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[02:13:56] noobik: в общем стандартный питоновский обработчик кукисов не справляется никак, grab справляется
[02:14:29] noobik: питоновский не полностью кукисы получает, а только часть какую0-то. Не знаю из-за чего так
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[02:26:15] noobik: cookiekib или как его
[02:26:55] noobik: cj = cookielib.CookieJar()
opener = urllib2.build_opener(urllib2.HTTPCookieProcessor(cj))

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[09:17:58] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[10:47:57] slav0nic: м, а чё с дропбоксом случилось? +5Гб дали
[10:48:08] slav0nic: 13.5гб на шарика)
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[13:52:45] metall1c: а почему {% csrf_token %} может на срабатывать и в шаблон после рендера не добавляется скрытое поле в форму?
[13:52:49] metall1c: хотя в другом шаблоне срабатывает
[13:53:52] metall1c: вот полностью код шаблона, это окно, которое появляется при клике на ссылку http://dumpz.org/192331/
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[13:54:29] slav0nic: не помню, контекст часом не надо в него пробрасывать?
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[14:14:36] metall1c: slav0nic: это ты у меня спрашиваешь? по-моему нет
[14:16:47] slav0nic: metall1c, а по-моему надо;)
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[14:17:07] metall1c: значит я не понимаю о чем ты, уточни тогда
[14:17:15] slav0nic: django.core.context_processors.csrf ты ж подключаешь, небось во вьюшке его не пробрасываешь в шаблон
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[14:18:30] metall1c: вот макет вьюшки http://dumpz.org/192339/
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[20:34:01] py_two: как думаете стоит слезать с дженту на арч ?
[20:35:02] levsha: дженту ж закрывали вроде
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[20:35:42] alexey-grom: что за удовольствие все собирать из исходников? :)
[20:36:03] levsha: а если холодно?
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[20:37:36] py_two: alexey-grom: я если честно не пробывал никогда арч
[20:37:43] py_two: зато другие все дистрибы пробывал
[20:38:02] py_two: и могу с уверенностью сказать, что в дженту все работает несколько лучше, нежели в другом дистрибе
[20:38:53] levsha: и быстрее
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[20:39:02] levsha: где-то на 0.002%
[20:39:20] alexey-grom: там вроде есть проблема есть из-за того, что софт самый свежий - он бывает сыроват
[20:39:56] alexey-grom: в других дистрибах провереннее и стабильнее
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[20:40:47] py_two: alexey-grom: проблема в том, что для того, чтобы заставить работать дженту после обновления нужно реально хардкорные вещи делать
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[20:40:56] andreyjkee: oracle linux
[20:41:04] py_two: alexey-grom: это как раз и напрягает
[20:43:47] py_two: andreyjkee: там наверное для десктопа нет пакетов нужных
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[20:45:22] alexey-grom: py_two, не знаю ) я два раза пытался её поставить, но в среднем на второй день терпения не хватало все докомпилировать
[20:45:56] py_two: alexey-grom: :)
[20:46:21] alexey-grom: если хочется хардкора уж тогда слаку ставить
[20:46:33] py_two: alexey-grom: слака - мой первый дистриб
[20:46:51] py_two: еще до слаптгет
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[20:51:42] py_two: alexey-grom: ладно, на бук потом попробую поставить
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[20:51:54] py_two: посмотреть что такое арч и стоит ли на него внимание тратить
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[20:57:55] xa4a: alex-bulgakov: там как и в дургих дистрибутивах можно сидеть на стабильных версиях софта
[20:58:07] xa4a: и сошкребать говно мамонтов, ага
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[21:04:07] py_two: xa4a: ага, как на дебе фаерфокс 3,0,5, на который нет плагинов:)
[21:04:26] alexey-grom: гавно мамонтов это в центосе XD
[21:04:38] py_two: alexey-grom: 1,0,0 ?
[21:04:50] py_two: или 0,9,9 pre alfa ?
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[21:05:51] alexey-grom: я про то что там питон 2.4 без вариантов и со всем остальным также грусно
[21:06:16] xa4a: py_two: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/www-client/firefox
[21:06:25] xa4a: 10.0.3 стабильный
[21:06:33] xa4a: 11.0-r1 нестабильный
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[21:07:38] xa4a: но я знаю как минимум одного человека, который с геты на арч переехал
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[21:12:18] py_two: xa4a: у меня сейчас стабильный виртуалбокс отказался ставится на дженту
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[21:12:48] xa4a: ну он, наверна, написал, что ему не нравится?
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[21:13:36] py_two: xa4a: таки да, но на форумах проблема солвилась установкой другой версии. ~x86 =)
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[21:20:55] py_two: xa4a: я всегда не мог подобрать себе линукс десктопа т.к оно все или древнее или жутко нестабильное
[21:21:39] xa4a: так а зачем тебе линукс тогда, собсно?
[21:21:53] py_two: xa4a: на венде с питоном работать нереально
[21:22:08] py_two: xa4a: django в том числе
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[21:22:23] alexey-grom:
это чистая правда
[21:22:33] xa4a: юзай мак
[21:22:42] alexey-grom: http://dumpz.org/192419/ gcc 2007 года, ff таки новый ))
[21:23:25] alexey-grom: py_two, если для десктопа, чем убунта не нравится?
[21:23:42] py_two: xa4a: на мак денег нет
[21:24:10] xa4a: а программируешь - для души?
[21:24:15] andreyjkee: дебиан 6 норм
[21:24:27] andreyjkee: убунта = юнити
[21:25:05] andreyjkee: py_two: почему не реально? я работаю особых проблем нету :]
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[21:25:21] andreyjkee: точнее их вообще нет
[21:26:04] alexey-grom: не всякая убунта = юнити. там тьма форков под любые запросы
[21:26:21] py_two: xa4a: пока что да
[21:26:48] alexey-grom: дебиан славен стабильностью и относительной старостью репов
[21:27:00] xa4a: py_two: тогда нестабильный линукс тебе должен быть по душе)
[21:27:24] xa4a: ну, и да. в винде работать можно и с питоном и с джангой. инфа 100%
[21:27:24] andreyjkee: линукса идеального нету, везде свои костыли, юзайте ШИНДОШС
[21:27:41] py_two: xa4a: можно, но через клоаку
[21:27:51] py_two: xa4a: а линукс да, везде свои грабли
[21:28:10] xa4a: ну ты хочешь, чтобы бесплатно, красиво, удобно и стабильно
[21:28:16] xa4a: и быстро
[21:28:19] xa4a: и просто
[21:28:25] xa4a: так не бывает же, к сожалению
[21:28:28] alexey-grom: andreyjkee, при любом раскладе программировать в линуксе удобнее и приятнее чем в винде
[21:29:17] andreyjkee: что значит приятнее?
[21:30:05] gigimon: под виндой для питона нету кучи милых вещиц
[21:30:06] andreyjkee: удобность в чем? в винде тоже есть командная строка с юниксовыми тулзами, я юзаю cygwin
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[21:30:08] gigimon: а также некоторые вещи тяжело собрать
[21:30:16] gigimon: а это костыли
[21:30:25] gigimon: тогда уж лучше линукс в виртуалке пускать
[21:30:27] gigimon: и юзать его так
[21:30:35] gigimon: у меня на работе так двое делают
[21:30:50] andreyjkee: я так тоже делал раньше
[21:31:00] gigimon: а я просто на мак перешел)
[21:31:05] andreyjkee: теперь у меня только сервера на виртуалке
[21:31:20] gigimon: andreyjkee: на локальной машине?
[21:31:32] andreyjkee: ну да и вдс на убунте 1004
[21:31:46] gigimon: эт ты какие такие сервера запускаешь локально в виртуалках
[21:31:57] gigimon: надо тут будет на 12.04 уже скоро апдейтиться
[21:32:15] andreyjkee: ну там апач пэхапэ :)
[21:32:28] gigimon: %)
[21:33:03] andreyjkee: я просто копию продакшн сервера держу чтобы тестить что ничего не сломалось
[21:33:23] alexey-grom: andreyjkee, мне доставляет структура файловой системы например. а в винде все по папкам хз где и path нужен. все конфиги в одном месте. и таких маленьких удобств очень много. все заточено под программирование
[21:33:49] alexey-grom: а cygwin это адовый костыль, смысл эмулировать линукс, когда можно его просто установить и работать?
[21:34:10] andreyjkee: в линуксе тоже path иногда нужен, например помню для django-admin.py прописывал
[21:34:23] andreyjkee: это не эмуляция линукс
[21:34:33] alexey-grom: я не помню чтобы его под django-admin.py прописывал )
[21:34:34] andreyjkee: это утилиты командной строки скмпилированные под винду
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[21:35:08] andreyjkee: я могу вытащить от туда grep.exe и скопировать в папку system32 и у меня будет grep из cmd работать или тоже самое если в path пропишу
[21:35:11] alexey-grom: насколько я помню там целая подсистема
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[21:35:20] alexey-grom: а не только утилиты ком.строки
[21:35:26] gigimon: cygwin подсистема конечно
[21:35:29] andreyjkee: да, но можно юзать только утилиты
[21:35:42] andreyjkee: но это не емакс :)
[21:35:44] gigimon: andreyjkee: если ты прописывал ручками path, то ты что-то не так делал :)
[21:36:32] andreyjkee: возможно :)
[21:36:58] py_two: та можно конечно и unixtools заюзать
[21:37:01] andreyjkee: это я вообще по какому то мануалу или книге делал, когда только учил django
[21:37:08] py_two: но греп и 10 подобных утилит не есть линукс
[21:37:19] py_two: под венду много костылей сборки модулей для питона
[21:37:29] alexey-grom: и это не говоря о том, что либы через одну не компилируются в винде. а многие готовые билды тупо глючат )
[21:37:30] py_two: нужен гцц там и куча разного Г в придачу
[21:37:33] py_two: а это все время
[21:37:34] andreyjkee: сам cygwin эмулирует внутри себя линуксовые разделы
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[21:38:19] andreyjkee: всмысле папка var лежащая в cygwine /var
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[21:41:17] andreyjkee: http://217.25.228.35:1234/cyg.png :)
[21:42:43] andreyjkee: кстати еще можно github gui поставить там во время установки можно выбрать чтобы установились утилиты линуксовые для командной строки
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[21:50:38] gigimon: извращенцы
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[21:53:14] gigimon: слушайте
[21:53:19] gigimon: а подскажите такую веь
[21:53:34] gigimon: как сделать динамическую загрузку классов определенного типа из модуля?
[21:54:10] gigimon: например, если я хочу сделать плагинную систему и мне надо из папки с модулями собрать все классы, наследники какого-то определенного
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[21:56:46] alexey-grom: это было на форуме http://jenyay.net/Programming/PyPlugins
[21:57:41] gigimon: спс
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[22:35:13] xa4a: gigimon: SuperClass.__subclasses__()
[22:35:53] xa4a: я это в боте использовал, когда-то
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[22:37:19] gigimon: хы
[22:37:44] gigimon: т.е. загружаем из папки все модули, а потом у базового класса вызываем сабклассес
[22:37:51] gigimon: интересно)
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[22:40:14] xa4a: возникнет проблема, если хочется какие-то модули отключить
[22:40:29] xa4a: тогда один из вариантов решения - в папке с модулями - файл __init__.py
[22:40:36] xa4a: в котором есть __all__
[22:40:43] xa4a: в который вписывать только те модули, которые хочется
[22:41:00] xa4a: я так делал 5 лет назад, так что это может быть костыль и не правильно)
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