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>>> root.text = "TEXT"
[02:45:57] deepwalker: как корчое?
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[10:02:41] Trec: Доброе утро, уважаемые.
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[10:05:16] Trec: Если на сервер дан только FTP доступ к БД через phpMyAdmin, и вход в админук джанги, возможно ли его допиливать?, ведь для применения обновлений нужно перегружать сервер, а доступа к SSH нет.
[10:05:52] aries.ua: touch project.wsgi
[10:06:01] aries.ua: и будет тебе счастье
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[10:06:31] aries.ua: а по FTP банально измени файл и все :)
[10:07:16] Trec: а вместо syncdb, просто создавать в phpMyAdmin в ручную таблицы?
[10:08:11] aries.ua: дам сделай, потом разверни в пыхадмине
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[10:09:08] Trec: aries.ua: понятно, спасибо большое.
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[10:09:45] webninja: но ваще это не дело
[10:09:46] neoascetic: а чо руби ацтой, да? я как-то краем глаза только, но после пайтона взгляд корябает, да
[10:09:47] webninja: требуй доступ
[10:10:21] webninja: руби - тихая гавань для бывших пхпшников
[10:10:29] aries.ua: Народ, а кто в курсе, можно ли как-то выключить csrf для одного метода во вью?
[10:10:52] Trec: не дадут, прошлые разработчики нинзи, их хер найдешь, и они скорее харакири сделают чем доступы дадут
[10:10:53] aries.ua: я PHP-ник. Питон нравится больше :)
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[10:11:26] neoascetic: webninja, а пайтон тогда что?
[10:11:30] webninja: пхпшник по принуждению?
[10:11:40] webninja: как краб за веслом галеры
[10:11:53] webninja: пятон это пятон
[10:12:18] aries.ua: Как можно отключить CSRF? :)
[10:12:22] webninja: хз
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[10:12:28] webninja: в доках должно быть если можно
[10:12:37] neoascetic: aries.ua, там декоратор есть какой-то
[10:12:39] webninja: !g switch off csrf django
[10:12:55] webninja: LMGTFY
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[10:13:45] webninja: пхп это канешно вопиющий пример несправедливости
[10:13:53] webninja: я поражаюс как такой стремные со всех сторон язык
[10:13:56] webninja: доминирует в вебе
[10:14:04] webninja: этож стыд
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[11:06:46] metall1c: всем привет
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[11:08:24] metall1c: занимаюсь реализацией своего первого инет-магазина, использовать django-lfs нет смысла, слишком навороченный для моей задачи, мне по сути нужен просто каталог товаров с оформлением заказа через сайт и самовывозом и оплатой в магазине
[11:08:42] webninja: хм а другие еще навороченнее
[11:08:48] webninja: ну тогда просто жанго
[11:08:51] webninja: django-cms
[11:09:02] metall1c: ага
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[11:09:25] metall1c: только думаю вообще голая джанга, зачем там цмс, для трех статических страниц с контактами и описанием магазина?
[11:09:37] webninja: оплата в магазине это что имеется в виду? биллинг подключать?
[11:09:40] metall1c: вопрос заключается в алгоритме работы корзины, как лучше сделать, где хранить инфу, в сессиях или БД ?
[11:09:46] webninja: страницы редакторировать, плэйсхолдеры
[11:09:47] metall1c: webninja: оплата на месте
[11:09:57] webninja: хз это тот случай когда жанго цмс в принципе к месту
[11:10:10] webninja: сессии и так в бд хранятся по дефолту
[11:10:24] webninja: регай юзера
[11:10:26] webninja: и храни инфу
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[11:10:59] metall1c: да вот думаю может нафиг регу, чисто анонимное оформление без регистрации, с указанием контактов и подтверждением заказ кликом ссылки на емейл?
[11:11:07] metall1c: проще юзерам
[11:11:18] metall1c: и ссылку давать для отслеживания состояния заказа
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[11:12:25] metall1c: там по сути надо что, заходит человек, видит список товаров, ищит нужные, набивает корзину, делает чекаут, менеджеру приходит заказ, он его собирает, уведомляет клиента, клиент приезжает в магазин, оплачивает и забирает
[11:12:33] Trec: Это и близко CMS не пахнет, одино приложение джанги и все, рас вообще без заказов, оплаты, и прочего
[11:12:34] metall1c: *ищет*
[11:12:49] webninja: да
[11:13:07] webninja: !g lorien bitbucket urlauth
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[11:13:13] webninja: тут можешь часть кода взять
[11:13:30] webninja: с жанго цмс можно страницы создавать просто
[11:14:05] metall1c: ну если содержимое страниц часто менять не надо, то можно и без цмс обойтись в принципе же?
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[11:16:40] neoascetic: была пара подобных проектов
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[11:17:05] neoascetic: юзал cms, потому как редактирование проще для контент-менеджера
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[11:17:48] metall1c: ну если контент редактировать - понятно, но я думаю там нечего редактровать, контакты раз в пятилетку или описание магазина?
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[11:19:03] neoascetic: тогда тебе уже ответили :)
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[11:20:08] metall1c: там еще каталог товаров хотят из 1с выгружать на сайт переодически, дали пример ексельки, думаю как лучше заливать его, по какому алгоритму мержить с существующим каталогом, который ранее заливался?
[11:20:39] metall1c: там тупо таблица, наименование, код, еще что-то, цена, кол-во
[11:21:05] neoascetic: недавно сталкивался с подобным, проект правда не мой
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[11:21:55] metall1c: вот и я думаю в csv заливать, только почему по фтп? почему не в админке файл заливать?
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[11:22:15] neoascetic: там пхпшное все было :)
[11:22:32] metall1c: ну и что? :) это что-то меняет принципиально?
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[11:23:32] neoascetic: меняет. я тебе говорю как там было. на пхп. без админки
[11:23:40] metall1c: а
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[12:22:18] aries.ua: Декоратор, отключающий проверку csrf - csrf_exempt :)
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[12:32:06] chernysh: Привет! Кто подскажет. Скрипт сначала коннектит к серверу. Затем запускает несколько потоков (Threading). Каждый из потоков конектится к БД Оракла, получает данные с сервера, обрабатывает, ложит в БД Оракла. Через 15 мин работы начинает все тупить, ответы к серверу идут уже по 1-30 минут. Как исправить, может с использованием твистеда переписать?
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[12:38:48] gigimon: chernysh: ты сначала найди в чем проблема
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[12:38:51] gigimon: а потом думай о решении
[12:39:08] gigimon: скорее всего где-то лочится
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[12:40:54] chernysh: это 100% не локи БД. Что-то с потоками
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[12:41:10] chernysh: В какую сторону гуглить, курить?
[12:41:33] chernysh: На вид все нормально. Начинает тупить через минут 15 после запуска
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[12:50:25] nosensus: chernysh: я конечно не спец, но меня учили смотреть сразу логи. Посмотри заргуженность процессов может тупо переполнение идет
[12:52:08] chernysh: Хорошо, проверю
[12:52:24] Trec: у меня похожее было, но сайт ложился, применил кеширование шаблонов, все прошло
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[12:55:02] chernysh: Это не сайт, это скрипт, который коннектит к удаленному серверу по TCP
[12:55:23] Trec: значит не понял задачу, вычеркни )
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[12:56:22] gigimon: chernysh: проверь, что у тебя нету нигде вечного цикла без задержек и что потоки не лочатся из-за чего-то (например ждут очередь, которая чем-то занята)
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[12:58:53] chernysh: Спасибо
[12:58:54] chernysh: проверю
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[13:41:04] огыешсук: вечер, сограждане
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[13:45:35] nosensus: Вопрос: как осуществить выборку например каждого 8-го и 11-го элемента из списка?http://dumpz.org/189369/ пробовал срез сделать k[8] возвращает пустой список
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[13:47:35] neoascetic: Trec, что, на хэшкоде вопрос оставил? :)
[13:48:30] Trec: neoascetic: а что, ответил )
[13:48:35] neoascetic: да
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[13:50:05] Trec: neoascetic: у меня возврашает и 8 и 11, если они есть конечно
[13:50:19] Trec: ой, промазал, соори
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[13:51:36] nosensus: Trec: http://dumpz.org/189370/ исходник таков ошибка такая IndexError: string index out of range понял что ругается на допустимый диапазон
[13:52:10] neoascetic: nosensus, самый первый вариант - обработка исключений
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[13:52:17] neoascetic: потом идем дальше, улучшаем
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[13:52:27] neoascetic: ты же учишься, верно?
[13:52:53] nosensus: neoascetic: да верно я только учусь
[13:53:07] neoascetic: ну вот
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[13:54:28] Trec: nosensus: ты второй открыл на чтение, а первый просто
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[13:54:47] nosensus: neoascetic: я кажется неправильно указал в условии что то, понять не могу что именно не так
[13:55:09] nosensus: Trec: первый для чтения же а второй для записи якорь стоит ведь "W"
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[13:56:28] neoascetic: nosensus, я там у тебя условий не увидел
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[13:57:19] neoascetic: но самый простейший вариант - elem = len(list) > 8 and list[8]; if elem -> и так далее
[13:57:39] nosensus: neoascetic: ой не условие а использование for
и указывание нужного элемента
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[13:58:58] nosensus: neoascetic: проще говоря мне нужен отсюда http://dumpz.org/189369/ нужен '78' и '192.168.5.24:137' т.е байт и айпи они как раз 8 и 11
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[13:59:20] neoascetic: nosensus, в чем проблема? бери и вперед
[13:59:59] neoascetic: основы алгоритмизации знаешь? основные управляющие конструкции python и большинства языков?
[14:00:01] nosensus: neoascetic: вопрос возник я правильно сделал что разбил его на список по элементам?
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[14:00:21] neoascetic: если структура всегда одинаковая - почему бы и нет
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[14:00:50] nosensus: neoascetic: составление алгоритмов знаю, но не знаю как выложить на питоне т.е синтаксис языка тяжел для меня пока
[14:01:06] neoascetic: а какие языки до этого?
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[14:02:25] neoascetic: если длина массива равно 11: # наш случай!
байты = массив[8]
ИП = массив[11]
# УРРА!!!
[14:02:25] nosensus: neoascetic: конкретно никаких, так только брался смотрел это были php html jquery, но их быстро бросил потому что понял что не то
[14:02:37] neoascetic: теперь на пайтон:
[14:02:46] neoascetic: на питоне:
[14:03:08] nosensus: neoascetic: так как решил уже давать упор на системное администирование. выбрал путь как говориться
[14:03:21] neoascetic: if len(mass) == 11: # hooray!
bytes = mass[8]
ip = mass[11]
[14:03:30] neoascetic: не правда ли, походе?
[14:03:36] neoascetic: * похоже
[14:03:47] Trec: или просто проверять есть ли он вообще, если есть, то ура, если нет, ну значит или это не наша строка, или не такого формата
[14:03:48] nosensus: neoascetic: об этом я как то не подумал
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[14:04:35] neoascetic: сперва строим алгоритм, потом кодируем.
[14:04:56] nosensus: neoascetic: а если строки длина строк не равномерна допустим
1 строка 11
2 строка 10
[14:05:17] neoascetic: ээээ. ну ты же на массив смотришь
[14:05:22] neoascetic: и проверяешь длину
[14:05:27] nosensus: neoascetic:можно же сразу указать самую большую длину например f len(mass) == 17
[14:05:46] neoascetic: ну вот, я судил по тем данным в dumpz
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[14:06:02] neoascetic: а там вроде все равномерны кроме "комментов" о начале сессии
[14:06:18] nosensus: neoascetic: алгоритм в голове давно построен, я просто я не знаю самого языка питон
[14:06:44] nosensus: neoascetic: так ведь он первую строку тоже разбивает и читает он ведь с первой строки
[14:06:49] Trec: nosensus: А другие знаешь?
[14:06:58] neoascetic: не знает
[14:07:06] neoascetic: nosensus, иди читай dive into python
[14:07:17] neoascetic: я с него начинал около года назад
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[14:07:48] nosensus: neoascetic: хорошо прочту обязательно, я так понял он на англ
[14:08:19] neoascetic: мож и на русском есть, хз. но пытаться строить дом не зная как соединять кирпичи - глупо и опасно
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[14:08:55] nosensus: neoascetic: во правильно сказал я не знаю как кирпичи соединять, план есть дома а вот раствор не готов
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[14:09:11] neoascetic: ну так вперед!
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[14:09:35] nosensus: Trec: neoascetic: спасибо за помощь!
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[14:11:02] webninja: xa4a ping
[14:11:19] xa4a: ?
[14:11:26] webninja: помнишь ты говорил что мол type(a) == type(b) не тру
[14:11:29] webninja: почему?
[14:11:35] webninja: а как надо делать?
[14:11:45] xa4a: не не тру
[14:11:49] xa4a: а ты этого делать не хочешь
[14:11:53] xa4a: этого никак делать не надо
[14:11:55] webninja: как не хочу
[14:11:57] webninja: ну блин )
[14:12:01] webninja: а зачем оператор?
[14:12:04] xa4a: зачем ты можешь это хотеть?
[14:12:10] xa4a: оператор ==?
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[14:12:32] webninja: ну например у меня есть список объектов разных. которые типа по очереди извлекаются и выполняются
[14:12:47] xa4a: допустим
[14:13:02] webninja: и нужно проверить напримре тип объекта и если совпадает с чем-то что-то там сделать.
[14:13:18] xa4a: "тип объекта совпадает с чем-то" - это isinstance()
[14:13:47] xa4a: или try: obj.quack() except AttributeError
[14:14:06] xa4a: а ещё очередь из объектов раного типа - это дурной тон
[14:14:06] webninja: эксепшены еще более не тру
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[14:14:20] webninja: у piranha видел такое
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[14:15:51] cutwater: xa4a: мы например писали компаратор для сохранения в базу сложных типов
[14:16:08] cutwater: как раз там проверялось эквивалентность типов прежде чем их обходить
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[14:16:29] xa4a: cutwater: как проверялась?
[14:16:41] xa4a: а что если наследование?
[14:16:51] cutwater: эм... не та ситуация.
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[14:17:28] xa4a: webninja: чем тебе isinstnce не подходит?
[14:17:30] cutwater: у тебя либо поле не изменилось либо изменилось. если наследование, то другой тип. значит объекты уже не равны.
[14:18:47] xa4a: но на самом деле они-то могут быть и равны, т.к. полиморфизм же
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[14:19:05] cutwater: xa4a: идею не понял
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[14:20:06] cutwater: ну тут задача слишком прикладная и вполне попадает под условия. у тебя объект в базе лежит. ты можешь менять его поля, в нем могут лежать подобъекты. задача проверить изменился ли он и если изменился сериализовать его в базу.
[14:20:21] cutwater: для этого конкретного случая и type(a) == type(b) подходят.
[14:20:45] xa4a: оукей
[14:20:46] cutwater: потому что если типы не равны, то смысла проверять дальше нет. новый объект переписывает старый.
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[20:08:47] aries.ua: Народ, а как в clean_method получить ID строки?
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[20:09:30] aries.ua: Это требуется к примеру, для поиска такого же значения исключая самого себя
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[20:57:04] xa4a: aries.ua: какой id?
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[21:13:45] gigimon: aries.ua: что хочешь получить, непонятно у тебя?
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[21:14:46] gigimon: aries.ua: читая доку по джанге, а именно про clean у форм, можно увидеть, что clean_field не рекомендуется использовать ни для чего, кроме проверки данных, а также не брать другие филды
[21:15:00] gigimon: если надо проверить несколько филдов в 1 функции, то clean()
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[21:50:37] aries.ua: но мне проверить надо не несколько полей, а одно но, надо еще и идентификатор строки. К примеру когда редактируем уникальный код, мы должны в базе проверить, а нет ли такого же кода. Но если сделать поиск по коду, то он найдет самого себя. Что бы это исключить в условие ставить поиск по поку исключая собственный ID
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[23:10:23] gigimon: aries.ua: бр, какой в жопу у строки id?
[23:10:34] gigimon: или ты имеешь ввиду id модели?
[23:11:04] bobry is now online
[23:13:14] aries.ua: каждая строка в таблице имеет свой ID иначе как бы в запросе работал UPDATE :)
[23:13:46] gigimon: пф, так прчием тут форма, модель и строка?
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