточнять какая именно сейчас идёт минута
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[19:45:36] огыешсук: nmk: как я понимаю, ты сверяешь время с расписанием автобуса по нестолько раз на дню?
[19:46:03] огыешсук: надо полагать, расписание это часто меняется, да?
[19:46:04] nmk: да это выдуманный случай. мне намного удобнее посмотреть на руку, чем искать в кармане/рюкзаке телефон
[19:46:31] огыешсук: мне вообще почти никогда не надо "знать время", вот и удивляюсь зачем такая штука людям
[19:46:34] xa4a: у нас вот такие почти все остановки: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38016434@N05/5448791919/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[19:46:49] огыешсук: вот расписание с напоминалками иногда нужно, но часы тут не помощник ни разу
[19:46:55] nmk: xa4a: ну ты ж ирландец :)
[19:47:25] xa4a: я часы использую, чтобы на завтрак не опаздывать. но в телефоне, да
[19:47:35] огыешсук: xa4a: вот-вот, о чём я и говорю, часы и так есть рядом с уличным расписанием
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[19:48:42] nmk: огыешсук: я тебе говорю, что смотрю на часах время. ты мне говоришь, что часы бесполезны потому, что нету напоминалок, синхронизации, бла-бла-бла. не очень как-то.
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[19:49:49] nmk: на телефоне я кстати время тоже смотрю. когда он в руках.
[19:50:15] огыешсук: nmk: ну а я отвечаю, что "смотреть время" это из разряда "смотреть телек". Совершенно неконструктивная, машинальная, воспитанная с детства и ныне почти повсеместно утраченная поведенческая модель.
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[19:52:32] nmk: значит я не прогрессивный и у меня мало дел. я совсем не пользуюсь каким-либо календарем кроме как для понимания какое сегодня число.
[19:53:08] nmk: часы, кстати число говорят ;)
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[19:53:25] nmk: часы сложнее проебать :)
[19:54:10] огыешсук: телек тоже не все решаются выкинуть
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[19:55:14] nmk: огыешсук: его можно использовать как большой экран. еще приставку к нему можно подключать. эфирное телевидение лучше конечно не смотреть.
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[20:44:00] opka: товарищи, мне ПОСТом надо передать такую штуку (снифер показывает): mem[]=1024&task=clean
[20:44:27] opka: urllib.urlencode мне из mem[] делает mem%5B%5D
[20:45:13] opka: как-то можно это обойти ?:)
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[20:51:35] xa4a: прочитай логи
[20:52:04] xa4a: ^ во-первых
[20:52:23] xa4a: а во-вторых, чем тебе mem%5B%5D не угодило?
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[20:59:22] opka: ааа всё
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[20:59:37] opka: xa4a, спасибо за помощь, раздуплился со всем :))
[20:59:44] opka: cutwater и тебе респект!
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[21:36:57] Tony: __init__() takes at least 2 arguments (2 given)
[21:37:05] Tony: я ебанулся
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[21:40:52] xa4a: :)
[21:40:54] xa4a: фотошоп!
[21:41:22] xa4a: пруф, или не было!
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[21:46:11] xa4a: Tony: ^
[21:46:26] Tony: щас скину
[21:47:58] Tony: http://ompldr.org/vY3d0aA
[21:48:33] Tony: forms.ModelMultipleChoiceField(choices=HowHeard, required=False) # вот код
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[21:50:16] огыешсук: а в HowHeard чего?
[21:50:21] Tony: модель
[21:50:23] Tony: класс модели
[21:50:31] Tony: по идее ошибка надо queryset передавать
[21:50:42] Tony: вот если передаешь queryset=HowHeard.objects.all() то все ок
[21:50:49] Tony: но ошибка пиздец наркоманская выходит
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[21:52:20] огыешсук: choices должно ж быть массивом туплов
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[21:55:34] xa4a: огыешсук: видмо, не в _Model_ChoiceField
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[21:56:15] огыешсук: пофиг где
[21:56:56] огыешсук: у Tony ж там вместо списка туплов класс, вот питоноджанге башню и снесло
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[21:57:42] Tony: огыешсук, да понятно, но ошибка то охуительная
[21:58:18] огыешсук: ты её может глубже прокопаешь? без джанги как нибудь воспроизвести?
[21:58:50] Tony: тикет закрою покопаю, интересная хренька
[21:59:47] огыешсук: угу
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[23:48:06] py_two: нет, всетаки дебиан стейбл унылый и для десктопа не подходит
[23:50:15] py_two: боролся только что ставил на фаерфокс 3,0,5 плагины которые мне нужны
[23:50:38] py_two: найтли там поставид, подменил юзерагента и вперед
[23:50:49] py_two: адблок+ пришлось из дебиан репы ставить
[23:51:01] py_two: потому что новый не работал с оффсайта
[23:51:18] py_two: далее поставил сессион манагер, он отказался работать:)
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[23:53:53] py_two: gigimon: да-да;)
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