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[10:17:55] alexey-grom: это починят вообще, знает кто?
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[11:56:15] singularity: Нет, я уже зарегистрировался . Проблема пропала или она осталась у тебя
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[14:07:16] mrDoctorWho.: люди! есть какая-нибудь нехитрая либа или функция в gtk, чтобы определять раскладку клавиатуры?
[14:07:21] mrDoctorWho.: для GNU/Linux
[14:07:32] mrDoctorWho.: на питоне, разумеется.
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[14:16:29] mishok13: dbus
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[14:17:14] mishok13: вообще ты заебешься определять что используется для переключения раскладки
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[14:18:39] mrDoctorWho.: мне только определения, какая используется сейчас
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[14:20:02] mishok13: ну вот как ты думаешь какая часть системы за это отвечает?
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[14:20:42] mrDoctorWho.: без понятия, честно. Хотя, насчёт dbus было предположение.
[14:20:56] Сволота: можно запилить собственную переключалку раскладок и впилить её в прогу
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[14:41:45] mishok13: mrDoctorWho., можешь разве что попробовать gnome-session-properties
[14:41:55] mrDoctorWho.: у меня xfce
[14:41:59] mishok13: а так — смотри в код существующих переключалок
[14:42:13] mishok13: у xfce же есть индикатор раскладки на панельке?
[14:42:33] mishok13: посмотри в код этого апплета
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[14:42:49] singularity: Ты о исходниках линукса ?
[14:42:58] mrDoctorWho.: юзал xneur. Ставил апплет на панель xfce, но разве он на питоне?
[14:43:15] mrDoctorWho.: имею в виду стандартный апплет для панели xfce
[14:43:38] mishok13: ну если тебе хочется на питоне, то удачи
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[15:10:13] xa4a: но посмотреть исходники всё-равно полезно
[15:10:24] xa4a: биндинги ж на питоне под множество гуишных библиотек есть
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[16:04:06] mishok13: singularity, и при чем здесь питон?:
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[16:12:43] Septem: Добрый день, можно или статью или пример с организацией переменной флага для потоков?
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[16:13:35] Septem: конкректно хочется сделать так что бы потоки работали до тех пор пока некая переменая верна, как только она не верна они это сами замечали и завершались
[16:15:06] Сволота: может пусть за переменной следит стронний поток и завершает эти потоки?
[16:15:28] Septem: Сволота: потоки же нельзя завершать снаружи
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[16:16:12] Septem: сейчас 2 потока (кроме основного) один необходим для изменения переменой второй выполняетнеобходимое
[16:16:13] Сволота: ну я с питонопотоками не имел дела, так что предположил такую возможность
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[16:17:36] Septem: Сволота: всё ещё забавнее потоки вообще нельзя убить снаружи по нормальному
[16:17:52] Septem: я не понимаю как создать переменную флаг обшую
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[16:27:18] Martin: добрый день. self как первый параметр у методов - обязателен же всегда, даже не смотря на то, что он для галочки?
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[16:28:50] mishok13: Septem, http://docs.python.org/library/threading#event-objects
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[16:29:07] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/library/threading#condition-objects еще
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[16:29:19] mishok13: Martin, что значит для галочки?
[16:29:48] Martin: mishok13: Цитита: Как говорит автор языка Гвидо Ван Россум, это не более чем соглашение: имя self не имеет абсолютно никакого специального значения.
[16:30:00] alex-bulgakov: имя
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[16:30:10] mishok13: ну называть ты можешь как угодно
[16:30:12] alex-bulgakov: то есть ты его можешь обзывать как угодно
[16:30:17] alex-bulgakov: но использовать надо
[16:30:41] Martin: а, вот в каком плане)
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[16:33:07] Martin: и еще вопросик на счет фрейма Flask. там есть встроенный веб сервер, но стоит ли его использовать в продакшене как бэкенд (фронт - nginx)? вообще сейчас раскуриваю tornado для веба.
[16:33:55] Septem: mishok13: а есть примеры? я это читал но скрить немогу
[16:34:01] Septem: понять*
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[16:36:06] mishok13: Septem, слыхал про новый сервис — гугл?
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[16:36:57] Martin: Septem: стекоферлоу ком - хороший ресурс кстати, если знаешь англ)
[16:37:06] Septem: mishok13: мне на нужно убивать поток снаружи
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[16:37:38] alex-bulgakov: Martin: да там у большинства знание английского на минимальном уровне, так что сильно знать не нужно что бы понять то что пишут
[16:37:42] alex-bulgakov: а так вопросик задать да
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[16:37:49] alex-bulgakov: там шустро и верно отвечают
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[16:38:00] alex-bulgakov: щас его клонов развелось
[16:38:03] alex-bulgakov: и русских тоже
[16:38:11] alex-bulgakov: на волне попрулярности
[16:38:15] mishok13: Septem, там вполне себе состоятельный пример использования Event
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[16:39:08] xa4a: SIGALRM ещё может или как он там
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[16:39:57] mishok13: xa4a, SIGALRM убьет тред, оп просто хочет пример использования Event
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[16:40:08] xa4a: аок.
[16:40:09] Martin: alex-bulgakov: ну если не все даже гуглить умеют...
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[16:40:29] Martin: а русские мне не понравились: аудитория меньше
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[16:40:47] alex-bulgakov: ну да
[16:40:51] Septem: mishok13: как я понимаю здесь потоку надо будет передать сигнал остановки, мне же хотелось что бы поток сам смотрел за этим сигналом
[16:40:55] Martin: за сутки не получил ответа, хотя на оригинале всегда в течении нескольких часов точно
[16:41:19] mishok13: ты неправильно понимаешь
[16:41:21] alex-bulgakov: ну а в irc python на freenode более динамичное просто общение
[16:41:55] Septem: mishok13: а как тогда правельно?
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[16:42:15] mishok13: правильно писать "правильно" через И
[16:42:30] mishok13: а пример на стековерфлоу отвечает на твой вопрос
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[16:43:48] Septem: mishok13: In this code, you should call stop() on the thread when you want it to exit и что я не так понял?
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[16:44:22] mishok13: The thread itself has to check
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[16:44:28] mishok13: что делает stopped?
[16:44:34] mishok13: проверяет сука event object
[16:44:48] mishok13: а теперь представь себе что у каждого треда есть ссылка не event
[16:44:49] webninja: а чо там на фриноде много толпы? там вроде на канали просто туча народу и постоянный скроллинг
[16:44:59] webninja: я там пару вопросов как-то задавал но сидеть там это АД
[16:45:00] mishok13: *на event
[16:45:22] mishok13: и вместо stop() ты можешь сделать event.set()
[16:45:39] Septem: mishok13: event один для всех потоков?
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[16:46:57] xa4a: потоки что-тоделают в цикле, как реакцию на внешние сигналы?
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[16:47:30] Septem: xa4a: нет
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[16:48:48] xa4a: а какого плана работу выполняют потоки?
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[16:49:40] Septem: xa4a: один отрисовывает картинку второй следит за клавишей выхода
[16:49:57] xa4a: как отрисовывает картинку?
[16:50:08] xa4a: периодически? в ответ на действия какие-то?
[16:50:12] Septem: xa4a: pygame банальной флипит
[16:50:24] Septem: xa4a: просто циклом обновляет и всё
[16:50:43] xa4a: оукей. в чём проблема передать потоку флаг за которым следить?
[16:50:47] xa4a: даже без ивентов
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[16:50:59] Septem: xa4a: вот я хочу понять как такой флаг передать из одного потока в другой
[16:51:24] Septem: xa4a: вообщем то я пришёл как раз узнать как это сделать а эвенты мне не нужный сейчас
[16:51:35] xa4a: в главном потоке, например drawer = DrawerThread(); killer = KillerThread(drawer=drawer)
[16:51:53] xa4a: где KillerThread.__init__(self, drawer): self.drawer = drawer
[16:52:05] xa4a: и когда надо убить, делает self.drawer.kill = True
[16:52:15] xa4a: а Drawer() соотв в цикле проверяет self.kill
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[16:52:39] Septem: xa4a: а так что бы у всех потоков был один обший флаг ?
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[16:53:19] xa4a: знадо упаковать флаг в какой-то контейнер
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[16:53:37] xa4a: например в отдельный класс
[16:53:43] xa4a: назвать его, например хм.. Event
[16:53:50] xa4a: ну как бы..
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[16:53:55] xa4a: у тебя в коде нет sleep() ?
[16:54:00] Septem: xa4a: нет
[16:54:04] xa4a: ок
[16:54:07] Septem: xa4a: то есть банально переменной управлять не получится?
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[16:54:36] Septem: я думла банальной сделать while run и если надо ставить run в нужное значение
[16:54:58] Septem: но изнутри одного потока у меня не вышло управлят run для всех
[16:54:59] xa4a: получится
[16:55:19] xa4a: ну есть же разные варианты
[16:55:25] xa4a: а) хранить список потоков
[16:55:32] xa4a: проверять while self.run
[16:55:42] xa4a: а когда убивать - for t in drawers: t.run = False
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[16:56:21] xa4a: или упаковать один флаг в контейнер. killall = [False]; в тредах while not self.killall[0]; и чтобы убивать, соответственно killall[0] = True
[16:56:33] xa4a: но во втором варианте лучше всё-таки ивент
[16:56:35] xa4a: красивее
[16:56:42] xa4a: killall = threadig.Event()
[16:56:57] xa4a: Drawer1(kill=killall), Drawer2(kill=killalll)
[16:57:07] xa4a: while not self.kill.is_set(): do ....
[16:57:12] xa4a: чтобы убить - killall.set()
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[16:57:33] Septem: xa4a: жаль что банально не сделать ну и ладно
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[16:57:40] xa4a: почему не можешь?
[16:57:40] xa4a: можешь
[16:57:44] Septem: xa4a: ?
[16:57:45] xa4a: ну сделай банально-глобально
[16:57:54] xa4a: глобальную переменную killall
[16:57:58] xa4a: в чём проблема-то?
[16:58:01] xa4a: почему не можешь?
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[16:58:04] xa4a: просто это некрасиво
[16:58:04] Septem: xa4a: пробовал не работает
[16:58:17] Septem: был такой вариант два потока а и б
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[16:58:22] Septem: а просто пишет ааааа
[16:58:28] Septem: б ссчитает до 100
[16:58:39] Septem: оба работают через while run
[16:58:46] Septem: run глобальный
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[16:59:01] Septem: б когда досчитает ставить кгт=0
[16:59:03] Septem: run=0
[16:59:07] Septem: run = 0
[16:59:16] Septem: и это неработает
[16:59:22] Septem: а не перестаёт работать
[16:59:32] xa4a: код в стуюдию
[16:59:34] xa4a: что не работает
[16:59:46] xa4a: в студию - на paste.in.ua, очевидно
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[17:02:12] Septem: xa4a: http://paste.in.ua/3976/
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[17:02:32] Septem: тут с косяком
[17:02:41] Septem: в функции б иск не обьявлен
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[17:03:28] xa4a: напиши global run
[17:03:33] xa4a: в начале ф-ии b
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[17:06:08] Septem: xa4a: так работает
[17:06:13] Septem: но с run
[17:06:16] Septem: с глобал
[17:06:22] Septem: а не хочется исопльзовать его
[17:06:23] Septem: эх
[17:07:15] xa4a: http://paste.in.ua/3977/
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[17:09:56] Septem: xa4a: так лучще
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[17:10:13] Septem: кстати что global не работает при вызове функции из другого фаила?
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[17:28:37] xa4a: Septem: ты что-то делал не так
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[17:28:46] Septem: ага
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[17:38:45] Septem: xa4a: всё я окончательно туплю
[17:39:11] Septem: мне надо реализовать работу с фалгом внутри функции которая передаётся в поток
[17:39:21] xa4a: и чо?
[17:40:19] xa4a: что значит передать функцию в поток?
[17:40:37] Septem: xa4a: ну смотри у меня 2 функции
[17:40:41] Septem: первая обновляет экран
[17:40:49] Septem: вторая работает с данными с клавиатуры
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[17:41:14] xa4a: ну
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[17:41:31] xa4a: ты же мою ссылку выше видел?
[17:41:33] Septem: при определёном значении она должна установить флаг в нужное положение
[17:41:41] Septem: видел но у тебя функция прямо в классе
[17:42:24] xa4a: это методы называется, но что с этого?
[17:42:41] xa4a: ты слышал про ООП?
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[17:42:45] xa4a: зачем нужны объекты?
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[17:43:03] Septem: ох
[17:43:11] xa4a: объекты нужны, чтобы хранить состояние
[17:43:18] xa4a: тво флаг - состояние объекта
[17:43:25] Septem: я расчитывал сделать спец класс для потоков которому передовать функцию
[17:43:30] xa4a: ок
[17:43:31] Septem: которую надо запустить в потоке
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[17:43:36] xa4a: оок
[17:43:50] xa4a: ну так пусть твой спец класс и проверяет флаг
[17:43:57] xa4a: а функция выполняет работу один раз
[17:44:04] xa4a: а спец класс запускает её в цикле
[17:44:07] xa4a: и проверяет флаг сам
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[17:44:22] xa4a: так у тебя и доп. функция проще будет - без цикла и о флаге ей не надо знать ничего
[17:44:55] Septem: но в определёной функции то надо знать о флаге
[17:45:08] xa4a: не нужно
[17:45:22] xa4a: просто заканчивай её поскорее
[17:45:40] xa4a: я не понимаю твои абстрактные хотелки
[17:45:48] xa4a: или ты плохо объясняешь
[17:45:56] xa4a: давай код, который у тебя не работает
[17:45:57] Septem: кажется я понял
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[17:50:20] Сволота: чобы хранить состояние, нужны не объекты, а замыкания
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[17:51:54] Septem: мда теперь же ещё надо класс реализовать который будетф выполнять функцию
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[17:53:11] Сволота: классы тоже функции, их можно создавать динамически и они могут работать как замыкания
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[17:54:40] Сволота: тоесть, делаем декоратор, который принимает функцию и на основе этой функции создаёт класс
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[17:54:59] Septem: Сволота: неужели нельзя всё сделать красиво и просто?
[17:55:15] Сволота: это и есть красиво и просто
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[17:55:51] Сволота: не нужно лишней писанины если надо насоздавать кучу разных потоков
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[17:56:15] Septem: Сволота: можешь на кокректной задаче показать?
[17:56:17] xa4a: Сволота: c каких пор классы - это функции?
[17:56:39] xa4a: функции умеют наследоваться?
[17:57:00] xa4a: Septem: не нужно на каждую функцию свой класс
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[17:57:08] Septem: xa4a: нет конечно
[17:57:10] xa4a: можно один класс и в нём подменять исполняемую фнкцию
[17:57:10] Сволота: xa4a: __new__ и __call__ в краткой форме выглядят одинаково
[17:57:17] Septem: так
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[17:57:46] xa4a: в какой краткой форме?
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[17:57:57] Сволота: в виде пары скобок
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[17:58:43] xa4a: ну класы - callable - это да, вполне
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[17:58:45] xa4a: ссы
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[17:59:04] xa4a: "тоесть, делаем декоратор, который принимает функцию и на основе этой функции создаёт класс" - а это называют, обычно, фабрика
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[17:59:08] xa4a: фабрики во все поля
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[17:59:19] Сволота: если класс и функцию передавать в качестве параметра, то обращатся с ними можно совершенно одинаково
[17:59:24] webninja: хм
[17:59:33] Septem: Можно просто обьяснить как реализовать следуюшие: есть n функций из них часть вечно зациклена а часть зациклена до некого момента, нужно выделить каждую функцию в свой поток, при том так что в тот момент когда хотя бы один из этих потоков завершится должны будут быть завершены и все остальные
[17:59:33] webninja: кто-то тут про банки рассказывал
[17:59:41] webninja: мне вот щаз надо структуры данных хранить по кредитам
[17:59:46] webninja: а я смотрю их там разных
[17:59:48] webninja: атовкредиты
[17:59:53] webninja: кредиты на образование
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[17:59:56] webninja: и везде разные поля
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[18:00:02] xa4a: webninja: ьныйд
[18:00:04] xa4a: mysql
[18:00:20] xa4a: Septem: сделай два класса - вечного потока и невечного
[18:00:32] xa4a: независимо от того, какую конкретную функцию выполняют
[18:00:33] webninja: ничо лучше чем сделать дженерик кредит и от него наследовать. но это йопт сколько таблиц получится?
[18:00:41] xa4a: это нормально
[18:00:48] xa4a: ну как бы..
[18:00:48] Septem: xa4a: так и что этим классам делать? как их связать между собой?
[18:01:12] xa4a: это нормально с точки зрения нормализации схемы, см. целостности
[18:01:12] Сволота: webninja: тогда mongo/couch
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[18:01:25] xa4a: Septem: так как в моей ссылке выше
[18:01:35] xa4a: один ивент всем передай и синхронизируйся на него
[18:01:55] webninja: не получится монго надо скуэль ) я тоже подумал что вот щаз бы просто накидал бы в монгу и все готово ) пиздец управился
[18:02:13] xa4a: webninja: сколько таблиц?
[18:02:24] xa4a: ынтерпрайз же. за то глобально и надёжно
[18:02:29] webninja: я не знаю ну штук 10 думаю может быть
[18:02:34] xa4a: это не много же
[18:02:36] aries.ua: Народ, а кто нить ставил python-openssl под CentOS
[18:02:44] Сволота: вообще зачем в питоне нужны приватные поля? их же можно реализовать в виде замыкания, по сути лишняя сущность введённая в угоду плюсовикам
[18:02:46] xa4a: aries.ua: кто-=то ставил
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[18:02:52] webninja: столько писать зато.
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[18:02:58] Septem: xa4a: стоп
[18:03:00] aries.ua: Что надо поставить :)
[18:03:03] xa4a: webninja: не пиши. отдай в аутсорс
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[18:03:43] Сволота: webninja: тебе нужны выборки по всем полям?
[18:03:44] Septem: xa4a: смотри класс получает функция и создаёт поток с ней но, как вырубить то поток там?
[18:04:49] webninja: ну желательно всю инфу канешно раскидать по полям
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[18:05:32] Сволота: просто если по какойто инфе нет выборки, то её можно хранить в виде одного поля
[18:06:08] webninja: это да. но задачу это упрощает не сильно там на каждый кредит полей по 20 даже если несколько сократить особо смысл не меняется
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[18:06:39] Septem: xa4a: кстати твой код не работает
[18:07:15] Сволота: в общем, в одну таблицу впихнуть все поля, а там где не используются оставлять пустыми
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[18:08:00] xa4a: написать нормальную, нормализованную, схему. не пихать всё в одну таблицу
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[18:08:19] webninja: xa4a вот это я и пытаюсь сделать
[18:08:36] Сволота: схема может ВНЗАПНО поменятся
[18:08:58] webninja: так что советует коллегия. сделать GenericCredit и от него наследовать или куча полей и одна таблица?
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[18:09:31] Сволота: /me за одну таблицу с кучей неиспользуемых полей
[18:09:43] webninja: блин ну это трэшово же )
[18:10:07] Сволота: это гибко и просто
[18:10:31] Сволота: не грузи себя, загрузи машину
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[18:11:25] Сволота: это же ынтырпрайз, там место на экономить не обязательно
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[18:12:05] xa4a: схема может поменяться и с одной таблице
[18:12:06] xa4a: й
[18:12:18] xa4a: и дело не в экономии места, а в организованности структуры
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[18:13:33] Сволота: а можно ли def вызвать сразу на месте или надо только lambda ?
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[18:15:59] Сволота: таки питон не подходит для моего стиля программирования :-/
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[18:18:11] Сволота: хотя если перед lambda поставить @ , а после этого написать def, то вполне себе нормальный функциональный код получится
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[18:19:18] Сволота: надо чегонибудь придумать для проверки будут ли работать лямбды в качестве декораторов
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[18:21:43] xa4a: Septem: http://paste.in.ua/3979/ $20
[18:22:14] Septem: xa4a: хех
[18:22:15] xa4a: Сволота: File "<ipython-input-1-bb2acc4af1ee>", line 1
@(lambda f: f)
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
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[18:23:07] Сволота: значит не судьба :(
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[18:24:15] Сволота: JS в этом плане гораздо лучше
[18:24:40] webninja: кстати а чем его дебагать?
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[18:28:04] xa4a: js?
[18:28:08] webninja: да
[18:28:13] xa4a: chrome dev tools
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[18:28:29] webninja: я его фигово знаю и каждый раз когда нужно что-то написать моя жизнь превращается в ад
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[18:28:52] xa4a: есть одно решение
[18:28:55] xa4a: больше писать на нём
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[18:29:34] Сволота: или поручать это дело мне ;)
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[18:30:24] xa4a: true
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[18:30:40] xa4a: но тогда webninja рискует получить лямбда-декораторы и куче-зранилища ;)
[18:30:58] xa4a: и получается тот же ад
[18:31:06] xa4a: *хранилиза
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[18:32:19] Сволота: я вообщето на кофескрипте пишу, там это не ад, а даже какбы рай :)
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[18:33:47] xa4a: Сволота: под веб?
[18:34:06] Сволота: не только
[18:34:42] Сволота: сейчас допиливаю один проектик не имеющий к вебу ни малейшего отношения
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[18:35:05] webninja: ого такое может быть?
[18:35:34] Сволота: конечно
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[18:37:01] Septem: xa4a: а как у тебя реализован момент что при отключении хотя бы одного потока все остальные тоже отключаются?
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[18:38:35] xa4a: Septem: никак. это ещё $20
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[18:46:11] Martin: lambda id, name: '<a href="/forums/show/%i">%s</a>' % id, name
NameError: global name 'name' is not defined
что-то не так?
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[18:47:27] mishok13: да
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[18:48:44] mishok13: lambda id, name: '<a href="/forums/show/%i">%s</a>' % (id, name)
[18:49:21] mishok13: а еще лучше пользоваться методом format у строк
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[18:50:56] Martin: mishok13: спасибо. работает.
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[18:51:36] mishok13: lambda id, name: '<a href="/forums/show/{:i}">{}</a>'.format(id, name) например
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[18:52:40] Martin: но можно же ведь указать {:s}?
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[19:42:14] mishok13: можно, но это все равно дефолт
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[19:55:31] Septem: xa4a: попробовал сделать так : каждая функция для цикла в потоке возврашает когда она всё сделала False и если она его вернула сбрасывать run но бесполезно
[19:55:53] Septem: xa4a: у меня даже pygame.quit() не работает из потока
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[20:01:33] Septem: http://paste.in.ua/3980/ - почему не работает? запускаю loop
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[20:02:06] Septem: точнее почему при нажатии ESC нечего не происходит?
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