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[11:50:51] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[11:52:11] aries.ua: Народ, частенько слышу о SQL алхимии. Оно действительно круто? Пока меня внутренняя джанговская ORM устраивала
[11:52:22] webninja: пользуйся )
[11:52:24] aries.ua: Можете за и против привести? :)
[11:52:36] webninja: алхимия это суровая необходимость когда нужно выйти за рамки жанго.
[11:52:52] aries.ua: а можешь пример привести, когда это требуется?
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[11:53:06] webninja: ну когда нужно с базой работать без джанго
[11:53:15] webninja: не будешь же ты как пятикантроп скуэль запросы строить
[11:53:23] aries.ua: Так вроде жданго позволяет писать прямые запросы
[11:53:39] aries.ua: ну в принципе согласен :)
[11:53:44] webninja: представь что нету джанги
[11:53:47] webninja: а с базой работать надо
[11:54:01] aries.ua: А ведь ты прав :)
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[11:54:15] webninja: ну это пипец ты чо будешь для консольного скрипта делать зависимость - целый вебфрэймворк.
[11:54:24] aries.ua: Сейчас если нет джанги, у меня свои классы написаны были :)
[11:54:39] webninja: а еще я хочу с фласк поработать потом в будущем, там пригодиться алхимия.
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[11:55:08] aries.ua: Надо поковырять алхимию, а то люди хвалят. Надо бы узнать за что :)
[11:55:24] webninja: я тоже раньше так делал когда не знал что орм есть. делал класс чтобы можно было Somethin.set_name(fdsfsdfs)
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[12:37:27] _lorien: по-моему, абсолютно нет разницы, какая зависимость у консольного скрипта: django или алихимия
[12:37:36] _lorien: ещё не ясно, что из них больше :)
[12:37:56] webninja: жанга больше
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[12:38:30] _lorien: во сколько раз там строчек кода больше?
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[12:51:40] alexey-grom: ну для работы только с бд логичнее использовать только orm, а не фреймворк, изначально предназначенный для другого
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[12:57:35] _lorien: а в чём тут логичность?
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[12:58:29] _lorien: Разве что более красиво выглядит. Ну т.е. да, я бы алхими стал юзать, а не джангу т.к алхими более гибкая и я её научился готовить на начальном уровне
[12:59:09] webninja: там помимо этого еще уровень абстракции сверху. ты используешь через connection?
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[13:00:55] _lorien: да я вообще алхимию использую чтобы в существующие бд писать данные, в DLE. в вордпрессы
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[13:01:11] _lorien: не, я не пишу голый SQL, я создаю таблицы с опцией autoload=True
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[15:51:22] cutwater: кстати вообще любопытно, каким образом можно при помощи SQL имитировать ф-ционал NoSQL баз данных
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[15:52:19] xa4a: create table(id int, parent_id int, name str, value str) ?
[15:52:22] cutwater: Хотя бы вот есть задача - медиа архив. Интересует именно более менее эллегантное проектирование базы данных. Вот есть например фильмы, может сосоять из эпизодов / сезонов + серий etc.
Собственно как эту всю динамическую структуру нормально хранить в базе.
[15:52:39] xa4a: как хранить деревья в базе?
[15:52:43] cutwater: известно как
[15:52:45] cutwater: =)
[15:52:46] xa4a: ну так
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[15:53:05] cutwater: xa4a: тут скажем больше другой вопрос, сущности в дереве на разных уровнях могут быть разных типов.
[15:53:33] cutwater: и делать их именно таким образом как ты предложил не совсем оптимально по дальнейшему использованию
[15:53:40] cutwater: может все таки лучше взять Mongo ?
[15:53:46] xa4a: чем не оптимально?
[15:53:56] xa4a: ну есть эти.. range trees или как
[15:54:09] cutwater: хм... попробую посмотрю.
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[15:54:39] xa4a: может не range tree. ща найду что я имею в виду
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[15:57:25] xa4a: о, вот это: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nested_set_model
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[15:57:44] cutwater: ну с этой моделью хранения данных я знаком
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[15:58:15] xa4a: так а чем не оптимально?
[15:58:38] cutwater: мне кажестя будут слишком переусложнены тривиальные запросы.
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[15:59:41] xa4a: key range queries - самое простое, что можно запрашивать у базы
[15:59:50] xa4a: кроме разве что одиночных значений по ключу
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[16:04:03] melistraza808: товарищи вылазит 1 странная ошибка
ProgrammingError: SQLite objects created in a thread can only be used in that same thread.The object was created in thread id 4644 and this is thread id 5104
обьясните её, потому что я не понимаю я создал базу с данными, заполнил её в одном проекте, перенёс просто в другой, а в другом она уже не работает, а перенёс в третий там работает, это как ?
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[16:04:45] xa4a: sqlalchemy?
[16:04:58] melistraza808: SQLite
[16:05:03] melistraza808: 3
[16:05:21] xa4a: проблема не в поектах
[16:05:32] melistraza808: а в чём ?
[16:05:32] xa4a: то есть в одном
[16:05:35] xa4a: в котором не работает)
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[16:05:37] xa4a: нуэ..
[16:05:50] xa4a: сообщение об ошибке ж пишет
[16:05:59] xa4a: что нельзя sqlite-объекты таскать между тредами
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[16:06:18] xa4a: то есть проблема не в базе, а в том, как ты с ней работаешь
[16:06:36] melistraza808: гадство
[16:06:40] melistraza808: ладно буду искать
[16:06:42] melistraza808: спасибо
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[16:07:42] xa4a: вероятно, решения - в каждом треде - по своему соединению (может вообще уничтожит базу, надо смотреть про thread-safety в sqlite) или сделать один отдельный поток который создаёт соединение и говорит с базой, а остальные ему только запросы через очередь передают
[16:07:56] xa4a: хотя можно просто переходить на mysql/postgres
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[16:08:46] melistraza808: не уже начал работал с SQLite так и буду, при этом проект мне сдавать сегодня
[16:08:56] melistraza808: работать"
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[16:22:29] _lorien: возможно в алхимии учтено это поведение sqlite
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[16:23:56] melistraza808: хз где оно учтено, но уже очень странное это поведение, и причину такогового найти не могу
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[16:25:37] xa4a: вероятно причина в нетредсейфности
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[16:26:00] xa4a: то есть если будешь писать из двух потоков в один конекшн, то сломается
[16:26:19] melistraza808: пишу я только в 1, из 2 других считываю
[16:27:07] melistraza808: 1 проект создаёт таблицу полей базы
2 без проблем заполняет поля
3 не может никак прочитать, читает отлично в двух предыдущих
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[16:49:04] metall1c: всем привет, никто модуль на Си не писал для питона?
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[16:51:02] cutwater: допустим писал и ?
[16:51:08] cutwater: metall1c: это соц опрос?
[16:51:17] metall1c: :)
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[16:51:33] metall1c: нет, щас опишу суть задачи, не знаю с чего начать :)
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[16:52:30] metall1c: уже спрашивал, в общем надо сделать юдп-сервер, который слушает порт, на этот порт шлются пакеты с данными (netflow протокол), этот сервис должен эти пакеты парсить, в них данные, кто куда слал чего и сколько байт
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[16:53:03] metall1c: вот пример кода http://dumpz.org/179803/
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[16:53:23] metall1c: надо в общем распарсить data
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[16:53:32] metall1c: я не придумал как это сделать на питоне
[16:53:40] metall1c: на Си я это делал элементарно, вот макет
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[16:53:52] alex-bulgakov: мм
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[16:53:57] alex-bulgakov: а зачем тебе питон?
[16:54:04] metall1c: http://dumpz.org/179805/
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[16:54:31] metall1c: ну на Си геморно писать это, уже писал, задолбало, на питоне удобнее логику писать
[16:54:41] cutwater: metall1c: import struct ниасилил?
[16:54:41] metall1c: плюс работа с БД на Си ужас
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[16:54:55] metall1c: cutwater: где? в питоне?
[16:54:58] cutwater: ну да
[16:55:01] metall1c: а как?
[16:55:09] cutwater: а как ты парсишь?
[16:55:13] metall1c: у меня на Си есть .h файл
[16:55:23] metall1c: #include <netgraph/netflow/netflow.h>
[16:55:37] metall1c: он из системы инклудится, там описана структура данных пакета
[16:55:47] cutwater: ну ок
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[16:55:59] metall1c: вот содержимое его http://dumpz.org/179807/
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[16:56:09] cutwater: самый простой вариант для тебя написать shared библиотеку и звать ее через ctypes
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[16:56:15] cutwater: другой вариант написать C Extension
[16:56:40] metall1c: я просто новичек в этом, поэтому может что-то идеологически делаю не так
[16:56:42] cutwater: третий вариант - import struct, Luke
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[16:58:03] metall1c: я как придумал решить эту задачу, сделать на Си модуль (сделал, пока ничего не работает), там типа ф-ия unpackFlow, в нее передавать пакет пойманный питоном, там в этой ф-ии его парсить и возвращать, так реально сделать?
[16:58:18] metall1c: пока что у меня юдп-пакет похоже не корректно передается
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[16:58:42] metall1c: вот код модуля http://dumpz.org/179811/
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[16:59:26] metall1c: вот код на питоне, который этот модуль зовет http://dumpz.org/179813/
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[17:01:33] metall1c: понятно объяснил? :)
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[17:04:11] metall1c: cutwater: а что за самый простой вариант с shared библиотекой?
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[17:12:40] cutwater: metall1c: знаешь как .so библиотеку собрать?
[17:12:48] metall1c: ну да
[17:12:56] cutwater: делаешь ф-цию которая парсит твои данные и зовешь ее через ctypes
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[17:13:29] metall1c: а чем это принципиально отличается от моего текущего варианта, когда я модуль для питона сделал, также сишная ф-ия зовется же?
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[17:13:35] metall1c: или я что-то не понимаю
[17:13:52] cutwater: ничем, просто тебе будет собрать проще чем модуль писать
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[17:14:06] cutwater: но ты можешь написать модуль, подробности в документации
[17:14:23] cutwater: http://docs.python.org/extending/index.html
[17:14:29] cutwater: читай @ пиши
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[17:15:12] metall1c: да я по написанию модулей уже прочел доку и моудль уже оформил
[17:15:25] metall1c: http://dumpz.org/179811/
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[17:15:37] cutwater: ок увидел
[17:15:43] metall1c: вот
[17:15:54] metall1c: вот код на питоне
[17:15:55] metall1c: http://dumpz.org/179813/
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[17:16:10] metall1c: вот он передает в ф-ию модуля пойманный пакет print netflow.unpackFlow(data)
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[17:16:28] metall1c: но похоже он не передается корректно
[17:16:42] metall1c: в модуле я этот аргумент принимают как s#
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[17:17:03] metall1c: у меня же строка по идее там
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[17:19:14] cutwater: metall1c: ну во-первых
This variant on s stores into two C variables, the first one a pointer to a character string, the second one its length.
[17:19:44] metall1c: это откуда и о чем?
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[17:20:00] cutwater: это из документации к s#
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[17:23:15] cutwater: это из увиденных на первый взгляд ляпов
[17:24:11] xa4a: metall1c: а что, в интернете до тебя никто netflow не парсил на питоне?
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[17:25:03] metall1c: xa4a: судя по всему нет, гугл поверхностно никто ничего не выдает
[17:25:41] xa4a: http://code.google.com/p/pynetflow/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk
[17:26:02] xa4a: class Netflow_Parser(SocketServer.BaseRequestHandler):


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[17:27:23] xa4a: вот ещё: http://www.koders.com/python/fid95010DBCF0829EE4D073042B11EA3BD8BA211469.aspx
[17:27:29] metall1c: спасибо, щас погляжу
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[17:54:29] metall1c: xa4a: это pynetflow проект, он под 2.6 питон, под 2.7 он похоже не заводится, да и не хотелось бы сторонние либы использовать, мне-то по сути дела надо только прочесть содержимое пакета, больше ничего
[17:54:58] xa4a: ну вытащи из него один класс)
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[17:55:34] metall1c: да пока глаза разбегаются, куда смотреть, пока понял только одно, похоже мне надо юзать struct :)
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[18:07:04] gigimon: чуваки, помогите с js
[18:07:47] gigimon: и jquery, есть select, но без опций, если делаю на нем val(), то получаю Null, как-бы получать значение по-умочланию?
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[18:07:54] alex-bulgakov: ты конференции не перепутал?
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[18:09:14] gigimon: нет, тут лди образованные и помогают со всем
[18:09:29] gigimon: учитывая, что многие пишут под веб и многие знают не один язык ;)
[18:09:42] alex-bulgakov: фу ну его нахер этот веб
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[18:11:05] metall1c: после двух дней мучений первый прогресс, удалось достать версию nwtflow и кол-во потоков в пакете :) http://dumpz.org/179900/
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[18:23:18] xa4a: gigimon: какое такое дефолтное значение если нет опций?
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[18:24:52] gigimon: ну, типа как в питоне у словаря, если нет ключа
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[18:25:13] gigimon: ну да ладно
[18:25:17] gigimon: тупо через is сделал
[18:25:23] gigimon: if*
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[18:26:22] xa4a: почему бы не положить дефолтное значение в опцию?
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[18:38:38] gigimon: оно генерируется при выборе другого selecta
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[18:40:16] xa4a: добавляй туда при генерации сразу какой-то <option value="">-----</option>
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[19:05:40] melistraza808: кто может код глянуть ?
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[19:06:04] melistraza808: а то я уже в панике
[19:06:35] xa4a: ты кого-то в панику тоже вогнать хочешь?
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[19:06:54] melistraza808: нет хочу что-бы какой-то более опытный товрищ помог )
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[19:07:06] melistraza808: ибо я видимо на столько ещё дно что ничего найти не могу
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[19:11:53] melistraza808: гляньте кто-то кто web.py шарит
http://dumpz.org/179960/
постоянное выдаёт
ProgrammingError: SQLite objects created in a thread can only be used in that same thread.The object was created in thread id 4748 and this is thread id 1832
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[19:13:39] nmk: а что тебе не понятно? не используй треды.
[19:14:04] nmk: или check_same_thread=False :)))
[19:14:17] melistraza808: а что это за треды ?
[19:14:27] melistraza808: и где они там у меня
[19:15:15] nmk: это я не знаю. может твой web.py какой-то главный тред создает, там инициализурется база и всё прочее, а твой апликейшн уже в другом тереде запускается по запросу.
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[19:17:03] melistraza808: да обычный питон 2,7 и обычным веб.пай
[19:17:23] melistraza808: это в коде что-то, ибо если юзать эту же базу в другом проекте то норм
[19:17:59] xa4a: melistraza808: может твой web.py <http://web.py/> какой-то главный тред создает, там инициализурется база и всё прочее, а твой апликейшн уже в другом тереде запускается по запросу.
[19:18:15] xa4a: а что тебе не понятно? не используй треды. или check_same_thread=False
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[19:18:35] xa4a: не знаешь как работает web.py - не используй его, или разбирайся
[19:18:41] cutwater: или еще лучше: не используй web.py
[19:18:44] cutwater: =)
[19:19:20] melistraza808: ну спасибо я стараюсь сам разобратся но здесь тупо не могу
http://dumpz.org/179960/
покажите строку где хоть эти треды
[19:19:51] cutwater: melistraza808: открой исходники web.py и разберись как он работает
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[20:08:49] xa4a: melistraza808: web.py - фреймворк. это значит, что он управляет выполнением твоего кода. от твоего кода тут мало зависит. дело в том, как собственно web.py управляет
[20:08:52] xa4a: так что таки его исходники смотреть
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[20:09:48] melistraza808: вроди исправиль, работает, но выглядит криво и не правильно
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[23:08:11] cutwater: xa4a: помнишь утреннюю задачку. как бы ты спроектировал такую базу данных и что бы выбрал для ее реализации
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[23:09:22] cutwater: вообще надо написать что-то типа распределенного индекса по файлам аля iTunes для NAS и подобных сетевых хранилищ
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[23:19:31] xa4a: не знаю что такое NAS
[23:19:40] xa4a: фултекст-поисковиков много разных есть же
[23:19:42] xa4a: на питоне - whoosh
[23:19:59] xa4a: а ещё - sphinx, mysql-myisam таблицы умеют фултекст поиск
[23:20:02] xa4a: apache lucene
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[23:24:30] _lorien: xapian
[23:24:35] _lorien: в постгресе есть fulltext и даже в монге вроде
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[23:26:04] xa4a: так а в чем вопрос?
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[23:28:40] cutwater: да уже ни в чем. щас попробуем чего-нибудь наваять
[23:30:10] xa4a: можно только отметить, что поисковик не обязательно должен быть хранилищем
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[23:54:19] melistraza808: Я наверное уже все надоел!
Но всё же, допустим, у меня есть главная страница, которая перенаправляет на логин если ты не залогинен, либо просто показывает себя если ты залогинен.
вопрос как мне передать имя залогиненого пользователя на главную страницу
всё это в web.py
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[23:58:00] cutwater: melistraza808: может ты все таки возьмешь чо попроще для тебя
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[23:58:20] cutwater: ибо с сессиями ты тоже не разобрался.
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[23:58:44] melistraza808: я бы с радостью но нужно учить, я и так уже много сам разобрал, это не могу найти
извините конечно что так напрягаю вопросами
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[23:59:22] melistraza808: я нашел что-то типо web.ctx.name = 'blablabla' но чёто не работает
[23:59:46] cutwater: ну так ты посмотри штоле тут
http://webpy.org/cookbook/
[23:59:52] cutwater: User authentication
User authentication with http basic auth (RFC2617)
User authentication with Postgresql database