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[11:31:25] Martin: добрый день
[11:33:20] Martin: http://pastebin.com/QWT9THPF почему может не работать? запускается, но, при попытке открыть, браузер висит, исключений не возникает. использую wsgiref, так как он не требует зависимостей. простейший wsgi пример с вики работает, пытаюсь завести webpy.
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[11:40:06] Martin: все-таки autoreload=False оказался важным..
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[12:20:10] Tony: Martin, заюзай фреймворк
[12:20:14] Tony: Martin, flask, bottle там
[12:20:16] Tony: werkzeug
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[12:20:40] Martin: webpy заюзал. список микрофрейморков знаю.
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[13:13:33] imbolc name: Всем привет :) Как бы вы добавляли реалтайм функционал в джанга-проект? Пока думаю использовать как прокси sockjs-tornado.
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[13:19:08] webninja: что значит риалтайм функционал, типа long polling всякий?
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[13:22:48] imbolc name: Ага пуши.
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[13:23:33] imbolc name: sockjs - это кроссбраузерные вебсокеты
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[13:25:54] webninja: я не знаю как бы добавлял
[13:26:03] webninja: есть еще фрэймворки разные типа orbited
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[13:42:34] xa4a: /me последнее что писал - заюзал джангу с торадой
[13:42:50] xa4a: спереди торнада, а что не может обработать - в джангу выплёвывает
[13:43:02] Martin: торнадо хостит джангу?
[13:43:06] xa4a: правда это не был реальный проект, так рил-тайм чятик
[13:43:12] xa4a: да, торнадо вызывает джангу
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[13:43:20] Martin: а перед торнадо - nginx?
[13:43:24] xa4a: нет
[13:43:26] xa4a: ниччего
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[13:44:26] Martin: сейчас запустил сайтик на кпк через webpy + wsgiref. буду пробовать flask, мб и django заведется (но много гемора будет).
[13:44:42] webninja: ух на кпк прям?
[13:44:46] Martin: все же прикольный стандарт
[13:44:47] Martin: да
[13:44:54] webninja: кпк на андроиде?
[13:44:56] Martin: Windows Mobile 6.5
[13:44:56] webninja: я седня угорел
[13:45:01] webninja: жаву осиливаю
[13:45:11] xa4a: полезно
[13:45:23] webninja: вот и там оказывается можно такую штуку как htmlunit - это headless browser на андроиде запустить )))
[13:45:35] webninja: т.е. можно с мобил парсить как бы сайт
[13:45:44] Tony: зачем?
[13:45:53] Martin: под андроид пишешь?
[13:46:00] webninja: не не пишу еще
[13:46:05] webninja: только осиливаю жаву там синтаксис
[13:47:26] webninja: ну хз ) я думаю в течении лет 5и мобилы заменят компы во многом. уже далеют такие что пипец 4е ядра 2а гига озу. недавно интел еще анонсировали wifi канал для монитора. будет типа мобила которую можно сконнектить с монитором и клавиатурой. и ос будет общая.
[13:47:51] xa4a: Tony:
1. вставляем парсер в  angry birds
2. бесплатно раздаём angry birds
3. получаем бесплатный распределённый кластер
4. ????
5. PROFIT!
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[13:47:57] webninja: да
[13:48:04] webninja: я тоже думал про это
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[13:48:25] Martin: у меня Java уже C# заменила потихоньку. писал несколько месяцев на первой, сейчас шарп уже позабыл (хотя знал его лучше джавы). да и сейчас джава отстает по навыкам от былого шарпа.
[13:48:52] webninja: шарп? не не слышал
[13:48:54] Tony: xa4a, но тогда зачем именно "парсить сайт"?
[13:49:04] Martin: > я думаю в течении лет 5и мобилы заменят компы во многом
только в простейшем развлечении. музычку, кино, интернетики, небольшие игры. особенно вне дома.
[13:49:22] Martin: webninja: да. я ради .нет бросил линукс в свое время :D.
[13:50:17] webninja: да хз ) щаз мобилы по железу уже начинают во всю догонять нетбуки (а то и перегонять). если можно будет прозрачно подрубать клаву и монитор внешний просто положив рядом телефон то музычкой и кино явно не ограничится.
[13:50:37] webninja: вон гугл мутит ос под это дело даже
[13:50:44] Martin: хром ос?
[13:50:45] webninja: и не одну
[13:50:50] webninja: да
[13:50:57] webninja: даже майкрософт
[13:50:59] Martin: мобилы арм. х86 мощнее. и привычная платформа и софт.
[13:51:01] webninja: одну платформу родили
[13:51:10] webninja: типа вин8 она же вроде как для планшетов и для пк
[13:51:10] xa4a: Tony: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:51:22] Martin: а еще совместимость с софтом старым
[13:51:39] webninja: да насрать ) портирую. это в линукс мире не проблема
[13:51:43] Martin: хром ос - все же для повседневки. для крузисов и кодинга она не катит
[13:51:43] xa4a: webninja: гугл ещё делает NaCl
[13:51:44] webninja: *портируют
[13:52:06] xa4a: native client
[13:52:08] webninja: фотошоп есть в облаке ) скоро будут айде в облаках
[13:52:13] webninja: уже есть даже вроде
[13:52:17] xa4a: (продолжая тему распределённых кластеров)
[13:52:21] Tony: xa4a, что значит твое сообщение?
[13:52:42] webninja: натрий хлор
[13:52:45] xa4a: Tony: значит, что я не представляю, зачем парсить сайты на телефонах
[13:52:48] webninja: гугл делает соль
[13:53:12] Martin: это для крузиса браузерного
[13:53:15] Martin: нейтив клиент
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[13:53:23] webninja: ну как купил несколько телефонов
[13:53:44] Tony: xa4a, нет ну кластер есть кластер
[13:53:54] Martin: кластер андроидов для парсинга?
[13:53:54] Tony: xa4a, ботнет тобишь, то зачем именно парсить сайты то?
[13:53:58] webninja: я просто удивился что то что для десктопа канает на телефоне ))
[13:54:14] xa4a: Tony: ну изначально разговор был о парсинге сайтов
[13:54:22] webninja: ну это пример применения
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[13:56:29] Martin: ну смартфоны такие сейчас. ну и тот же питон и java - кроссплатформленные
[13:57:44] Martin: но все же уступают компам. хотя способны на многое, чем звонилки с java me
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[14:01:27] xa4a: кстати, демки NaCl: https://developers.google.com/native-client/pepper18/video/showcase
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[14:12:40] imbolc name: xa4a, Дык так вся асинхронность а с ней и реалтаймовость потеряется. Там же получается если джанга получит управление, торнадо уже ничего не обработает пока она не вернёт.
[14:13:11] xa4a: вероятно
[14:13:19] xa4a: можно в отдельные треды её запускать
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[21:55:49] noobik: как сказать beautifulsoup, чтоб он не делал мне код валидным?
а то у меня одно, а он добавляет свои <html><body> и прочее, хотя в оригинале этого нет и не надо
скажу сразу, что bs3 работает нормально, а bs4 вот берет и портит мне жизнь :)
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