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[11:18:27] gigimon: чуваки, а ни у кого нет знакомых работающих в киевском яндексе?
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[11:25:16] cutwater: mishok13: Привет. Тебе уже билеты / бронь сделали?
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[11:25:25] mishok13: да
[11:25:27] cutwater: кул
[11:25:35] cutwater: Где остановился?
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[11:26:51] cutwater: mishok13: у нас тут в Харькове будет локальная конференция. Меня все пытаются вызвать в докладчики. Я без понятия о чем можно рассказать. Буду чувствую рассказывать о тонкостях множественного наследование в питоне, порядках доступа к аттрибутам. Это ок или банально и не интересно?
[11:27:13] mishok13: интересность доклада только от тебя самого зависит
[11:27:23] mishok13: можно про тривиальные вещи рассказывать захватывающе
[11:27:50] mishok13: остановился недалеко от конфы
[11:28:03] cutwater: Где если не секрет?
[11:28:05] mishok13: буквально в одном квартале, на берегу реки :)
[11:28:11] cutwater: Название
[11:28:48] mishok13: Best Western Hotel River
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[11:29:08] cutwater: Понятно
[11:29:11] mishok13: http://www.hotelriver.com/
[11:29:12] cutwater: Мы в Arno Bellariva
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[11:37:35] gigimon: на пайконф едете?
[11:37:49] aries.ua: Народ, кто нить юзал django-moderation?
[11:39:30] mishok13: европитон
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[12:49:43] alexey-grom: c pyv8 никто не работал? с кириллицей проблемы решали как-то?
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[12:54:18] xa4a: а какие могут быть проблемы?
[12:54:29] alexey-grom: говорит UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 170: ordinal not in range(128)
[12:54:41] alexey-grom: я ему в каком виде должен дать строку?
[12:54:56] alexey-grom: если у меня там кириллица есть
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[12:55:12] xa4a: а что написано в документации?
[12:55:28] alexey-grom: её вроде как нету
[12:55:28] xa4a: (где лучшая "документация" - исходники)
[12:55:34] xa4a: ;)
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[12:55:56] alexey-grom: я к сожалению не осиливаю их
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[12:56:13] alexey-grom: тем более все скомрилировано в .so, а так искать где хз
[12:56:28] xa4a: падает - в питоне
[12:56:44] xa4a: ну как бы.. ты туда, видимо, передаёшь юникодный объект?
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[12:56:59] xa4a: следовало ожидать, что это должно работать
[12:57:08] xa4a: с вменяемой библоитекой
[12:57:19] alexey-grom: уже по всякому пробовал. и unicode, да, и str в utf-8
[12:57:47] xa4a: это два варианта, которые я бы попробовал прежде, чем идти писать баг/ковырять исходники
[12:57:54] xa4a: ноэ..
[12:58:01] xa4a: а str в utf8 что говорит?
[12:58:43] alexey-grom: да тоже UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 170: ordinal not in range(128)
[12:59:34] xa4a: но наверно, уже в другом месте?
[12:59:49] alexey-grom: не-не, там же. на одном и том же месте
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[13:00:02] xa4a: может хоть трейсбек тогда?
[13:00:10] alexey-grom: показать?
[13:00:12] xa4a: да
[13:00:15] alexey-grom: сейчас
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[13:00:54] alexey-grom: вот http://dumpz.org/211146/
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[13:01:24] alexey-grom: вот ctxt.eval(script), в контекст уходит, и там падает
[13:01:36] alexey-grom: eval уже вроде как в so
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[13:02:04] xa4a: а, хм
[13:02:17] xa4a: может в джаваскрипте просто нельзя не-ascii символы?
[13:02:36] xa4a: и кириллицу надо \u000 эскейпить
[13:02:36] alexey-grom: можно, но это и не мой js.
[13:03:01] alexey-grom: хм. попробую заэскейпить и потом выполнять
[13:03:14] xa4a: str(tag.string.encode('utf-8')) тут str() лишний
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[13:03:25] alexey-grom: ну это чтобы наверняка )
[13:03:32] xa4a: питон не третий ведь?
[13:03:35] alexey-grom: нет
[13:04:11] alexey-grom: читал про pyv8, там вроде как даже идентификаторы можно юникодом называть. но у меня чего даже так не получается
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[13:09:08] alexey-grom: xa4a: а чем эскейпить то принято в таких случаях?
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[13:10:28] xa4a: эм.. хз..
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[13:11:05] xa4a: о!
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[13:11:55] xa4a: >>> print unicode('лала', 'utf-8').encode('ascii', 'backslashreplace')
\u043b\u0430\u043b\u0430
[13:12:51] alexey-grom: абалдеть
[13:12:54] alexey-grom: заработало )
[13:13:02] alexey-grom: xa4a: спасибо!
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[15:46:18] aries.ua: Подскажите как в SQLAlchemy сделать запрос вида
select t.name, (select count(*) from t2 where t2.id - t1.id) as nCount from t1
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[15:50:47] mishok13: t2.id - t1.id?
[15:50:51] mishok13: это как?
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[15:55:36] aries.ua: сорри
t2.id = t1.id
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[15:55:58] aries.ua: select t2.name, (select count(*) from t2 where t2.id = t1.id) as nCount from t1
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[15:56:55] mishok13: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/orm/tutorial.html#using-subqueries прямо в туториале
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[15:57:37] mishok13: хотя наверное стоит джойн просто написать
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[15:58:30] aries.ua: интересный подход
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[16:00:05] xa4a: наверное??
[16:00:10] xa4a: aries.ua: у тебя какая субд?
[16:00:41] mishok13: xa4a, ну может человек под сиквеллайт пишет
[16:00:46] aries.ua: gjcnuhtc
[16:00:50] aries.ua: Postgres
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[16:01:07] xa4a: mishok13: а что с ним?
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[16:02:39] mishok13: The current implementation of SQLite uses only loop joins. That is to say, joins are implemented as nested loops.
[16:02:51] mishok13: они явно неоптимальны в нем
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[16:04:04] xa4a: ну.. в mysql тоже проблема с вложенными запросами
[16:04:20] xa4a: я и говорю "наверное??" в смысле, что надо говорить "абсолютно точно"
[16:04:24] xa4a: надо переписать джойнами
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[16:08:52] aries.ua: и как это красиво сделать? :)
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[16:12:38] xa4a: select count(t2.id) as nCount from t2, t1 where t2.id = t1.id ?
[16:12:53] xa4a: select t1.id, count(t2.id) as nCount from t2, t1 where t2.id = t1.id group by t1.id?
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[16:13:28] aries.ua: ок, как это на SQLAlchemy сделать?
[16:13:38] xa4a: ни разу не пользовался
[16:13:52] xa4a: но подозреваю, что в мануале - это глава aggregations
[16:13:58] aries.ua: То что я могу прямыми запросами сделать - не вопрос даже. Тут стоит продлема перенести на алхимию
[16:14:00] xa4a: !g sqlalchemy aggregations
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[16:16:00] xa4a: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2125041/how-to-return-the-count-of-related-entities-in-sqlalchemy-query
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[16:17:01] xa4a: вот в джанге - всё просто - t1.objects.annotate(num_t2=Count('t2'))
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[16:17:24] aries.ua: Супер! по линке как раз то что мне надо :)
[16:17:33] aries.ua: та да, в джанге это было просто :)
[16:17:51] mishok13: это ужасно, я считаю
[16:18:01] mishok13: пытаться прятать простоту
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[16:19:40] mishok13: *пытаться прятать сложность за видимой простотой
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[16:22:26] mishok13: session.query(T1.id, func.count(T2.id)).join(T2).group_by(T1.id)
[16:22:32] mishok13: basically
[16:22:55] mishok13: ну и в конце .all() конечно же
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[16:25:21] mishok13: это при условии что обе таблицы имет настроеный relationship
[16:25:49] mishok13: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/orm/query.html#sqlalchemy.orm.query.Query.join для подробностей
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[16:27:17] mishok13: можно конечно сделать и session.query(T1.id, func.count(T2.id)).filter(T1.id==T2.id).group_by(T1.id).all() если ключевое слово JOIN претит
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[16:27:43] mishok13: что опять таки описано прямо в туториале — http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_7/orm/tutorial.html#ormtutorial-joins
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[16:33:59] xa4a: вышел какой-то ещё менее читаемый sql, только без пробелов и со скобочками
[16:35:20] aries.ua: Что-то не получается :(
[16:36:12] mishok13: xa4a, ты делаешь SQL запрос и хочешь чтобы это выглядело не как SQL запрос?
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[16:36:14] xa4a: значит ты что-то делаешь не так
[16:36:19] xa4a: aries.ua: ^
[16:36:40] xa4a: mishok13: у меня есть субд и я хочу получить из неё данные
[16:36:58] xa4a: для этого я бы предпочёл написать как можно меньше символов, чтобы они были как можно читаемы
[16:37:03] xa4a: (можно картинками, вообще)
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[16:37:16] mishok13: abstractions leak, знаешь ли
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[16:37:29] mishok13: в конце концов, ты можешь настроить relationship
[16:37:52] mishok13: или просто сделать метод в модельке
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[16:38:26] mishok13: t1.objects.annotate(num_t2=Count('t2')) угадать что это делает, не зная наизусть django orm невозможно
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[16:38:34] mishok13: t1.objects что это?
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[16:38:59] mishok13: annotate подразумевает что аннотацию, а не агррегацию
[16:39:02] aries.ua: http://dumpz.org/211190/
[16:39:11] mishok13: что получится в ответе?
[16:40:09] aries.ua: mishok13 это мне вопрос?
[16:40:14] xa4a: mishok13: ну так а Count() подразумевает агрегацию. а 't2' подразумевает relationship
[16:40:29] mishok13: aries.ua, нет, xa4a
[16:40:46] mishok13: Count подразумевает *подсчет*
[16:41:00] mishok13: и как t2 подразумевает отношение?
[16:41:09] mishok13: просто магически?
[16:41:10] gigimon: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/05/05/python-faq-webdev/
[16:41:13] gigimon: для пхпшников ^_^
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[16:41:16] xa4a: это же sql. тут count() - одна из функций агрегаций, среди max,min,avg и sum
[16:41:25] xa4a: mishok13: не магически. я в модели определил же
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[16:42:18] mishok13: я уж молчу о том что я не знаю какой код это сгенерирует?
[16:42:27] mishok13: join, select from t1, t2, subselect?
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[16:43:11] xa4a: select form t1,t2 - синтаксический сахар же, нет?
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[16:43:20] xa4a: join, очевидно
[16:44:05] xa4a: хотя хз
[16:44:10] xa4a: но думаю, что join
[16:45:14] aries.ua: так как мне написать? :)
[16:45:30] mishok13: aries.ua, попробуй начать с простого session.query(T1, func.count(T2.id)).filter(T1.id==T2.id).group_by(T1.id).all()
[16:45:45] mishok13: ну и скажи что конкретно не выходит
[16:45:48] mishok13: трейсбек дай
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[16:58:06] mishok13: aries.ua, вот, вполне работает http://pastie.org/3960910
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[16:59:24] aries.ua: на 250 тыщах записей я не дождался результата :(
[17:00:07] mishok13: индексы, не?
[17:00:22] xa4a: эм
[17:00:32] xa4a: а зачем тут вообще джойн, собсно?
[17:00:52] xa4a: select count(*) from t2 group by t1_id, не?
[17:01:09] mishok13: да
[17:01:11] mishok13: ты прав
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[17:02:37] mishok13: aries.ua, смотри на SQL генерируемый
[17:03:11] aries.ua: Кстати как его глянуть?
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[17:03:33] xa4a: сделать slow query log с таймаутом 0
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[17:04:04] mishok13: когда создаешь engine передай echo=True
[17:04:51] mishok13: engine = create_engine('sqlite:///:memory:', echo=True)
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[18:12:27] gigimon: ребят, а почему a = 300, b = 300 но a is b = False?
[18:12:31] gigimon: а если число меньше 250 то True?
[18:12:36] gigimon: помню читал про это
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[18:13:27] gigimon: а все, нашел
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[18:14:27] nott: gigimon покажи ссылку
[18:14:41] gigimon: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3228260/strange-python-behavior-from-inappropriate-usage-of-is-not-comparison
[18:14:43] gigimon: с +5
[18:14:45] gigimon: ответ
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[18:17:37] gigimon: f напомните, почему так http://dumpz.org/211218/
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[18:22:29] xa4a: потому что внутри лямбды значение i не запоминается а ссылается на значение из внешнего скоупа
[18:22:35] xa4a: к собеседованию готовишься?
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[18:24:01] gigimon: да тут другу показывали
[18:24:09] gigimon: надо запомнить это
[18:24:14] gigimon: уже не первый встречаю)
[18:24:19] gigimon: помню что будет, но не помню почему
[18:24:52] alexey-grom: и чего? часто есть необходимость проверять 300 is 300, да чтобы False?
[18:25:12] gigimon: это вопросы из собеседований
[18:25:15] gigimon: вон хача шарит))
[18:25:34] alexey-grom: как придумают ерунду какую-то
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[18:26:27] nott: но вообще объяснение для 300 is 300 более чем логично
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[18:38:43] alexey-grom: оно то можт логично, но как знание этой фичи, которая не должна использоваться, связано с проверкой способности решения каких-то реальных задач. соискателей больше спросить не о чем? о чем то ближе к обязанностям на собеседуемую должность.
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[18:39:28] alexey-grom: мне самому давали похожие задачи, но на си. и там это было на соображалку, а это скорее на эрудицию, в том что не понятно зачем нужно
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[18:43:51] xa4a: это показывает, насколько ты интересуешься своим инструментом за пределами поставленных задач
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[18:44:51] alexey-grom: а что характеризует степень интереса к своему инструменту за пределами поставленных задач? и на сколько это критично?
[18:45:17] xa4a: лучше, если это есть, чем если нет
[18:45:53] xa4a: а если ты не знаешь ответ на почему 300 is not 300, но сможешь придумать его на собеседовании - это уже показатель
[18:46:32] alexey-grom: придумать?!
[18:46:43] xa4a: пофантазировать
[18:47:02] alexey-grom: ок, рассудить
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[18:47:06] alexey-grom: но все равно это маразм - задавать такие вопросы
[18:47:58] xa4a: да, не самые показательные вопросы
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[23:15:31] webninja: на след год штука выйдет которая
[23:15:35] webninja: движения позиционирует
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