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[00:10:55] alexey-grom: Tony: если я форкону 4 процесса и мне хватит на хера мне тащить зависимость типа rabbitmq объясни? хотя лучше не объясняй, а иди напиши какуй-нибудь херню на джанге
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[00:11:29] Tony: я очень надеюсь что ты потом сам поймешь
[00:11:31] alexey-grom: а ошибку это можно десятком способов вызвать и багов на нее закомитили уже дохера, так что не пизди умник
[00:11:47] Tony: дохуя умный зачем спрашиваешь?
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[00:22:57] alexey-grom: таких умных послушать и вообще не понятно зачем столько фреймворков и библиотек пишется постоянно. ну давайте всего по одному оставим и запретим свое писать. зачем пирамид если в джангу весь пхп уже скопипастили - выкинуть все кроме нее. зачем мультипроцессинг в стдлиб пылится, архаизм - выкинуть..
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[00:23:25] alexey-grom: я пишу этот конвеер под задачу, будто конкурировать с каким-то mq собираюсь, ага
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[00:27:54] Tony: я так и думал что такой яростный гик-гемороискатель относится к миру pylons
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[00:28:26] Tony: ну а субд ты тоже свою пишешь под конкретную задачу? не дай б-г попсу заюзать
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[00:31:49] alexey-grom: я вообще не отнушусь в вебдеву так что и тут мимо
[00:32:44] alexey-grom: но по средней адекватности пользователей джанги и пирамид стереотип имею
[00:32:48] Tony: тем более если не юзаешь веб, зачем такой геморрой на борту?
[00:35:18] alexey-grom: именно потому что не отношусь у меня задачи другие и они обуславливают ограничения в средствах, и подход не определяется тупым прикручиванием всего подряд
[00:35:48] alexey-grom: и это не такой гемор самому рулить такими вещами, там ничего архисложного нет
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[05:09:05] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[06:02:38] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[11:49:20] svv: никто не подскажет, как указать менеджер для реверсивных связей?
[11:49:26] svv: то есть user.entry_set
[11:49:40] svv: django.db.models.fields.related.RelatedManager
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[11:52:32] svv: указал use_for_related_fields = True для менеджера, но все равно используется дефолтный
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[13:00:40] webninja: ну да, прикручивать не всегда удобно
[13:00:54] webninja: всякие ampmq, rabbitmq
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[13:06:27] gigimon: webninja: celery через редис прикручивается очень легко
[13:06:31] gigimon: все зависит от задачи
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[13:14:36] webninja: ну да
[13:14:39] webninja: я просто представляю
[13:14:50] webninja: например кто-то сайтик небольшой хочет )
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[14:31:33] gigimon: webninja: маленькому сайту тоже можно celery
[14:32:33] webninja: ну хз не на всякий хостинг наверное реально вонзить
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[14:34:49] gigimon: хостинг
[14:34:54] gigimon: да забудьте про хостинг, впс!
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[14:35:17] gigimon: если сайту нужны задачи, для которых поточность нужна и долгаяо бработка, какой в жопу хостинг
[14:36:04] webninja: ну да ) придерживаюсь таких же взглядов просто представил теоретическую ситуацию
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[14:57:35] alexey-grom: какие могут быть причины для двухэтапного конвеера юзать celery, если она у меня дает 2/3 нагрузки на машину?
[14:57:40] alexey-grom: чтобы потом такое постить http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4346318/celery-minimize-memory-consumption ?
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[14:57:59] alexey-grom: или скрипеть зубами и держать ферму серверов?
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[14:59:04] alexey-grom: где хайлоад и сайтики, это имеет смысл, когда меньше всего хочется заниматься многопроцессовостью
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[15:05:05] gigimon: все зависит от задач, опять таки
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[15:05:24] alexey-grom: плюс как в джанге навязываемая структура проекта, сильное усложнение архитектуры, сотни декораторов etc
[15:05:49] alexey-grom: вот и давайте исходить что все зависит от задачи, а не орать капсом "велосипед"
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[15:10:22] alexey-grom: все это ерунда конечно, и celery - кошерно, но она по большому счету расчитана на дохера оперативы.
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[15:10:29] gigimon: я хочу матернуться и спросить
[15:10:35] gigimon: ХУЛИ ВЫ ДОЕБАЛИСЬ ДО ДЖАНГИ?
[15:10:41] gigimon: причем тут она вообще
[15:10:53] gigimon: ночной срач к джанге вообще отношения не имел
[15:10:57] gigimon: со стороны Tony
[15:11:48] alexey-grom: джанга харизматичный пример на любой случай из жизни
[15:12:01] alexey-grom: и до нее никто не доебывался
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[15:51:55] svv: так никто не вкурсе насчет RelatedManager?
[15:52:35] svv: нужно, чтобы при использовании конкретной модели использовалась бд отличная от дефолтной
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[15:53:04] svv: сделал через using - переопределил менеджер, метод save, но при связях не выходит так
[15:53:20] svv: user.product_set все равно использует дефолтную бд
[15:53:31] svv: попробовал с роутами - то же
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[16:07:45] wiz: ну сделай что-нибудь
[16:07:56] wiz: а что с роутами не сработало?
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[16:09:06] svv: на связях тоже не пашет
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[16:15:11] wiz: а что ты сделал для того чтобы оно начало пахать?
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[16:29:08] svv: wiz, ну так я спрашивал как можно переопределить RelatedManager для этой модели
[16:29:24] svv: wiz: по другому я хз как
[16:29:36] wiz: а при чём тут роуты и менеджер?
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[16:31:11] xa4a: wiz: realted - manager
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[16:32:28] xa4a: svv: а что тебе мешает его просто переопределить?
[16:33:08] xa4a: calss Blog(db.Model): entry_set = MyManager()
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[16:35:36] xa4a: svv: вот ещё что-то похожее по ключевым словам https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/db/managers/#set-use-for-related-fields-when-you-define-the-class
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[16:36:01] xa4a: (я не читал, и не делал того, что ты хочешь, просто вбил в гугл твой запарос)
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[16:37:00] svv: xa4a: не, немного не то.
[16:38:04] svv: xa4a: насчет entry_set = MyManager - а как его к юзеру подкрепить. user.entry_set...
[16:38:39] xa4a: from django.contrib.auth.models import User; User.entry_set = MyManager() ?
[16:38:42] xa4a: манкипатчить?
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[16:39:08] svv: а затупил
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[16:39:28] svv: None пробовал манкипатчить, а он игнрит его и свой создает.
[16:39:37] svv: игнорит*
[16:39:49] svv: да, так и сделаю тогда
[16:39:51] svv: спасибо
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[16:49:43] svv: фак. мб я что-то не так делаю. джанга его похоже заново создает
[16:50:06] svv: я плохой манкипатчер :D
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[16:50:43] svv: т.е. я где-то в account/models.py написал User.entry_set = SharedManager()
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[16:51:26] svv: но если в shell'e делать - уже стандартный RelatedManager
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[17:02:40] xa4a: а ты из щела импортировал свой модуль в котором манкипатчишь?
[17:03:25] svv: да
[17:03:38] svv: xa4a: я даже в корневой urls пробовал
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[17:07:54] madmercen: а что такое манкипатчить?
[17:08:08] webninja: делать то, что по идее лучше бы не делать
[17:08:30] webninja: за это руки отрывают в приличном обществе )
[17:08:43] madmercen: )
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[17:19:36] xa4a: madmercen: значит подменять атрибуты чужих модулей/классов/объектов
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[19:00:22] огыешсук: А вот такой вопрос. Разве в одеске лидам не 20 платят?
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[19:08:46] xa4a: А такой: разве в одеске не сколько попросишь платят?
[19:09:46] огыешсук: я имею в виду в одеске, а не на одеске
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[20:43:37] Tony: gigimon: джанга php в мире python sad but
[20:43:45] Tony: true
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[23:52:22] bobry: Tony: почему это?
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[23:53:22] bobry: """Tony: gigimon: джанга php в мире python sad but """
[23:53:39] Tony: потому что выше про манкипатчинг все правильно сказали
[23:53:59] Tony: во вторых 99.9% 3rd party приложекний присали какие-то ушлепки которые впервые видели питон и джангу заодно
[23:54:08] Tony: типа django-filebrowser
[23:54:11] bobry: какое это отношение имеет к самому фреймворку?
[23:54:27] bobry: php говно не потому что на нем написано много говна
[23:54:43] bobry: а в первую очередь из за ущербного дизайна самого языка и related штук типа stdlib
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[23:59:42] Tony: вот и джанго говно
[23:59:50] Tony: потому что контрибы уебизе
[23:59:54] Tony: *уебище
[23:59:59] Tony: в первую очередь