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[15:12:19] xa4a: хм.. а вот если я хочу доступ к ресурсу какому-то локом ограничить и в контекст-менеджер засунуть, то ведь def LockedContext(): with self._lock: yield self.resource и contextlib.contextmanager(LockedContext) сделают то, что я хочу?
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[15:14:20] xa4a: или contextlib.nested(self._lock, contextlib.contextmanager(lambda: self.resource)) ..
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[15:17:53] xa4a: похоже, первое - да, второе - нет
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[15:19:24] sana_74@jabber.ru: всем привет
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[15:23:11] sana_74@jabber.ru: как пользоваться re подскажите
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[15:26:26] Ляпатяпа: легко
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[15:26:30] Ляпатяпа: 1. читаешь документацию
[15:26:35] Ляпатяпа: 2. используешь
[15:26:40] Ляпатяпа: 3. ????
[15:26:44] Ляпатяпа: 4. ПРОФИТ!!
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[15:27:21] sana_74@jabber.ru: да не понял
[15:27:23] sana_74@jabber.ru: читал
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[15:27:40] sana_74@jabber.ru: только как к примеру выдрать email адреса
[15:28:20] mrDoctorWho.: ну так-то для e-mail существует туча разных паттернов в том же гугле
[15:28:59] sana_74@jabber.ru: патерн это типа правило
[15:29:02] mishok13: никак, имейлы не надо выдирать
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[15:41:02] sana_74@jabber.ru: import re
>>> string='ssdfdf saree@mail.ru dfdfdfd'
>>> result = re.match('(\w+)@(\w+)',string)
[15:41:15] sana_74@jabber.ru: rfr cltkfnm xnj ,s jy dthyek flhtc
[15:41:27] sana_74@jabber.ru: как сделать что бы вернул адрес
[15:41:37] sana_74@jabber.ru: что не так
[15:41:44] sana_74@jabber.ru: import re
>>> string='ssdfdf sana_74@mail.ru dfdfdfd'
>>> result = re.match('(\w+)@(\w+)',string)
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[15:45:34] mrDoctorWho.: re.search?
[15:46:46] gigimon: sana_74@jabber.ru: иди доку читай
[15:46:53] gigimon: на русском много, на английском тоже
[15:46:56] gigimon: хоть примеры посмотри
[15:47:08] sana_74@jabber.ru: уже ушел))
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[15:54:32] Ybw: Парень явно перешел на питон с пхп :)
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[15:54:56] sana_74@jabber.ru: Ну не без этого))
[15:55:16] Ybw: И когда понял, что вот этого http://ru2.php.net/manual/ru/function.preg-replace.php в питоне нет, карма питона в его глазах упала в 2-3 раза :))))
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[15:55:50] sana_74@jabber.ru: )))
[15:55:53] Ybw: На самом деле, как раз в питоне реализована работа со строками правильно, нежиле чем а php
[15:56:07] Ybw: у тебя нет обьекта с которым ты можешь работать, а в питоне есть
[15:56:33] Ybw: для простоты был создан метод replace у стринга
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[15:57:23] Ybw: а по поводу поиска емайлов, найди лучше готовую регулярку, так как вариаций по емайлу очень много и всех не уловишь (см. пример в джанге +1.2)
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[15:58:01] Ybw: в −1.2 там баг как раз в регулярном выражении был печальный.
[15:59:24] xa4a: sana_74@jabber.ru: твой регексп, похоже, на точках валится
[15:59:54] sana_74@jabber.ru: чего Я недогоняю))
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[16:00:00] sana_74@jabber.ru: ты о чем
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[16:00:27] sana_74@jabber.ru: что не так
[16:00:45] xa4a: \w
[16:00:47] xa4a: не матчит точки
[16:01:03] mishok13: и плюсы тоже не матчит
[16:01:12] sana_74@jabber.ru: \ц
[16:01:15] sana_74@jabber.ru: \w
[16:01:23] sana_74@jabber.ru: что это
[16:01:23] xa4a: а, ну и да, match прибивает с одной стороны $ или ^, не помню что из этого
[16:01:31] xa4a: sana_74@jabber.ru: посмотри в документации
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[16:16:00] sana_74@jabber.ru: [0-9a-zA-Z_\-\.]+@[0-9a-z-A-Z\.]+.[a-zA-Z]+

что надо добавить что бы возврашал правильно
[16:16:52] sana_74@jabber.ru: а то возвращает емайл и текст после тоже
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[16:17:41] Typhon: if '@' in email
[16:17:44] Typhon: и всё
[16:19:42] sana_74@jabber.ru: всмысле как условеим
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[16:25:09] sana_74@jabber.ru: блин у меня возвращает вот так 'email@mail.ru s'

как сделать что бы возвращал без буквы
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[17:00:14] Ybw: Ищу программиста в помощь на полный рабочий день, Хорошее знание django и python (оклад 25-30круб)
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[17:48:49] gigimon: Ybw: смешно
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[18:11:37] Ybw: gigimon: Почему ?
[18:12:13] Ybw: У нас ребята в фирме за 40к работают в офисе, сидя дома в белоруси/казахстане получать 30к очень хорошо
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[18:13:45] mishok13: 30к в беларуси хорошо?
[18:14:03] mishok13: разве что в Калинковичах каких-нибудь
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[18:15:48] Ybw: :) Ребята, нужно срочно ходить в зал
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[18:15:55] Ybw: От ожирения умирают
[18:16:07] mishok13: ты о чем?
[18:16:20] Ybw: 30к для Минска — хорошии деньги
[18:16:32] Ybw: говорю, потому что знаю
[18:16:51] mishok13: 30к == 1к долларов
[18:17:03] Ybw: не :) 1к$ = 34круб
[18:17:10] mishok13: это не суть
[18:17:13] Ybw: суть
[18:17:19] Ybw: 4*12 = 48круб
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[18:17:33] sana_74@jabber.ru: дак это сколько в $
[18:17:40] mishok13: суть что у тебя останется после платы за аренду и покушать где-то 400 баксов
[18:17:56] mishok13: учитывая пошлины в беларуси, ты себе сраную нокию 3310 не купишь за эти деньги
[18:17:56] Ybw: 700-800
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[18:18:48] mishok13: нормальная зарплата — та, при которой обязательные затраты (аренда, жратва, проезд) больше 25% твоей зарплаты не сьедают
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[18:19:29] Ybw: не :) нормальная зарплата = сколько ты гененришь $ / 3
[18:19:33] Ybw: вот это формула зарплаты
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[18:19:52] Ybw: а то сколько тебе надо на жизнь :) извини мне надо на жизнь 10к$, но у меня нет таких знаний что бы столько получать
[18:20:21] mishok13: генеришь?
[18:20:32] mishok13: программисты генерят не деньги, если ты не в курсе
[18:20:49] Ybw: а что ж ты гененришь ? красивые глаза ?
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[18:22:14] mishok13: продукт
[18:22:30] Ybw: он кому то нужен ? за него кто то платит ?
[18:22:38] mishok13: ох ты ебнутый какой-то
[18:22:45] Ybw: угу, я то же заметил
[18:23:02] Ybw: продукто генератор бля ))
[18:23:13] Ybw: все генерируют деньги
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[18:23:19] Ybw: это банальная экономика
[18:23:23] Ybw: иди учебник в школе почитай
[18:23:26] Ybw: умный )))
[18:23:52] mishok13: да?
[18:23:59] mishok13: и сколько ты денег написанием теста нагенерил?
[18:24:36] mishok13: а недополученную прибыль с твоей зарплаты тоже надо снимать, когда ты херовый код написал?
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[18:24:53] mishok13: а если ты создал технический долг и ушел из компании, ты должен деньги компании?
[18:25:12] Ybw: в общем :) я предложил работу. ищу человека, если есть хорошо, если нет то без полемики, у меня нет времени на таких умников
[18:25:29] sana_74@jabber.ru: кто нить пробовал Aptana Studio 3 а товыглядит не плохо,tcnm cvsck cnfdbnm ytn
[18:25:43] Ybw: используй vim
[18:25:45] sana_74@jabber.ru: а ставить нет не знаю*
[18:25:48] Ybw: работает везде, быстро и хорошо
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[18:31:30] sana_74@jabber.ru: действительно не плохо так сделана штука но свои не дочеты
[18:32:08] sana_74@jabber.ru: Dreamie нравится

а вы на чем пишете
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[18:52:24] xa4a: Ybw: нормальная зарплата = сколько ты гененришь $ / 3. а кому остальные $/2? директору/сейлзу? а они что, не генерят $?
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[18:53:57] mishok13: xa4a, не трогай бизнесмена
[18:54:16] mishok13: я так понимаю, когда компания терпит убытки, то работники должны платить за право работать
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[19:06:05] Ybw: xa4a, mishok13 мир не крутится вокруг вас, это факт, хоть и печальный для вас, но факт
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[19:06:44] xa4a: Ybw: выше вопрос был
[19:06:58] Ybw: xa4a, остальное идет на развитие компании. директор и сейлз то же генерирует $
[19:07:22] Ybw: твой вопрос был — как ?
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[19:10:35] mishok13: ебать-ебать, я где-то сказал что мир вокруг программистов крутится?
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[19:10:59] Ybw: нет, ты выше сказал, что он вокруг тебя крутится
[19:11:06] xa4a: ок, про проценты $/3, $2/3 спорить не буду - твоё дело, но если уважающий себя программист вряд ли пошёл бы за $1k работать
[19:11:09] mishok13: ну давай
[19:11:12] mishok13: цитату
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[19:12:01] xa4a: Ybw: вопрос в метриках, как ты оцениваешь, сколько $ нагенрил программист
[19:12:36] Ybw: xa4a: я понимаю, что твой уровень высок и ты менее чем за 4-5к бы не пошел. Я ищу по сути нуба, который знает только джангу и немного питона, что собственно за чуть больше деньги можно и в офис найти. (ЦА не ты :))
[19:13:16] xa4a: Ybw: makes sense.
[19:13:25] xa4a: и что эти $ могут не отражать проделанной работы, т.к. мир крутится не вокруг программиста, и тем более $ зависит от сейлзов
[19:13:45] xa4a: это уже обсуждение независимое от твоего конкретного предложения
[19:13:59] Ybw: xa4a: Сеилз делает свою работу
[19:14:16] xa4a: ну продали продукта на $10k
[19:14:27] Ybw: для решение поставленной задачи нужен или один программист за 50$/час или 10 за 20$/час
[19:14:55] xa4a: есть методика подсчёта,сколько из этих $10k нагенерил программист?
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[19:15:02] Ybw: 1 ее решит за сутки и мы потратим 400уе
10 ее решат за сутки и мы потратим 1600уе
[19:15:07] Typhon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Mythical-Man-Month-Engineering-Anniversary/dp/0201835959
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[19:15:31] Ybw: на самом деле мы сейчас разговариваем о том, как ловить рыбу
[19:15:38] Ybw: у вас своя методика у меня своя
[19:15:43] Ybw: у вас свои взгляды у меня свои
[19:15:50] Ybw: вы просто не умеете принимать чужие точки зрения
[19:15:56] Ybw: я так понимаю что есть две правды
[19:15:57] xa4a: вот мне интересно, чтобы ты поделился взглядами своими
[19:16:00] Typhon: да не, ты вбросил сомнительную тему и не можешь её аргументировать
[19:16:03] Ybw: ваша и не правильная
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[19:16:22] Typhon: хотя все вроде готовы послушать, ага
[19:16:54] Ybw: Typhon: я выше привел цифры и обоснования
[19:16:56] xa4a: я вот могу понять, если аутсорс и у наёмщика есть внешний рейт и внутренний. тут можно придумать, что значит нагенеренное $ программистом
[19:17:09] Ybw: ок
[19:17:20] Ybw: почему тебе должны платить 4-5000$ а не 300$
[19:17:32] xa4a: не знаю. рынок такой - всем платят
[19:17:38] Ybw: с чего твой хозяин решил что тебе нужно столько а не меньше ?
[19:17:43] Ybw: а как он формируется ?
[19:17:53] xa4a: я решил, что мне нужно столько, а не хозяин
[19:18:00] xa4a: я выбрал хозяина, который столько дает
[19:18:17] Ybw: да не :) вилка то у тебя не большая
[19:18:25] Ybw: тебе больше 5000$ не будут платить
[19:18:36] Ybw: а васи иванову будут и 7000$ платить
[19:18:38] Ybw: почему ?
[19:18:46] Ybw: у него глаза красивые ?
[19:19:10] Ybw: а петя второгодник будет всего 700$ получать и больше ему не заплатят
[19:19:53] Ybw: цифра формируется из многих значений
лояльность, трудолюбие, знания, навыки, опыт
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[19:20:02] Ybw: то есть если он охуенно умный и большой опыт работы
[19:20:06] xa4a: во-от..
[19:20:09] Ybw: то он сделает эту работу ОДИН и быстро
[19:20:13] xa4a: но как это связано с генерируем $?
[19:20:17] Ybw: и таких работ он сделает много в месяц
[19:20:22] xa4a: *генерируемым
[19:20:58] Ybw: а если взять васю второгодника, он будет делать одну работу в 5 месяцев и с багами
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[19:21:36] xa4a: пусть вася сделал за месяц сколько-то работы и ты с сейлзом продали её за 10к. сколько $ нагенерил вася?
[19:21:38] Ybw: то есть с васей второгодником мы получим прибыли в год 100000$ а с васей отличником 1 000 000 000$ в месяц
[19:21:57] Ybw: кто такой сеилз ?
[19:22:12] Ybw: это обьект который продает в определенной вилки что то
[19:22:14] xa4a: тот, кто продаёт твой продукт
[19:22:19] Ybw: то есть он может продать сайт не за 50 а за 70
[19:22:30] Ybw: но за 160 он его не продаст
[19:22:36] Ybw: да же если это будет модель блядь
[19:22:50] Ybw: не нужно на сеилза опираться
[19:22:56] Ybw: бизнес = автомобиль
[19:23:00] xa4a: но выше - конкретный вопрос
[19:23:11] Ybw: какой из ?
[19:23:18] xa4a: пусть вася сделал за месяц сколько-то работы и ты с сейлзом продали её за 10к. сколько $ нагенерил вася?
[19:23:44] Ybw: ок, вася сделал 100% ?
[19:23:57] xa4a: да, всю программистскую работу
[19:24:01] xa4a: сделал продукт
[19:24:05] xa4a: протестировал
[19:24:13] xa4a: и все баги пофиксил
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[19:26:04] Ybw: (10к - расходы) / доли = сколько вася $ сделал
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[19:27:07] xa4a: и с этого ещё 2/3 на развитие, так?
[19:27:19] Ybw: опять рыбалку обсуждаем
[19:27:32] Ybw: я отправляю на развитие 90% прибыли
[19:28:12] Ybw: почему тебе это интересно ?
[19:28:23] xa4a: мне интересно, как работает бизнес
[19:28:33] xa4a: как продают программистов
[19:28:46] xa4a: у меня нет цели тебя пооскорблять
[19:28:50] Ybw: начни делать какой то проект сам, вложи в него деньги и поймешь
[19:28:54] xa4a: или посмеяться
[19:29:02] xa4a: мне пока не интересно бизнесом заниматься
[19:29:03] Ybw: у тебя есть свободное время щя ?
[19:29:11] xa4a: я ещё маленький
[19:29:23] Ybw: я знаю какой ты маленький не первый год тут
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[19:31:55] xa4a: да.. очень показательно
[19:32:07] xa4a: я работаю инженером и мне это пока интереснее
[19:32:22] Ybw: кстати! совсем забыл
[19:32:30] Ybw: ты задай этот вопрос своему кенту
[19:32:32] Ybw: семенову
[19:32:40] Ybw: он как раз в теме сейчас
[19:32:49] Ybw: он тебе популярно это объяснит ))
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