[00:00:05] Martin: wine?
[00:00:10] Martin: или не тру?
[00:00:25] pashazz: и pyqt в wine
[00:00:30] pashazz: и все-все-все в wine
[00:00:32] pashazz: ога
[00:00:52] Martin: не, я продержался на пол года и свалил опять на винду...
[00:01:05] Martin: хотя был патриотом и даже снес винду
[00:01:12] pashazz: я наоборот винду терпеть не могу
[00:01:30] pashazz: я как начинаю по капсу раскладку переключать
[00:01:49] Martin: у меня на капсе около года висит
[00:01:52] pashazz: а потом у меня еще zsh в yakuake по f12 раскрывается
[00:01:58] Martin: на чужих компах бесит
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[00:02:23] pashazz: и я в винде начинаю жать F12-F12-F12 огааа ничего нет
[00:02:44] Martin: вот консоль хотел бы линуксовую)
[00:03:09] Martin: по так то привык, что шифт + пкм -> коммандная строка
[00:03:14] Martin: *но
[00:03:34] pashazz: вот еще программы все разбросаны непонятно где, path их не охватывает
[00:03:34] Martin: зато с софтом проблем нет, все вылизано и так то удобно
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[00:04:32] pashazz: мне удобно запускать программы не тыкая мышкой а нажав f12 и набрав имя программы, винда мне такого не даст.
[00:04:34] Martin: ну... программы в линуксе удобно, что просто печатаешь бинарник и оно запускается. но я так и не понял полной иерархии фс в линуксе. в винде все проги лежат в 95% в программ файлес.
[00:04:55] Martin: ну что-то подобное я делаю открыв пуск и вбив в поиск ее (:
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[00:05:22] pashazz: но опции комстроки ты же там не наберешь
[00:05:46] Martin: дык. обычно и не надо, ибо в винде принят гуй.
[00:06:16] Martin: хотя консоль выручает. с той же ртутью я работаю тремя способами: консоль, черепака, средства в IDE
[00:06:44] Martin: но таких случаев мало, когда нужно взаимодействовать с параметрами
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[00:07:53] pashazz: и потом, в линуксе все гораздо логичнее, если в винде все в %%ProgramFiles%%, т.е. в субдиректориях, то в линуксе
/usr/bin - бинарники
/usr/lib - библиотеки
/usr/include - h-файлы
/usr/share - все остальное

ну и системное в /bin /lib
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[00:08:48] Martin: /usr/share/local/bin иногда встречается. я лично не разобрался.
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[00:18:37] pashazz: опционально в /usr/local повторяется иерархия /usr для программ, к-рые ставятся в обход пакетного менеджера
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[00:19:23] Martin: мб. ибо прога именно такаяю
[00:19:27] Martin: *какая.
[00:19:33] Martin: блин)
[00:19:36] Martin: такая
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[12:19:30] portnov: утро.
[12:19:50] portnov: народ, что есть годное для рисования графиков?
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[12:20:08] portnov: matplotlib вроде ничотак, но мож чо есть побыстрее?
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[14:36:15] xa4a: gnuolot?
[14:36:17] xa4a: gnuplot
[14:36:22] xa4a: portnov: ^
[14:36:29] portnov: гм
[14:36:35] portnov: а он бывает в виде либы?
[14:36:49] portnov: system("gnuplot ...") — не вариант, имхо :)
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[14:38:25] xa4a: ну как не вариант..
[14:38:30] xa4a: есть Gnuplot.py
[14:38:38] xa4a: который в шел выпадает
[14:38:44] xa4a: но он работает в винде и в юниксах
[14:38:56] xa4a: я его даже в py2exe паковал когда-то
[14:39:14] xa4a: ещё google chart api :)
[14:39:58] xa4a: но вообще, я бы сказал, чтоmatplotlib
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[14:44:12] portnov: ну вот его и юзаем пока.
[14:44:17] portnov: вроде нормально
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[14:44:58] portnov: это у меня оказывается чего-то с sqlalchemy недопонимание, оно чего-то примерно вдвое больше запросов генерит чем я считаю нужным :)
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[15:25:15] deepwalker: portnov, джойны лищние тянет?
[15:25:27] deepwalker: или чаще ходит в базу, чем кажется что должна?
[15:25:37] portnov: скорее последнее
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[15:25:56] deepwalker: а там o2m или m2m?
[15:26:06] deepwalker: или o2o?
[15:26:25] portnov: я сначала вообще так написал:

data = DBSession.query(...)

timestamps = [r.timestamp for r in data]
values = [r.value for r in data]
....
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[15:26:39] portnov: ну и получил по запросу на каждую строчку с [] :)
[15:27:32] deepwalker: ну да, не джанго квери
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