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[08:46:30] RaD: камраден, кто пользуется django-salmonella c django 1.4? у вас показывается справа от поля подсказка на значение?
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[12:04:36] Martin: добрый день
[12:05:02] Martin: в Django у моделей всегда есть поле id?
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[12:06:52] Martin: но если я поставлю уникальный индекс в другом месте, то она не будет его создавать?
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[13:14:55] xa4a: Martin: да
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[13:17:52] alexey-grom: ответы сервера хранить в файлах, но чтобы более менее удобно было сохранив ответ потом с ним работать + какие-то операции типа переименования/перемещения файла и т.д.
[13:19:29] alexey-grom: а что-то кроме file(..) ничего и нету ) и топорный модуль tempfile от которого пользы в придумывании имени файла и поиске tmp
[13:20:22] xa4a: sqlite
[13:20:34] alexey-grom: но у меня же файлы
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[13:20:42] xa4a: у тебя блобы
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[13:20:54] xa4a: create table files(name varchar, content text);
[13:21:38] alexey-grom: а как BLOB хранится?
[13:22:11] alexey-grom: т.е. не одим файлом все? а то очень много запросов и верхнего потолка в размере ответов нет
[13:24:22] xa4a: Unlike most SQL databases, SQLite does not restrict the type of data that may be inserted into a column based on the columns declared type. Instead, SQLite uses dynamic typing <http://www.sqlite.org/datatype3.html>. The declared type of a column is used to determine the affinity <http://www.sqlite.org/datatype3.html#affinity> of the column only.
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[13:31:04] alexey-grom: xa4a: не, я боюсь sqlite для этого )
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[13:31:15] xa4a: почему?
[13:31:55] alexey-grom: на 10м базе он замедляет работу, а я буду в него по 10мб за один раз совать
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[13:33:04] alexey-grom: плюс к тому что файлы все же удобнее потому может понадобится его переименовать в человеческий вид и переместить, а так из базы доставать и сохранять
[13:33:51] alexey-grom: и работа на gevent завязана, с файлами норм, а с sqlite еще хз что получится
[13:34:12] xa4a: ок, а чем tempfile не устраивает тогда?
[13:35:08] alexey-grom: там перегружать нечего )
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[13:36:48] alexey-grom: например завел объект-файл, сохранил внего что-то, перевел в режим чтения - прочитал. а от него толку в этом плане нету. вообще что-то такого ничего найти не могу
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[13:38:01] alexey-grom: в tempfile есть одна хорошая функция gettempdir ) остальное постольку поскольку )
[13:39:11] Typhon: with TempFile() as f:
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[13:44:37] alexey-grom: Typhon: ну вот так много раз делать надо на разные режимы, т.е. хранить только имя файла
[13:44:50] alexey-grom: а вообще практикуется перегружать file?
[13:45:18] Typhon: alexey-grom: можно взять NamedTemproraryFile и получить оттуда имя, а сайм файлобжект не трогать, например
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[13:47:10] alexey-grom: Typhon, он на запись открывается. как режимы менять? только переоткрыть через open, это все неудобно
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[13:47:58] alexey-grom: я пробовал NamedTemproraryFile, от него толку только что имя генерирует и занимает сразу.
[13:48:08] xa4a: cache = {}; for url in urls: with NamedTemporaryFile as f: cache[url] = f; f.write(urlopen(url).read())
[13:48:31] xa4a: ну и режим перевести по желаению
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[13:51:18] alexey-grom: а нет ничего готового чтобы сам я руками не открывал файл и режимы не менял?
[13:51:38] alexey-grom: какой-то буфер который память не занимает.
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[13:51:44] alexey-grom: вот смотрю может mmap подойдет?
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[13:56:35] Martin: тест...
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[13:58:29] xa4a: Martin: passed.
[13:58:32] Martin: извините, что так передаю так мессаг, но уже два или три раза рвется связь. мб глюки jabber.org. вопрос опять про Django, приглянулась все же :). http://pastebin.com/DF1a5Fmz
[13:58:47] xa4a: alexey-grom: mmap полезный для рандомного доступа к кускам файла, насколько я понимаю
[13:58:56] xa4a: ты так и не сказал, что тебе нужно
[13:59:14] xa4a: для переименования и перемещения файла mmap не нужен
[13:59:32] slav0nic: Martin, блоками может заниматься темплейт тег если очень хочется

[14:01:03] Martin: {% block myblock %} {% endblock %} или {{ myblocks }} ?
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[14:01:40] slav0nic: ты мне блок и перменную показываешь
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[14:04:13] Martin: что-то не понимаю. после роутера управление должно передаваться view, она сгенерит свой контент. но после должен запустится шаблонизатор, который прозрачно скомпилирует страницу (то есть view не должно интересовать как и что там будет дальше. она честно сгенерировала и передала). как-то так.
[14:04:32] slav0nic: ну да
[14:05:00] slav0nic: короче смотри custom template tags, context processors
[14:05:13] slav0nic: если надо что-то глобальное прокидывать везде - то тебе 2е подходит
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[14:12:48] alexey-grom: xa4a, да, я плохо объяснил. нужен некий буфер с такими требованиями 1) в апи нужно скрыть как-что хранится и предоставить удобный интерфейс для чтения/записи, 2) хранить желательно в файле (оперативу нужно экономить etc), 3) это должен быть класс. вот что-то из стдлиб или рядом для этого есть?
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[14:14:19] xa4a: TemporaryFile
[14:14:53] xa4a: в него можно писать и читать; хранит данные на ФС; класс.
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[14:16:17] Martin: хеллоуворд на джанге 1.3 нельзя запустить на 1.2?
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[14:19:33] alexey-grom: xa4a, а как режим то менять после того как туда все запишу? руками переоткрывать через open?
[14:19:55] xa4a: да
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[14:21:44] xa4a: а может и f.seek(0) достаточно будет
[14:22:34] alexey-grom: на чтение мне кажется все равно переоткрывать придется
[14:22:43] xa4a: alexey-grom: http://paste.in.ua/4213/
[14:24:44] alexey-grom: xa4a: спасибо! то что нужно )
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[14:26:06] Martin: в дебиане через apt-get можно удалить старую джангу?
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[14:27:48] slav0nic: деб можно
[14:28:17] slav0nic: http://snapshot.debian.org/
[14:28:24] slav0nic: но смотря на сколько старую)
[14:28:39] Martin: удалился пакет python-django, но пакет все еще можно заимпортить
[14:28:47] Martin: джанга python-django-1.2.3-3+squeeze2
[14:28:51] Martin: Debian 6
[14:29:55] Martin: в путях ее не нашел
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[14:33:54] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
[14:34:37] Martin: easy_install django==1.3.1 рулит)
[14:35:52] xa4a: pip же
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[14:38:21] Martin: пытаюсь запустить под mod_wsgi. есть строка os.environ['DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE'] = 'mysite.settings'. у меня такого конфига нет, только settings.py. создавал в PyCharm проект.
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[14:56:49] wiz: select * from payment_order where context->'spam' = 'bacon';
[14:56:56] wiz: postgresql + hstore рулит
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[14:59:49] Martin: http://pastebin.com/ZGxMHZFu что еще можно предпринять?
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[15:01:58] xa4a: wiz: h - от слова хипстер?
[15:02:32] xa4a: Martin: можно почитать о том, как питон ищет модули
[15:02:47] xa4a: и какой файл он будет искать, если ты напишешь import nya.settings
[15:03:05] Martin: nya/settings может
[15:03:13] xa4a: nya/settings.py, да
[15:03:18] xa4a: а утебя есть такой файл7
[15:03:29] xa4a: в /var/www/nya/data/www/new.nya.ru
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[15:03:58] Martin: /var/www/nya/data/www/new.nya.ru/nya.settings
[15:04:05] Martin: я пробовал и nya
[15:04:17] xa4a: перечитай ещё раз последние сообщения
[15:04:21] xa4a: только теперь внимательно
[15:04:26] xa4a: и сравни с тем, что ты написал
[15:04:28] wiz: xa4a, ага, hipstore.
[15:04:34] xa4a: а потом ls /var/www/nya/data/www/new.nya.ru/nya/settings.py
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[15:05:10] xa4a: wiz: так зачем он нужен?
[15:06:11] wiz: хранить словарь с динамическим хламом рядом с основной записью без извратов с таблицей (parent, key, value)
[15:06:21] xa4a: его, я так понимаю, в ключе использовать нельзя?
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[15:06:39] wiz: сами ключи индексируются
[15:06:44] wiz: составной скорее всего нельзя
[15:09:00] Martin: > ls /var/www/nya/data/www/new.nya.ru/nya/settings.py
ну естессно такого файла не существует. но и конфиг "nya" его тоже не устраивает... мешает папка с доменом?
[15:09:25] xa4a: Martin: нет, иди читай про модули в питоне
[15:09:27] xa4a: и про пакеты
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[15:12:32] Martin: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/modules.html это подойдет? мне что-то кажется, что тут поверхностно рассказывается
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[15:32:48] Martin: ну написано, что сначало ищет в своей либе, потом в папке скрипта, да что ему там еще в path прописали
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[15:42:29] Martin: вкурил. оно хотело модуль заимпортить, а не файл...
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[17:18:39] xa4a: смотрю вот http://pyvideo.org/video/605/ipython-in-depth-high-productivity-interactive-a
[17:18:55] xa4a: рекомендуется
[17:19:05] xa4a: правда 3 часа :\
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[17:40:20] wiz: чем кошерней всего в джангу очереди воткнуть окромя celery?
[17:40:27] wiz: с бэкендом на редисе
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[17:47:09] xa4a: почему кроме celery? снова нужен какой-то hcelery?
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[17:48:15] wiz: а бинсталк не ок?
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[17:51:21] xa4a: ни с тем ни с другим не работал
[17:51:27] xa4a: а celery - не ок?
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[17:53:32] wiz: мне показалось оно черезчур тяжёлое
[17:53:59] wiz: а бинсталк довольно приятен по докам https://github.com/earl/beanstalkc/blob/master/TUTORIAL.mkd
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[18:25:34] gigimon: wiz: целери простое же
[18:25:38] gigimon: и редис умеет
[18:26:12] gigimon: wiz: бинсталк этот судя по доке не умеет демонизироваться?
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[19:38:19] Martin: полагаю, что в джанге лучше везде юзать u'строки', дабы гемора с кириллицей не было?
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[19:44:31] Typhon: from __future__ import unicode_lite
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[19:46:31] xa4a: полагаю, что в .py файлах не стоит использовать кириллицу
[19:47:15] Martin: шаблоны переваривают полностью?
[19:47:22] xa4a: да
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[19:48:06] Martin: текста в коде вряд ли будет, это пока я балуюсь. для комментов хватит указания кодировки. но очень жду джангу 1.5 с поддержкой питона 3.
[19:50:54] Martin: unicode_literals тру. но его нужно указывать в каждом файле?
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[23:17:03] Septem: вопрос, существует ли способ ускороть записать в фаил за памяти?
[23:17:24] Septem: просто мне судя по всему нужно запсать с несоклько гигабайт и это откровенно говоря долго
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[23:18:33] levsha: поставить быстрый сторадж
[23:18:43] Septem: ?
[23:18:43] py_two1: Septem: я думаю тут без черной магии не обойтись. Сходи к бабке какой-то, пусть тебе заговорит компьютер, может быть быстрей будет записываться
[23:18:59] py_two1: Septem: говорят девайс поставь быстрее
[23:19:14] py_two1: Septem: рэйд, не ?
[23:19:58] py_two1: чередование нафик и вперед
[23:20:06] Septem: py_two1: просто запись из памяти 1 гигабайта идёт слишком долго банальное копирование было бы быстрее
[23:20:17] Septem: то есть уже с 10 минут нверное
[23:21:21] levsha: наверное нужно просто производить записть нормально, а не через жопу
[23:21:25] Septem: я понимаю что факториал от 1000000 весит много но всё же
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[23:21:32] Septem: levsha: и как это нормально?
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[23:21:43] levsha: Septem: просто нормально. А ты как пишешь?
[23:21:58] Septem: levsha: f=open("f10000.txt","w") f.write(a)
[23:22:26] Septem: ну и после записи f.close() что не так?
[23:22:47] levsha: и a содержит гигабайт данных?
[23:23:00] Septem: levsha: около того наверное
[23:23:13] py_two1: Septem: ну так а по ходу событий в файл инфо писать нельзя ?
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[23:23:30] Septem: py_two1: думаю конкреткно с факториалом не выёдет
[23:23:34] Septem: выйдет*
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[23:24:13] levsha: кстати а сколько времени вычислялся?
[23:24:18] py_two1: Septem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6524635/writing-to-a-file-with-multiprocessing
[23:24:35] Septem: levsha: стандартный пример на stacless 3305.572000026703
[23:25:12] Septem: долговато конечно но всё же факториал от 1 милиона, да и в 1 поток (только как там распаралелить то да же?)
[23:25:53] levsha: Septem: факториал распаралелить? Да элементарно
[23:26:08] Septem: levsha: а точно
[23:26:20] Septem: вычислять кусочки и перемножать между собой
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[23:26:40] levsha: но вообще у тебя какая-то хрень. a это что?
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[23:26:55] levsha: на современном железе запись должна упираться в производительность диска
[23:27:01] Septem: вот вот
[23:27:05] Septem: а стоп
[23:27:15] Septem: оно ещё и число это втсроку конвектирует
[23:27:16] Septem: ох
[23:27:27] Septem: этож каких размеров то будут строка
[23:27:29] Septem: будет*
[23:27:32] levsha: ыыы
[23:27:41] Septem: кстати
[23:27:56] Septem: есть возможность заставить python использовать своп?
[23:28:04] alexey-grom: Septem: и сколько цифр в факториале 1м?
[23:28:19] Septem: alexey-grom: да хз я не стану даже смотреть на это число пока что
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[23:28:31] Septem: как запишу в файл так и скажу =)
[23:28:39] levsha: Septem: что значит "заставить использовать своп"? Своп контролируется операционкой. Его использование происходит прозрачно для программы
[23:28:54] alexey-grom: Septem, ок, не забудь, интересно
[23:29:22] Septem: alexey-grom: завтравка для 100000 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19243931/f10000.txt
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[23:30:18] Septem: levsha: у меня на винде сейчас своп в 6г, когда я пробовал вычислить что то вдухе 256**256**256 в тот момет когда кончалась именно ОП питон вылетал с ошибкой по памяти
[23:30:26] Septem: винда разумеется 64 бит как и питон
[23:30:36] Septem: python *
[23:31:29] Septem: сейчас правда x32 так как stacless но тестировал на обычном ещё
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[23:31:41] levsha: мне всегда очень нравится когда пересказывают ошибки, или просто упоминают "ошибка по памяти". Нахрена в обработчиках ошибок вообще выводят какую-то информацию ...
[23:32:09] Septem: levsha: ок как запишется воспроизведу и скину
[23:32:51] levsha: Septem: а мне вот интересно: без подсказки, по умолчанию, никогда не возникало мыслей записывать ошибки?
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[23:33:43] alexey-grom: Septem: делай умножение сам чтобы с памятью не вылетала, это медленнее но расход оперативы будет строго фиксированный и размер определишь сам
[23:33:55] Septem: levsha: обычно я ошибки исправляю по мере их появления
[23:33:55] alexey-grom: есть же алгоритм быстрого умножения
[23:34:14] Septem: alexey-grom: по подробнее ?
[23:35:11] Septem: вот кстати stacless делает что то иначе судя по всему. Так как факториал он искал строго в ограниченой памяти не увеличивая её
[23:35:26] Septem: stackless*
[23:35:36] alexey-grom: там на преобразовании Фурье что-то
[23:35:45] alexey-grom: я уже не помню (
[23:35:57] alexey-grom: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A8%D1%91%D0%BD%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5_%E2%80%94_%D0%A8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B0
[23:36:03] alexey-grom: ой
[23:36:28] alexey-grom: страшная ссылка. есть примеры - легко найти
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[23:36:33] Septem: alexey-grom: я подумал об Умножение Карацубы
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[23:37:05] alexey-grom: да, это тоже, только на Фурье считается лучче )
[23:38:07] Septem: alexey-grom: занятный способ кстати
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[23:38:35] Septem: 5565709 - это символов в строке?)
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[23:39:05] Septem: ну кому текстовичок в 5мб ? =)
[23:39:17] Septem: сейчас только залью
[23:39:23] Septem: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19243931/f1000000.txt
[23:39:54] Septem: alexey-grom:
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[23:40:04] alexey-grom: ага, смотрю )
[23:40:10] alexey-grom: уже посчитал?
[23:40:32] Septem: считал он 3305.572000026703 секунд
[23:40:39] Septem: сколько записывал хз =)
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