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[00:23:54] py_two: gigimon: ну я слышал, что если настроил apache+wsgi, то если вносятся изменения в проекте, то нужно апач перегружать
[00:24:04] gigimon: а
[00:24:13] gigimon: гугли на предмет mod_wsgi touch
[00:24:19] gigimon: не помню название директивы
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[04:08:56] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[05:32:50] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[07:48:57] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[09:45:10] aries.ua: не надо апач перегружать. Достаточно сделать
touch site.wsgi
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[10:16:12] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
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[10:44:08] aries.ua: кто выключен?
[10:44:19] gigimon: тач
[10:44:22] gigimon: для wsgi
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[11:26:34] slav0nic: xa4a, гугл видео уже не закрывается? вроде год назад обещали захлопнуть
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[11:29:54] xa4a: slav0nic: погуглил, пишут, что не закрывается: http://www.techspot.com/news/43453-google-backpedals-offers-google-videos-to-youtube-transfer-option.html
[11:31:00] slav0nic: ню ладно
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[12:24:20] neoascetic: hi all
[12:24:45] neoascetic: короткие команды типа if not name: return противоречат pep8?
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[12:26:47] webninja: нет вроде
[12:26:58] Tony: нет но за это я бью по яйцам
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[12:27:10] webninja: гг
[12:27:14] webninja: зачем?
[12:27:29] Tony: так же как и использование / в случае если есть возможность его не использовать
[12:27:29] webninja: можно просто гуманно расстреливать на рабочем месте
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[12:28:50] neoascetic: Tony, а чо так? не противоречит же, а место занимает.
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[12:29:14] Tony: хуево когда компактность кода ставят превыше читаемости
[12:29:22] webninja: да
[12:29:26] webninja: код читаю 90% времени
[12:29:30] Tony: +
[12:29:34] webninja: 20к строчек это уже большая программа
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[12:31:22] Tony: да и с использованием таких тюнингов становится только хуже читать
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[12:35:22] Tony: я их чего-то невзлюбил
[12:35:29] Tony: они же по идее в первую очередь как замена для generic_view
[12:35:36] cutwater: а я хочу нормальный REST
[12:35:48] Tony: в каком смысле нормальны?
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[12:36:01] neoascetic: CRUD?
[12:37:07] Tony: я вот хочу проект с душой
[12:37:08] cutwater: Tony: в том смысле чтобы потом из него можно было легко сделать консольный интерфейс и не городить правила валидации на всех уровнях.
[12:37:24] Tony: не говно на говне говном погоняет
[12:37:26] Tony: а чтобы с душой
[12:37:27] cutwater: а то что у нас щас на проекте в том виде в каком есть выглядит криво и убого
[12:37:38] Tony: cutwater, да это пиздец, сам не знаю как решить
[12:38:09] Tony: особо напрягает как решить вещи которые допустим могут валидироваться только на клиенте
[12:38:13] Tony: типа одинаковые пароли
[12:38:14] cutwater: Tony: ну у нас эту задачу решили через Naked Objects теперь есть список тасков и по ним генерируется и REST и CLI
[12:38:19] cutwater: и еще куча всего
[12:38:27] cutwater: и все это в одном классе ужас нах
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[12:39:02] cutwater: Tony: и еще бы на 3м питоне вообще зашибись было
[12:39:21] cutwater: Tony: может накидать большой и громоздкий XML ? :-D
[12:39:43] Tony: cutwater, json проще на практике
[12:39:51] cutwater: ну не суть
[12:39:53] Tony: https://github.com/toastdriven/django-tastypie вот это я все не могу посмотреть
[12:39:59] Tony: говорят часть вещей решает
[12:40:04] Tony: но там django
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[12:42:03] cutwater: Tony: надо будет глянуть
[12:42:22] cutwater: а еще меня печалит то что werkzeug на Py3 не портировали
[12:42:38] Tony: py3 нахуй у меня геолокация почти во всех проектах
[12:42:42] Tony: под py3 нихуя нету
[12:42:47] cutwater: :'-(
[12:42:54] Tony: еще хуянга везде бесит люто
[12:43:17] cutwater: а вообще
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[12:43:26] cutwater: надо будет на этот джанго тастипай посмотреть
[12:43:31] cutwater: родилась у меня одна идея
[12:43:35] Tony: у меня знакомый много работал с ним
[12:43:41] Tony: говорит пришлось переписать почти полностью
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[12:51:31] xa4a: Tony злой какой-то
[12:51:37] xa4a: не в джанге ж проблема
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[12:58:38] cutwater: xa4a: а в чем?
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[12:58:56] xa4a: в головах
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[12:59:04] alexey-grom: в плохокоде
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[12:59:07] cutwater: ну это всегда так. надо же что-то делать с этим
[13:00:20] alexey-grom: меня жутко вымораживает даже свои исходники читать - ничего не понятно ))
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[13:01:00] webninja: а мне нравится жанга ) ну я уже щаз правда понимаю что не все хорошо в жангу ложиться. но для моих сайтиков пока 100% подоходит
[13:02:57] webninja: я как правило тоже не очень люблю читать исходники, но если долго что-то юзаешь (open-source) то рано или поздно начинаешь там шариться по коду. это типа тренирует скилл чтения сурсов.
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[13:05:26] slav0nic: все кто кричит что джанга гавно - пытается потом из пилонов или фласка сделать ту самую джангу ;)
[13:05:36] slav0nic: хотя не спорю, джанга не универсальна
[13:06:46] alexey-grom: webninja, опенсорс старательнее пишут, он, как правило лучше коммерческого кода написан
[13:07:04] xa4a: хахаха
[13:07:13] alexey-grom: мне джанга пхп чем-то напоминает, а чем не пойму никак
[13:08:14] slav0nic: те кто пишут джангу, пишут её в свободное от коммерческих проектов время
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[13:08:22] webninja: опен сорс для себя пишут, и если пишут значит есть мотивация. а коммерческий код наверное хуячат чтоб быстрее здать.
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[13:08:42] mishok13: slav0nic, ну это не совсем так
[13:08:44] xa4a: webninja: у тебя извращённое представление о коммерческих проектах
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[13:09:02] xa4a: коммерческие - это ж не только аутсорс
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[13:09:15] mishok13: многие из кор-девов активно используют джангу в своих коммерческих проектах, поэтому "scratch their own itch" как говориться
[13:09:33] alexey-grom: имеются ввиду - с закрытыми исходниками
[13:09:34] webninja: ну это вас там в гугле кормят и облизывают ) а некоторых компаниях принято кнутом подгонять )
[13:09:51] mishok13: xa4a, коммерческий софт тоже пишут в условиях жестких дедлайнов
[13:09:57] slav0nic: ога, поэтому меня кумарит что ряд тикетов висит по 5 лет, тк никому из кордевелов оно нахер не надо в работе)
[13:10:10] slav0nic: на тему коммерческого софта гавна хаватает
[13:10:24] slav0nic: IBM, sybase из того с чем сталкивались)
[13:10:31] xa4a: slav0nic: тикеты по 5 лет висят? так шлите патчи, чо
[13:10:57] slav0nic: когда патч фиксит один баг и возвращает старый) такое наверно возхможно при отсутвии тестов)
[13:10:58] mishok13: это у вас там в гуглах можно хуем махать, а к бизнесу приходят кастомеры и другие бизнесы и требует функционала в определенный срок
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[13:11:14] slav0nic: xa4a, не учничай, там есть и с патчами
[13:11:51] webninja: ггг да. тяжелая жизнь в программерских гетто
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[13:15:14] xa4a: mishok13: функционал в определённый срок можно и без говонокода устроить
[13:15:32] alexey-grom: самый большой генератор когда скилл исполнителей в закрытых проектах не соответствует задачам которые на них грузят - как результат адский непредсказуемый и нечитабельный говнокод написанный непонятно на чем )
[13:15:54] alexey-grom: а потом те кто начинали прокачиваются и уходят и код становится еще и неподдерживаемым
[13:16:29] xa4a: хорошо, что у нас уже отменили рабовладение и спрос на программистов пока превышает предложение так, что можно выбирать себе проект по душе
[13:16:33] xa4a: особенно на питоне-то
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[13:17:21] alexey-grom: на питоне - да. но это потому что заказчики до сих пор удивляются и спрашивают wtf
[13:17:32] alexey-grom: будет большой спрос на питон - будет тоже что с пхп
[13:17:45] alexey-grom: и джанга-джанга кругом
[13:17:52] xa4a: на пхп тоже есть проекты, которые стараются поддерживать архитектуру
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[13:18:19] xa4a: и если ты крутой пхпшник, который это ценит (wtf?!) то найти такой проект не проблема
[13:18:33] xa4a: а питон - это не только джанга, опять же
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[13:19:03] xa4a: и спрос на неджангу больше, чем достойных редложений
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[13:20:10] mishok13: xa4a, "функционал в определенный срок без говнокода" ах мечты
[13:20:57] xa4a: mishok13: опять же, всё с точностью до вменяемости заказчика/менеджмента. и опять же, есть из чего выбирать
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[13:21:14] alexey-grom: нет, просто когда умные и скиловые люди на проекте, его конечно будет минимум чтобы они не делали, но умных и скиловых на все проекты не хватает
[13:21:34] mishok13: скажем так, в больших компаниях-производителях видеоигр это условие не соблюдается
[13:21:36] mishok13: 10% рынка
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[13:21:48] mishok13: большие финансовые компании — тоже самое
[13:21:54] mishok13: еще 25% рынка
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[13:22:49] mishok13: всякий энтерпрайз где IT не является способом заработком — 20% рынка
[13:22:53] mishok13: и т.д.
[13:22:58] xa4a: alexey-grom: ну мы же исходим из предлположения, что ты сам умный и скилловый.
[13:23:03] xa4a: mishok13: мы всё ещё про питон?
[13:23:10] mishok13: мы все еще про питон
[13:23:32] xa4a: видеоигры и большие финансовые компании?
[13:23:35] xa4a: хм
[13:23:47] xa4a: /me как-то отстал от рынка
[13:24:03] mishok13: Battlefield 3, Civilization V из последних
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[13:24:17] mishok13: куча серверов для игр пишутся на питоне/рубях/пхп
[13:24:39] gigimon: mishok13: откуда инфа, что бф3 на птионе?
[13:24:54] alexey-grom: питон в геймдеве активно используют, давно
[13:24:55] mishok13: движок нет, сервер да
[13:25:08] alexey-grom: второй точно был со скриптами питоньими
[13:25:09] gigimon: ок
[13:25:15] gigimon: ну, eve на питоне
[13:25:18] gigimon: была по крайней мере
[13:25:27] gigimon: а еще старая игра blade of darkness
[13:25:29] gigimon: был там питон
[13:25:38] mishok13: разрабы MW3 на европитоне активно зазывали в Дублин и Торонто
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[13:26:46] mishok13: в целом, рынка в котором IT это основной источник дохода и при этом нету жестких дедлайнов — почти нету, а то что есть сконцентрировано в трех точках: долина, нью-йорк и лондон
[13:27:11] mishok13: попасть в эти места не имея паспорта EU/USA намного тяжелее
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[13:28:34] gigimon: mishok13: был на европитоне?
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[13:28:43] mishok13: в прошлом году да
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[13:33:34] slav0nic: mishok13, MW3 небось хотят питонщиков для портала, ибо бетллог у БФ3 на питоне, причём довольно няшный)
[13:33:58] mishok13: ненене, они MW3 для моделирования используют
[13:34:02] slav0nic: а ёпт, не прочёт твой пост выше
[13:34:03] mishok13: тьфу, питон
[13:34:07] slav0nic: хех
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[13:34:27] slav0nic: моделирование чего? аля рендеринг графики?
[13:34:31] mishok13: ага
[13:34:59] slav0nic: гуд) плюну в скайп жабакодеру, задроту MW ))
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[13:35:45] slav0nic: разрабы Eve вроде что-то новое варганят
[13:36:15] neoascetic: владеющие англицким есть? :)
[13:36:18] neoascetic: Вот я пишу чуваку, мол, запись if/for/while на одной строке (sometimes) не противоречит pep8
а он - works for me then
что хотел сказать, не пойму. что нормально, пойдет или что "для меня это как раз тот случай, когда НЕЛЬЗЯ"?

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[13:36:48] xa4a: neoascetic: значит "а, ну тогда ок
[13:36:59] neoascetic: ок, спасибо
[13:37:12] xa4a: ну геймдев вон и в киеве питон использует
[13:37:17] xa4a: insollo
[13:37:22] xa4a: светлов
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[13:37:26] slav0nic: http://2056.ru
[13:37:29] slav0nic: да)
[13:37:52] slav0nic: ну то с Eve и бф3 не сильно сравнибельно В)
[13:38:03] slav0nic: но в целом интересно, свой велик на пу3 + zmq
[13:38:21] slav0nic: только если трафа не будет - то зря парились)
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[13:39:10] xa4a: на главной нет ссылок на скриншоты -> говно
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[13:39:32] slav0nic: как это, были вроде
[13:39:55] slav0nic: справа же
[13:40:07] slav0nic: скриншоты и видео
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[13:41:28] xa4a: а, реальне
[13:42:05] mishok13: один скриншот
[13:42:39] mishok13: а нет, просто интерфейс странный
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[13:43:14] xa4a: и конпки прокрутки скриншотов убегают при изменении ширины скриншота :\
[13:43:25] slav0nic: понеслась...))
[13:43:50] mishok13: можно arrow keys использовать
[13:44:02] mishok13: это по-ходу fallout online
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[13:44:55] slav0nic: закос да
[13:46:53] cutwater: Тем временем наш проджект менеджер понаставил в рандомных местах табов в коде и теперь жалуется на "Чудесный язык питон", который плохо реагирует на смесь табов и пробелов
[13:47:18] xa4a: cutwater: запили presubmit hook
[13:47:35] Typhon: slav0nic: worldofdarkness который год :)
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[13:48:05] mishok13: cutwater, скажи что если случайным образом понаставлять случайных символов в любом языке, то код не будет работать как ожидается
[13:48:25] mishok13: ну и скажи чтобы он редактор вразумительный себе поставил
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[13:50:04] xa4a: 2056.ru просто домашняя страница хавает по 50% четырёх ядер :S
[13:50:19] cutwater: mishok13: не просто он считает питон говном потому что таки whitespace имеет значение
[13:50:34] cutwater: и все ворчит что типа отказались от скобок а он ниасилил
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[13:51:11] mishok13: груснявки
[13:51:47] webninja: как замерять можно расход памяти пятоновских скриптов? хочу 2а фрэймворка сравнить
[13:51:50] webninja: (не веб)
[13:52:29] xa4a: guppy?
[13:53:10] Typhon: плюс к гуппи
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[13:53:24] webninja: щаз гляну, спасиб
[13:53:28] mrDoctorWho.: читать вывод из консоли?
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[13:55:34] mishok13: webninja, еще pympler можешь глянуть
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[13:57:53] xa4a: так, случайно нашел: профайлер с картинками: http://www.vrplumber.com/programming/runsnakerun/
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[14:31:39] webninja: как можно кэш принудительно сбросить у кастомеров? я сайт обновил например по ксс и картинкам
[14:31:59] gigimon: ну и забей
[14:32:40] webninja: бля )
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[15:01:09] cutwater: кстати гайз, насколько вообще правильно / красиво заниматься в коде выравнительством
[15:01:11] cutwater: и кто так делает?
[15:01:29] cutwater: например ключи и значения выравнивать
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[15:02:57] alexey-grom: http://dumpz.org/197451/ :-D
[15:03:04] cutwater: ?
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[15:03:40] alexey-grom: мое выравнивательство
[15:04:06] cutwater: у нас некоторые товарищи делают в коде так
[15:04:07] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/197453/
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[15:04:30] gigimon: я делаю на больших структурах только
[15:04:34] gigimon: либо, когда перносы строк
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[15:07:21] cutwater: slav0nic: кстати было бы еще неплохо запилить на форуме голосовалку к отдельным комментариям
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[15:07:28] cutwater: по типу как на винграде сделано.
[15:07:31] cutwater: типа +1 -1
[15:08:19] slav0nic: пока надо чтоб кто-то в них писал) согнать траф с форума на морду)
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[15:08:47] cutwater: не совсем понял
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[15:08:53] slav0nic: а, на форуме
[15:08:55] cutwater: я имел ввиду к сообщениям на форум.
[15:09:25] slav0nic: может и можно, но до этого дохера чего надо пофиксить более глобального) и переписать
[15:09:30] slav0nic: да я понял
[15:09:35] cutwater: ясн
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[15:09:56] cutwater: о только щас заметил сворачивание форумов ... клево
[15:10:41] cutwater: slav0nic: кстати еще один момент, т.к. разделов у нас мало и вообще сообщений не так много, у нас есть где-нибудь общий RSS на весь форум?
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[15:11:18] slav0nic: эм ну вроде
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[15:12:21] slav0nic: /forum/feeds/posts + для топиков
[15:12:43] cutwater: клево спасибо
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[15:14:12] cutwater: slav0nic: просто сходу не нашел нигде на самом форуме. кстати вообще это полезная фича иметь общий RSS и отдельный по разделам / форумам. потому как например ixbt.com имеет только общий RSS а там дофига всего, фильтровать неудобно.
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[15:15:08] slav0nic: ну фф нормально видит глобальные фиды
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[15:28:24] xa4a: cutwater: это против рер8
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[15:28:49] xa4a: More than one space around an assignment (or other) operator to align it with another.
[15:28:53] xa4a: !wtf pep8
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[15:30:06] xa4a: а насчёт последней ссылки на dumpz - у нас в стайлгайде: если перенос после открывающей скобки, то следующая строка должна быть на 4 пробела сдвинута
[15:30:54] alexey-grom: это как?
[15:31:40] xa4a: http://code.google.com/p/google-mysql-tools/source/browse/trunk/pylib/db.py#688
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[15:36:51] alexey-grom: то есть либо +4 относительно предыдущей, либо +1 относительно скобки?
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[15:48:40] cutwater: Гайз, а есть предложение. Давайте напишем библиотеку для создания API. например сделать общую схему по которой можно будет генерить REST, CLI, etc. с валидацией и т.п.
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[15:49:03] cutwater: Ну или хотя бы помогите мне понять как это можно спроектировать
[15:49:57] xa4a: alexey-grom: что значит 1 от скобки?
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[15:50:24] xa4a: если после скобки ничего нет, то следующая строка - +4 относительно строки со скобкой
[15:50:47] cutwater: xa4a: а где можно ваш стайлгайд посмотреть?
[15:50:53] xa4a: если после скобки что-то есть, то есть перенос после запятой, то следующая на уровне открывающей скобки +1, да
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[15:51:10] cutwater: http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pyguide.html
этот штоле?
[15:51:19] xa4a: cutwater: это наружный
[15:51:21] xa4a: да
[15:51:30] xa4a: файл по ссылке - по внутреннему написан
[15:51:59] cutwater: отступ в 2 пробела
[15:52:09] cutwater: первое что бросается в глаза
[15:52:12] xa4a: это во внутреннем
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[15:52:35] xa4a: ещё имена методов CapCase
[15:52:38] cutwater: о_О
[15:52:43] cutwater: xa4a: чего так?
[15:53:13] xa4a: много кода swig'ом генерируется. чтобы каши не было
[15:53:33] xa4a: так выходят приблизительно одинаковые API на плюсах, питоне, жабе
[15:53:57] xa4a: (насколько я понимаю)
[15:54:12] alexey-grom: xa4a, а плюсы много у вас используют?
[15:54:20] xa4a: да
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[15:54:44] xa4a: большинство из того, что user-facing - на плюсах
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[15:55:46] alexey-grom: что это user-facing? UI?
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[15:56:19] alexey-grom: а, обощенно то что с чем пользователи общаются?
[15:56:29] xa4a: то, что принимает участие в формировании ответа на http-запросы
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[15:57:16] alexey-grom: слишком абстрактно для моего понимания )
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[15:57:43] cutwater: xa4a: кстати вы pep8, pychecker, pylint, pyflakes что из этого используете?
[15:58:35] xa4a: pylint, подпиленный под свой стайл гайд
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[15:58:54] xa4a: его желательно выполнять, т.к. он ругается в code review
[15:59:02] cutwater: xa4a: докстринги все дела?
[15:59:20] cutwater: в том плане что обязательны
[15:59:24] xa4a: докстринги - на все публичные методы
[15:59:42] xa4a: или не на все
[15:59:47] xa4a: на все классы - точно)
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[16:01:09] xa4a: http://code.google.com/p/google-mysql-tools/source/browse/trunk/ тут приблизительно по стайл гайду
[16:01:53] xa4a: в общем, за здоровьем кода - стараются следить. код ревью, всё такое
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[16:03:29] cutwater: так а что все таки насчет библиотеки для реализации апишек
[16:03:43] cutwater: можно ли сделать как-нибудь универсально и красиво
[16:05:03] xa4a: маловероятно
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[16:12:51] cutwater: xa4a: тогда другой вопрос есть задача написать REST интерфейс и консольный клиент к нему. Вопрос в том как делать, чтобы не дублировать валидацию на REST и CLI ?
[16:14:21] xa4a: protocol buffers!
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[16:18:07] xa4a: хотя он для REST, вероятно, не подходит
[16:18:11] xa4a: нет ответа.
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[16:21:12] cutwater: хотя как я уже сказал можно наваять XMLку
[16:21:18] cutwater: или декларативно няшных классов
[16:21:34] cutwater: для каждого апи колла, который будет держать логику и для CLI и для REST
[16:21:44] cutwater: но это как-то не эллегантно штоле
[16:25:07] mrDoctorWho.: не подскажете, как в PyGtk узнать, какая клавиша нажата?
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[16:27:39] cutwater: вероятно словить событие keyPress или чего-то в этом роде
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[16:30:46] cutwater: вот почему на свои вопросы я не могу ответить и даже не знаю с какой стороны к этой задаче подобраться
[16:30:56] xa4a: хм. а если я в гите снёс ветку git branch -D, как её вернуть? :)
[16:30:58] gigimon: а зачем тебе нужна эта задача?
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[16:31:41] cutwater: xa4a: git fsck
[16:31:48] cutwater: git reflog
[16:32:28] mrDoctorWho.: мне надо сделать настройку горячих клавиш
[16:32:34] cutwater: http://gitready.com/intermediate/2009/02/09/reflog-your-safety-net.html
что-то типа такого
[16:32:59] cutwater: mrDoctorWho.: google://gtk hotkey не?
[16:33:11] mrDoctorWho.: cutwater, искал.
[16:33:21] cutwater: http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/unstable/gtk-Keyboard-Accelerators.html
[16:34:02] mrDoctorWho.: си же
[16:34:09] cutwater: ну дык
[16:35:08] xa4a: cutwater: шикарно. спасибо
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[16:36:40] cutwater: ну а бранч потом создаешь как

git branch name верхний_коммит_удаленного_бранча
[16:37:19] cutwater: gigimon: ну я хочу напедалить простой аналог openstack
[16:37:47] cutwater: с блекджеком
[16:38:24] gigimon: простой, сам с блекджеком?
[16:38:32] gigimon: вопрос, а нафига тебе свое облако?
[16:38:35] cutwater: ну непростой я на работе педалю
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[16:38:43] gigimon: аок
[16:39:04] gigimon: cutwater: а кроме как фреймворка для апи ты написал чета?
[16:39:06] xa4a: cutwater: ну я создал новый бранч и вмержил в него этот потерянный комит
[16:39:16] gigimon: для клауда
[16:39:19] cutwater: вариант
[16:39:40] cutwater: gigimon: да ну это все пока что в зачаточном состоянии. нет конечно.
[16:39:45] gigimon: :)
[16:40:11] cutwater: я вот все хочу чего-нибудь интересное дома попедалить
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[16:40:20] cutwater: выбрал это. вот и думаю как решить такую задачу.
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[16:41:06] xa4a: ты уже придумал, для чего ты это применишь?
[16:41:13] cutwater: нет
[16:41:17] xa4a: тогда забудь)
[16:41:48] cutwater: не ну просто надо же хоть куда-то развиваться. а так только на работе код пишу. хочется чего-нибудь для души
[16:42:04] cutwater: а оно пока дальше идей особо не двигается
[16:42:21] xa4a: писать только ради того, чтобы писать - бесперспективняк, имхо
[16:42:32] xa4a: чтобы развиваться - найди задачу в реальной жизни
[16:42:34] xa4a: которую решить
[16:42:41] xa4a: а не придумай задачу
[16:44:27] xa4a: что-то полезное.. например приделывать к фоточкам рамочки и загружать в фейсбук :)
[16:44:35] cutwater: :-D
[16:44:54] cutwater: было бы прикольно иметь дома локальную базу данных всего видео / медиа структурированую
[16:45:16] xa4a: зачем?
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[16:45:19] xa4a: это же есть в интернете
[16:45:20] cutwater: правда уперся в то что не представляю как написать индексатор. точней индексатор понятно, не представляю как потом структурировать индекс.
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[16:45:43] cutwater: xa4a: просто когда дома 4 машины, на которых что-то валяется. иногда возникает вопрос в организации всего этого барахла
[16:46:02] xa4a: удали барахло, которое есть в интернете
[16:46:06] xa4a: это решит проблему)
[16:46:10] cutwater: xa4a: ну вобщем-то всегда еще возникает вопрос зачем? можно прийти к выводу, что все придумали до нас
[16:46:12] cutwater: :-D
[16:46:25] xa4a: всё структурированно на рутрекере
[16:46:30] cutwater: :-)
[16:46:49] cutwater: xa4a: а вот фиг там. некоторых вещей на рутрекере фиг найдешь или еще где-нибудь
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[16:47:00] xa4a: вот напиши морду к рутрекеру
[16:47:05] xa4a: например, для xbmc какого-то
[16:47:05] cutwater: :-D
[16:47:10] mrDoctorWho.: Нашёл нечто похожее: регистрируем key_release_event, затем принтим event.keyval. В консоли видно цифры, соответствующие кнопкам. В Gtk есть какой-то другой метод или словарь, содержащий соответствия кодов названиям клавиш?
[16:47:36] cutwater: mrDoctorWho.: я тебе это уже сказал в самом начале. повесь обработчик на событие key press.
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[16:48:11] mrDoctorWho.: cutwater, ну я сделал, вопрос в том, как узнать какая клавиша нажата (я вижу только коды)
[16:48:33] cutwater: http://developer.gnome.org/pygtk/2.22/class-gdkkeymap.html
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[16:50:36] mrDoctorWho.: спасибо.
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[16:52:00] slav0nic: а чего pygtk, a не gi?
[16:52:56] cutwater: gi ?
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[16:53:09] cutwater: use PySide, Luke.
[16:54:49] slav0nic: gi с гтк как-то "больше" клеится) я не любитель qt например
[16:55:00] cutwater: что такое gi ?
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