[00:00:00] gigimon: чем тебя это смущает
[00:00:31] Septem: не знаю, просто можно накосячить вызвая приватные функции
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[00:00:40] gigimon: не вызывайте
[00:00:51] gigimon: обзывайте с _
[00:01:04] Septem: я сижу думаю, у меня вот в стратежке есть пара глобальных данных: карта, параметры поля, текуший игрок
[00:01:15] Septem: передовтаь каждой функции их как то не красиво выходит
[00:01:19] gigimon: ну вот
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[00:01:23] Septem: наверное стоит сделать синглетон ?
[00:01:27] gigimon: синглтон решит проблему глобальной переменной
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[00:02:21] Septem: gigimon: не знаю меня вот напрягает создавать класс для 1 обьекта
[00:02:33] Septem: ну как то со значением класс не увязывается
[00:02:47] gigimon: ну сделай карту классом
[00:02:57] gigimon: добавь пару методов полезных
[00:03:06] gigimon: наверняка есть идеи для функций к карте
[00:03:11] Septem: карта - список обьектов класса
[00:03:22] Septem: хех)
[00:03:25] gigimon: ну в нее выборки можно засунуть
[00:03:29] gigimon: или еще что
[00:03:41] gigimon: наверняка есть функции для выборки и еще чего-нить
[00:03:45] gigimon: зафигарить в класс
[00:03:57] Septem: хм есть функция поиска соседных клеток
[00:04:11] Septem: в целом да стоит опистаь всё это как карту
[00:04:29] Septem: я вот хочу разнести отдельно класс самой клетки и по подклассу на каждый тип клетки
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[00:06:27] Septem: gigimon: как коректно реализовать удаление экземпляра класса?
[00:06:43] Septem: ну снесли башенку надо же её убрать я то сейчас просто меняю тип
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[00:08:12] Septem: gigimon: есть идеи?
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[00:13:15] gigimon: del(object)
[00:13:39] gigimon: удалит объект любой
[00:13:45] Septem: смотрю задания dropquest вспомнил что dropbox написан на python
[00:14:04] Septem: мне ещё же нужно следить как то за тем что обьект снёсся и понимать какой сейчас обьект у клетки
[00:14:05] Septem: хех
[00:14:17] gigimon: я хз что ты делаешь)
[00:14:32] Septem: хех
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[00:15:32] gigimon: Septem: юзаешь pygame?
[00:15:35] Septem: да
[00:15:43] Septem: мне в целом понравилось
[00:15:49] gigimon: статью на нагл видел, где объясняется как писать rogue-like игру?
[00:16:04] Septem: врятли
[00:16:09] Septem: хотя млжет и видел
[00:16:14] Septem: может*
[00:16:23] Septem: что за стаья?
[00:16:25] Septem: статья*
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[00:17:02] gigimon: http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/feb/13/pygame-getting-started/
[00:17:06] gigimon: вот, это первая часть
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[00:17:16] gigimon: потом их там штук 6 вроде
[00:17:22] gigimon: и как двери делать и как карту и противников
[00:17:32] gigimon: раз в 2-3 недели пишет по статье
[00:18:10] Septem: gigimon: у меня свои фитчи есть так как стратегия, сейчас вот думаю как вынести в отдельный поток обработку кликов мышкой
[00:19:42] gigimon: почитай для развития
[00:19:49] Septem: да надо
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[00:20:02] gigimon: а еще туториал питона перечитай
[00:20:03] xa4a: Tony: User.fields['email'].unique = True?
[00:20:40] xa4a: gigimon: del же не удалит объект
[00:20:46] Tony: xa4a, ага а теперь добавить middle name или full name
[00:20:54] gigimon: xa4a: как так?
[00:20:55] Tony: и понеслась, досвидания миграции досвидания остальное
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[00:21:08] xa4a: gigimon: удаляет только одну ссылку же
[00:21:15] gigimon: э
[00:21:19] gigimon: да?
[00:21:28] xa4a: !pydoc del
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[00:22:15] gigimon: да вот тоже открыл, не вижу про 1 ссылку
[00:22:28] gigimon: It is illegal to delete a name from the local namespace if it occurs as a free variable in a nested block.
[00:22:39] xa4a: Tony: я вообще начал бы с того, что в SQL написал бы constraint
[00:22:56] Tony: xa4a, в итоге так и придется сделать
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[00:23:09] Tony: потому что unique=True не сделает уникальным вне зависимости от регистра
[00:23:09] xa4a: gigimon: Deletion of a name removes the binding of that name from the local or global namespace
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[00:23:24] gigimon: ты прав, да
[00:23:44] xa4a: gigimon: если две ссылки на один объект - одна удалится
[00:23:58] xa4a: если изначально одна была - она удалится. а сам объект удалится только когда GC соизволит
[00:24:02] gigimon: ну тогда ручками искать где они есть и удалять ^_^
[00:24:17] xa4a: или не удалять..
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[00:25:10] xa4a: Tony: не вижу ничего зазорного в том, чтобы переопределить свой класс User как хочется и вманкипатчить его в django.contrib.auth.models
[00:25:15] xa4a: только вот вопрос: как бы тебе хотелось это сделать лучше?
[00:25:33] Tony: xa4a, чтобы в сеттингах была опция AUTH_USER_CLASS
[00:25:34] xa4a: и чтобы контрибы все сразу изкоробки подхватили бы
[00:25:40] xa4a: хм
[00:25:42] Tony: хочешь переопределяй
[00:25:46] Tony: хочешь юзай встроенный
[00:26:01] Tony: ну понятно с сохранением интерфейса если переопределяешь
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[00:26:41] xa4a: это чем-то кардинально отличается от вманкипатчивания своего класса?
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[00:28:07] xa4a: то есть я не считаю то, что надо писать models.User = MyUser вместо AUTH_USER_CLASS = 'my_models.User' значит, что джанга - говно
[00:29:30] gigimon: Tony: если не секрет, для чего ты это хочешь?
[00:29:52] xa4a: уникальный имейл?
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[00:30:04] Tony: да далеко не только
[00:30:13] Tony: к примеру изменишь ты модель юзера
[00:30:17] Tony: админка не поменяется сама
[00:30:29] xa4a: нет?
[00:30:30] Tony: админку тоже манкипатчить
[00:30:42] xa4a: она разве не какой-то там ModelAdmin?
[00:30:45] gigimon: расскажи для чего?
[00:30:48] xa4a: который автогенерится
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[00:30:57] Tony: gigimon, кастомизировать юзера для чего же еще
[00:31:05] gigimon: профили?
[00:31:06] Tony: практически в каждом проекте у меня такое требуется
[00:31:16] gigimon: ну, чем профили не катят для кастомизации
[00:31:18] Tony: профили все не сделают к примеру кникальный емейл уникальный юзернейм
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[00:31:38] Tony: gigimon, емейла будет два значит в профиле и в юзере нахуй так жить?
[00:31:39] gigimon: уникальность можно на уровне создания юзера сделать
[00:31:53] Tony: это не решение
[00:31:54] xa4a: на уровне субд, йомана
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[00:32:01] gigimon: ну тогда бери фласк
[00:32:03] gigimon: и не парься
[00:32:09] gigimon: ну или вон хача прав
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[00:32:20] Tony: models.User = MyUser # это разве остальные контрибы которые юзают юзера тоже подтянут?
[00:32:23] gigimon: или исходники поправь
[00:32:31] xa4a: Tony: да, вполне
[00:32:38] gigimon: это ж моникпатчинг
[00:32:42] gigimon: главнео пораньше переопределить
[00:32:44] xa4a: как минимум те, которые делают позднее связывание
[00:32:46] Tony: gigimon, ну я джангу еще не форкал только
[00:33:12] xa4a: т.е. не from .. import User, а from … import models, а потом models.User
[00:33:16] Tony: xa4a, вот не уверен, так пробовал делать еще в 1.0 уже не помню что не работало
[00:33:46] xa4a: я тоже не уверен, да
[00:34:27] Tony: в последнем проекте юзерадминку я вообще переписал
[00:34:32] Tony: ну т.е свой ModelAdmin
[00:34:38] Tony: но тоже криво ведь
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[00:37:17] xa4a: а к icfpc кто-то готовится?
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[00:46:00] Tony: он on site проходит?
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[00:55:47] xa4a: э.. вряд ли
[00:55:50] xa4a: как обычно
[00:56:17] xa4a: The ICFP Programming Contest dates have been announced. The contest will run from Friday 13 July 12:00 GMT to Monday 16 July 12:00 GMT.
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[01:21:48] xa4a: кому-то не хватало для счастья requests + gevent: https://github.com/kennethreitz/grequests
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[01:24:06] alexey-grom: что-то там ничего принциально иного чем в requests.async
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[01:33:37] alexey-grom: эта связка работает медленнее pycurl и с виндой не дружит до сих пор
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[01:42:02] alexey-grom: а, они теперь дропнули async из requests зачем-то
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[01:45:27] gigimon: винда фуфуфуъ
[01:45:36] gigimon: а сами gevent с виндой вообще работают?
[01:46:01] alexey-grom: да, на ура
[01:46:36] alexey-grom: там замуты из-за httplib в requests, он асинхронно не работает с gevent
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[10:08:17] webninja: def save(self, *args, **kwargs): хм а можно внутри модели получить инстанс?
[10:08:24] webninja: текущий
[10:09:42] webninja: чото не могу вкурить )
[10:10:06] webninja: хочу в сэйв прописать чтобы в таблицу Updates запись еще делалась
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[11:31:53] xa4a: текущий - то есть старый?
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[11:37:39] webninja: ну ээ
[11:38:12] webninja: ну т.е. в момент сохранения модели хочу еще в Updates записать
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[12:02:11] xa4a: в чём проблема?
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[12:28:55] webninja: http://dumpz.org/207746/
[12:28:57] webninja: пока так делаю
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[13:08:59] xa4a: а) ты вытаскиеваешь Event, скорее всего, непо индексу. почему не Event.get(pk=self.pk) ?
б) вместо того, чтобы сохранять Update со старым объектом, сохраняй Update с новым. к следующему изменению он станет автоматически апдейтом для старого значения
[13:09:15] xa4a: ну и вообще
[13:09:19] xa4a: сигнал pre_save
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[13:58:40] webninja: сек
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[14:14:34] webninja: чото я вообще не понял как это там что автоматически станет )
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[14:33:18] xa4a: нуэ
[14:33:26] xa4a: просто пиши апдейт с новыми данными, а не со старыми
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[14:37:58] webninja: а, да делаю уже
[14:38:09] webninja: а что сигнал какие-то преимущества даст?
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[14:42:36] xa4a: вынесет из модели код
[14:42:50] xa4a: который не имеет к ней непосредственного отношения
[14:43:20] xa4a: например одним обработчиком ты же захочешь обрабатывать сигналы от разных моделей?
[14:43:37] xa4a: чтобы не менять в каждой из них save аналогичным образом
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[14:50:14] webninja: да, точно
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[14:50:29] webninja: я думал просто у меня модели наследуются от abstract base class
[14:50:35] webninja: вот там этот метод разместить
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[14:56:39] webninja: ух работает как надо ) осилил generic relations как советовал xa4a
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[14:57:02] webninja: щаз посмотрю как с сигналами
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[15:26:52] webninja: в сигналы не передать чтоли переменную?
[15:27:03] webninja: post_save.connect(
save_update, sender=Event, display=False)
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а он пишет
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[15:37:49] andreyjkee: в синланы можно передать только слоты :)
[15:37:58] andreyjkee: сигналы*
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[18:27:26] Martin: добрый вечер
[18:27:45] Martin: байт-код питона в пределах минорных версий совместим?
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[19:50:38] spliner: ку
[19:52:12] spliner: господа , помогите. питон + смд на винде output=os.popen('dir').read() . выдаёт в ®¬ ў гбва®©б⢥ D ­Ґ Ё¬ҐҐв ¬ҐвЄЁ. как перегнать в 866
[19:52:25] spliner: питн 3
[19:52:55] Martin: очень надо кириллицу в консоли винды?
[19:53:10] spliner: угу
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[19:53:43] Martin: мб encode()/decode() поможет?
[19:53:54] spliner: пробовал через bytes но в итоге имею UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode
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[19:54:46] mrDoctorWho.: .decode
[19:54:48] mrDoctorWho.: ща
[19:54:58] Martin: encode('cp866')
[19:55:12] mrDoctorWho.: if os.name == "posix":
cmd = "sh -c \"%s\" 2>&1" % (cmd.encode("utf-8"))
elif os.name == "nt":
cmd = cmd.encode("cp1251")
shell = os.popen(cmd)
result = shell.read()
if os.name == "nt": result = result.decode("cp866")
if not result: result = "Done."

[19:55:28] spliner: о круто ) .. погнал тестить
[19:55:33] Martin: или decode. не выводил просто кириллицу в коде питона
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[19:57:43] spliner: питон 3.2 гониш еррор :AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'
[19:57:59] Martin: нет метода
[19:58:14] spliner: угу
[19:58:15] mrDoctorWho.: а.
[19:58:17] mrDoctorWho.: питон 3
[19:58:23] spliner: помоему в 3ем там иначе как то
[19:58:26] mrDoctorWho.: блин. Не помню как.
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[19:58:38] Martin: python 3 string decode
[19:58:41] Martin: в гугл
[19:58:47] mrDoctorWho.: надо bytes()
[19:58:49] mrDoctorWho.: вроде
[19:59:15] spliner: ну так вот bytes мне и выдаёт еррор с юникодом
[19:59:21] spliner: UnicodeEncodeError: 'charmap' codec can't encode
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[19:59:51] Martin: byte(str).decode()?
[19:59:51] spliner: именно на cp866.. в cp1251 как бы теоретически перегоняет, но
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[20:00:10] spliner: bytes(st, "cp866")
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[20:02:42] spliner: результат работы output = bytes(output, "cp1251") b' \x92\xae\xac \xa2 \xe3\xe1\xe2\xe0\xae\xa9\xe1\xe2\xa2\xa5
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[20:03:07] spliner: как бы отрабатывает , но на выходе не та кодировка
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[20:04:12] Martin: как можно перевести имя файла из верхнего в нижний регистр? os.rename() не помогает, так как винда и исключение мол файл существует (так как проверка идет без учета регистра)
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[20:12:49] mrDoctorWho.: .lower()?
[20:13:01] mrDoctorWho.: работа со стрингами
[20:13:13] mrDoctorWho.: 1й класс, простите
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[20:14:19] spliner: кароч гугл ничего не дал. 3.1 была бага с кодовыми таблицами, но вроде как всё пофиксили уже. что делать хз.
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[20:14:44] Martin: http://pastebin.com/F1n5EqcK вот такой код. только мучаюсь с unexpected indent, хотя везде только 4 пробела
[20:16:25] Martin: except все же требуется..
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[20:20:51] spliner: ПОБЕДА!!. Если кому пригодиться (# -*- coding: utf-8-*- .... бла бла бла output = bytes(output, "cp1251").decode("cp866") ) - ето работает!
[20:21:35] spliner: Martin: Спасибо !!!
[20:22:20] Martin: не за что. но и mrDoctorWho тоже тоже помогал).
[20:22:26] spliner: угу)
[20:22:37] spliner: спасибо!!
[20:22:49] Martin: почти Django на кпк запустил
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[20:44:27] truman: Привет всем!
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[20:45:00] truman: Я начинающий, я начинающий посоветуйте с чего начать изучать этот замечательный язык.
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[20:45:19] Martin: книга лутца
[20:45:32] Martin: можно мануал почитать, если инглишь норм
[20:45:40] truman: А как называется и инциалы автора, если не сложно?
[20:45:46] Martin: марк лутц
[20:45:49] Martin: изучаем питон
[20:45:55] Martin: издание на русском вроде 4 есть
[20:45:58] Martin: оно про питон 2 и 3
[20:46:03] truman: Теперь "глупые" вопросы
[20:46:32] truman: Питон язык .... логического, фукнционального, процедурного программирования?
[20:46:50] Martin: объектно ориентированный язык
[20:47:01] Martin: есть примеси из функциональных языков
[20:47:23] truman: Он похож на LISP?
[20:47:38] truman: или Хаскель?
[20:47:46] Martin: нет
[20:48:05] Martin: только черты имеет. вроде ** и lambda выбрали из них.
[20:48:25] Martin: вообще можно нагуглить код питона, лиспа, хаскелла и сравнить
[20:48:36] Martin: хоть в вики
[20:48:36] truman: Я встречал вставки на питоне для ИИ
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[20:48:53] truman: Он в основном используется для ИИ?
[20:49:37] Martin: что за логическое программирование - я фз. но гугль говорит, что доказательства в математике. ну так то можно всего скорей, но обычно юзают эти ваши лиспы и хаскелы для такого.
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[20:49:48] Martin: питон - скриптовой язык общего назначения
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[20:49:55] truman: логическое, типичный представитьтель Пролог
[20:49:57] Martin: так что юзается много где
[20:49:57] truman: )
[20:50:08] truman: Мой любимый Пролог
[20:50:54] Martin: прологи, фортаны - древние языки... их разве что для математики сейчас юзают
[20:51:22] Martin: а так на питоне пишут хоть веб, хоть десктоп, хоть игры даже казуальные (ну и 3д тоже можно)
[20:51:26] truman: Объектный пролог до сих пор есть
[20:51:32] truman: 7.4 версия
[20:51:33] truman: и выше
[20:51:51] truman: А есть ИСР для питона?
[20:52:01] Martin: что?
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[20:52:31] truman: IDE
[20:52:35] Martin: но все же эти языки малоиспользуемые. даже паскаль загибается.
[20:52:41] Martin: естессно есть
[20:53:19] truman: Я работаю на VC++,QT,C#
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[20:53:50] truman: Но часто встречаю вставки на питоне
[20:54:03] Martin: от себя посоветую Sublime Text 2 - редактор с зачатком автодополнения, кстати на питоне написан. и IDE - PyCharm. оба платны, первый так то можно не покупать. он из редка будет просить купить при сохранении. второй платный, но можно триалы, беты юзать. цены вообще вменяемы. последний под опен сурс проект можно выклянчать.
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[20:54:20] Martin: можно еще писать в Эклипсе. там есть плагин PyDev.
[20:54:37] truman: На лине есть компиляторы
[20:54:39] truman: под питон
[20:54:47] Martin: но если в эклипсе на Java еще вполне можно писать, то питон имхо не особо развит. PyCharm намного удобнее.
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[20:54:54] spliner: PyScripter мне понр
[20:54:59] Martin: эм. питон вообще интерпретируемый язык.
[20:55:07] truman: Я немного юзал Java
[20:55:16] Martin: дефолтная и самая популярная реализация CPython по крайней мере
[20:55:26] Martin: есть интерпретаторы под линукс
[20:55:33] Martin: да под все платформы есть :D
[20:55:44] spliner: под ios нету :D
[20:55:45] Martin: хоть под кпк, сейчас играюсь с ним.
[20:55:50] truman: У CPython есть IDE?
[20:56:10] truman: Вы про CISCO ос?
[20:56:16] Martin: эпл
[20:56:20] spliner: =)
[20:56:36] Martin: ну если заджейлить айфон, то там уникс. собирай @ компилярь.
[20:56:47] truman: Мас ОS
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[20:56:55] truman: хорошая ось
[20:56:55] Martin: естессно есть
[20:57:02] truman: ок спс
[20:57:10] truman: А под линь ?
[20:57:18] Martin: _везде_
[20:57:23] truman: ясно
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[20:57:43] Martin: даже на андроиде, windows mobile, симбиан, всякая фигня с линуксом
[20:58:07] Martin: на счет иде я ответил. особой привязки нет к реализациям.
[20:58:28] truman: Видимо это как с QT
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[20:58:56] Martin: разве в том же Jython будет доступ к Java классам. мб в каком-то пудеве для эклипса не будет пахать автодополнение и анализ.
[20:59:31] Martin: или в Cython и что-то подобном, которое компилирует, транслирует в си придется придерживаться строгости в коде
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[21:00:22] truman: Идея использовать для ИИ в приложениях и стыковать вставки с си
[21:00:33] Martin: там не сложно
[21:00:48] truman: Да я видел, многие так делают
[21:00:55] truman: вот хочу изучить
[21:01:00] truman: еще раз спс
[21:01:01] Martin: на хабре статьи были
[21:01:11] Martin: мол пишем расширение, мол запускаем питон из си
[21:01:30] Martin: хотя что-то Lua часто юзают для скриптинга
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[21:01:40] truman: С прологом сложно выходит
[21:01:59] truman: ну да ладно спс
[21:01:59] Martin: скриптинг чего вообще? игры?
[21:02:00] truman: исчезаю
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[21:02:27] levsha: ИИ на питоне. Круть
[21:03:19] mrDoctorWho.: чо?
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[21:10:05] xa4a: ИИ на лиспе?
[21:10:26] xa4a: я вообще не понимал никогда, чем лисп вообще связан с ии?
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[21:11:39] Martin: ИИ в игровых движках обычно на плюсах пишутся. я что-то понял, что челу нужен скриптовой язык.
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[21:12:02] alexey-grom: тем что на лиспе экспертные системы писали, а это с некоторой натяжкой ИИ
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[21:12:37] alexey-grom: ну т.е. хотя бы этим лисп связан с ИИ
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[21:15:12] alexey-grom: вот в вики про это и есть кстати ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Экспертная_система
[21:15:35] Martin: /me таки запустил Django на кпк (WinMobile 6.5, 800 мгц, 100 мб озу, python 2.5, django 1.3.1, sqlite3)
[21:16:05] Martin: но медленно работает конечно
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[21:18:19] Martin: админку уже лень чинить. но так то работает.
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[21:36:49] xa4a: alexey-grom: но вот чем на лиспе экспертная система отличается от ЭС на любом другом языке?
[21:36:54] xa4a: на прологе ещё понятно..
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[21:41:14] alexey-grom: ничем не отличается. просто это достаточно широко практиковалось, меньше чем на прологе, но было общепризнанным применением лиспа. вопрос из разряда: чем сайт на питоне отличается от сайта на любом другом языке ;)
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