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[02:24:24] xa4a: все следят за прохождением венеры?
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[05:45:14] webninja: не ) я видел апп в гугл плэй
[05:45:43] webninja: щаз взял себе, не удержался китайский планшет за 130 баксов на андроиде 4 ) скоро придет
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[09:05:23] webninja: Компания Microsoft активно поддерживает представителей нетрадиционной сексуальной ориентации, негров и прочих обиженных жизнью. С 1980-х в Microsoft существует внутрикорпоративный профсоюз GLEAM (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Employees at Microsoft), в состав которого входит более 700 членов
[09:05:36] webninja: это заговор против натуралов
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[10:41:45] mishok13: какой еще заговор?
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[11:22:02] wiz: Полить мои помидоры! Неужто в питоне появился нормальный RSA?? http://stuvel.eu/files/python-rsa-doc/index.html
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[11:30:07] webninja: ух прикольный дезигн на сайте
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[11:56:37] wiz: фак еа! оно работает! наконец-то можно выкинуть M2Crypto и его swig-openssl помойку
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[12:11:43] webninja: какие практические применения для этого?
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[12:19:31] wiz: эм... rsa подписи для всякого говна без гемора с установкой бинарного говна
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[12:20:10] wiz: оно, конечно, тормознее, но из-за одного запроса в минуту городить этот глюкодром с openssl меня каждый раз коробит...
[12:20:35] aries.ua: оу как интересно.
[12:20:43] aries.ua: и оно как работает, кто пробовал?
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[12:20:58] wiz: ну я вот только что попробовал - работает (:
[12:21:20] wiz: нормально загружает ключ из pem и нормально им подписывает - идентично с m2
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[12:34:14] gigimon: /me еще год назад юзал для диплома
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[15:34:08] sakal: wiz: 1024 7.93 sec. If key generation is too slow for you, you could use OpenSSL to generate them for you
[15:34:17] sakal: оно вроде как работает, но медленно
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[15:40:18] Martin: добрый день
[15:40:22] wiz: 1) ключи генерить мне не надо, они в pem лежат.
2) с pypy будет быстро.
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[15:40:30] Martin: что означает pony powered? откуда оно пошло?
[15:40:47] wiz: Martin, http://djangopony.com/
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[15:40:53] nmk: есть класс с прописанным меткалассом. в каких случаях __new__ в метаклассе может вызваться несколько раз?
[15:41:14] Martin: wiz: но в чем прикол? джанга няшен как пони и скачай себе картинку?
[15:41:15] gigimon: когда создается новый инстанс класса?
[15:41:31] nmk: gigimon: __new__ в метаклассе
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[16:17:18] xa4a: nmk: когда создаётся класс?
[16:17:37] nmk: xa4a: так может он несколько раз создаваться? :)
[16:17:58] xa4a: если модуль под разными именами импортируется, может
[16:18:13] nmk: в смысле import abc as cde ?
[16:18:18] xa4a: import foo изнутри bar и шьзщке ифкюащщ jnrelf-nj to`
[16:18:26] xa4a: import bar.foo
[16:18:31] nmk: или же абсолютный/относительный импорт?
[16:18:32] nmk: а..
[16:18:37] nmk: ну. такие догадки были, да.
[16:19:01] nmk: по дебагу просто оно так и прозошло, но как так получилось я не могу понять. импорты везде абсолютные..
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[16:19:11] nmk: добавил кеш-проверку просто
[16:20:11] xa4a: вставь в __new__ дебагер и посмотри стек
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[16:20:29] nmk: воспроизвести не могу. ;(
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[16:21:03] nmk: возможно там как-то два треда могли импортить одновременно. но при импорте лок же вешается, насколько я помню.
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[16:26:43] xa4a: nmk: http://paste.in.ua/4325/
[16:27:38] xa4a: в джитоне в разных потоках - разные инстансы класса были ещё
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[16:28:59] nmk: xa4a: ну вот таких импортов у меня нету. я там в свое время с джангой уже насобачился с этим.
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[16:29:24] xa4a: > воспроизвести не могу.
[16:29:28] xa4a: вот и хорошо :)
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[16:34:05] nmk: xa4a: это и пугает. но кеш должен спасти :)
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[16:35:52] xa4a: логи веди
[16:35:54] xa4a: стеков
[16:36:02] xa4a: винты нынче дешёвые :)
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[20:11:16] shahinqurbanov: .
[20:11:37] xa4a: shahinqurbanov: мы тебя внимательно слушаем
[20:11:52] shahinqurbanov: сорри
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[20:14:31] shahinqurbanov: читаю Изучаем Питон Лутца
[20:14:51] shahinqurbanov: пугает объем книги но читается как худлит
[20:14:54] gigimon: читай
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[20:33:52] shahinqurbanov: при установке python, у меня в сообщениях выдает что не нашел _curses_panel
[20:34:09] shahinqurbanov: какой devel ставить
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[21:02:31] xa4a: какая такая установка?
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[21:03:24] shahinqurbanov: компиляция
[21:03:29] shahinqurbanov: сборка
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[21:09:31] xa4a: как собираешь?
[21:09:38] xa4a: сам из оригинальных исходников?
[21:11:17] shahinqurbanov: да
[21:11:27] shahinqurbanov: ./configure
[21:11:34] shahinqurbanov: make && make install
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[21:20:34] gigimon: shahinqurbanov: не скромный вопрос, а нахера?
[21:21:31] shahinqurbanov: более скромный ответ : потому что у меня sle linux, в котором репо настроены через ж*
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[21:25:02] shahinqurbanov: и мне много чего приходиться собирать из исходников
[21:25:34] xa4a: !g python make _curses_panel
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[21:36:12] gigimon: shahinqurbanov: я бы уже переставил линукс
[21:36:19] gigimon: или настроил дистрибутивы нормально
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[21:55:51] shahinqurbanov: репозитории платные, а сносить линукс не хочу, проблемы с гибридной видеокартной
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[22:00:06] xa4a: сразу два непонятных для меня словосочетания в одном сообщении
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[22:03:25] shahinqurbanov: ставил дебиан, собрал amd driver для Radeon HD 6490M, проблемы при переключении aticonfig --px-dgpu и aticonfig --px-igpu
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[22:03:37] shahinqurbanov: поэтому вернул все обратно
[22:03:53] shahinqurbanov: и теперь с такими проблемами мучаюсь
[22:05:19] shahinqurbanov: ладно, это уже не тема этой конференции, вопрос про curses_panel думаю стоить закрыть если уже никто не знает в чем дело
[22:06:09] alexey-grom: у меня тоже проблемы были с радеоном, я какой-то реп подключил с хаками, которые энтузиасты развивают и все заработало
[22:06:17] alexey-grom: и компиз и кайро
[22:06:33] alexey-grom: а вендеры, паскуды, не считают нужным дрова писать
[22:06:55] shahinqurbanov: вендоры пишут, просто через ж
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[22:07:44] shahinqurbanov: вот http://www.linux.org.ru/forum/desktop/7363931
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[22:08:08] shahinqurbanov: у меня на sle тоже компиз работает нормально
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[22:17:24] gigimon: что-то не понимаю я вас
[22:17:39] gigimon: поставьте свободный suse, там тогда тоже все работать должно
[22:17:58] shahinqurbanov: я не любитель экспериментировать
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[22:18:29] shahinqurbanov: я сторонник стабильности, надоело мне ковырять, мне время дороже, поставил - работает - не трогай
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[22:18:47] levsha: у линуксятников всегда так: первым делом насоветуют другой дистрибутив
[22:19:59] xa4a: а) поставить убунту
[22:20:05] xa4a: б) поставить макбук
[22:20:41] shahinqurbanov: ставил убунту у него та же болезнь, вендор карты амд, драйвер под все платформы один!
[22:20:57] alexey-grom: не знаю что там за sle, но с радеонами на всех дистрибах проблемы жуткие. вплоть до того что видяха вообще не работает, т.к. дров не существует.
[22:21:17] shahinqurbanov: мы тут дистрибутив выбираем или про нкурсис_панел беседуем ? ))
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[22:26:17] shahinqurbanov: в репах убунту, дебиана, и др есть fglrx* драйвера, но там должно быть соответствие версии ядра выше 3.1, и тому подобная херь, как же все надоело..вендоры сами усложняют, и сами же создают проблемы..
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[22:28:42] gigimon: shahinqurbanov: просто сложно осознавать слова: компилирую многое и мне дороже время
[22:29:00] gigimon: от 1 человека про 1 и тоже)
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[22:29:18] gigimon: /me не испытывал проблем с ати на генте
[22:29:38] shahinqurbanov: версию ати в студию
[22:31:24] gigimon: ати были давно, когда с драйверами было хуже
[22:31:49] gigimon: х600, 4530 (ноутбучная)
[22:31:52] gigimon: везде все ок
[22:31:55] gigimon: даже в игры играл
[22:32:08] gigimon: да, не без бубна, но ничего такого сверх сложного
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[22:35:22] shahinqurbanov: осознать слова компилирую и дороже время не сложно : компилирую потому что это занимает у меня 20 минут (в среднем какая нибудь большая программка), а дороже время это то что переходя на другой дистрибутив я ищу какие драйвера мне нужна и почему получилось такое г, а какую фичу нужно тыкнуть при сборке ядра, мне это надо ???
[22:36:11] shahinqurbanov: и тратить на это полдня
[22:36:23] shahinqurbanov: вот о чем я хотел сказать
[22:36:38] xa4a: shahinqurbanov: поискать какой-то curses-devel, если не поможет - может отключить curses в питоне?
[22:37:02] shahinqurbanov: ncurses i ncurses-devel есть
[22:37:24] shahinqurbanov: libreadline libreadline-devel который нужен для ncurses тоже есть
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[22:38:15] xa4a: а ты, кстати, ncurses тоже сам собирал?)
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[22:38:23] shahinqurbanov: нет)
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[22:38:45] xa4a: ну тогда лог сборки питона на paste.in.ua
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[22:39:24] shahinqurbanov: dev пакеты в исошках сузи линукса
SLE-11-SP1-SDK-DVD-i586-GM-DVD1.iso
SLE-11-SP1-SDK-DVD-i586-GM-DVD2.iso
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[22:40:38] xa4a: в жизни сузи не видел.
[22:40:42] xa4a: так что лог сборки
[22:40:55] shahinqurbanov: да и еще странно то что при отсутствии пакета ncurses-devel вылетала та же ошибка, походу это косяк в исходнике пайтона
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[22:42:33] xa4a: илитвой пакет не туда ставит библиотеку
[22:42:38] xa4a: или не ставит
[22:42:40] xa4a: или не ту
[22:42:44] xa4a: или таки питон её не там ищет
[22:42:47] shahinqurbanov: или просто или)
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[22:44:06] xa4a: может всё-таки из репозиториев поставить?
[22:44:24] shahinqurbanov: да я так и сделал
[22:44:40] shahinqurbanov: ncurses-devel из репов
[22:45:40] shahinqurbanov: да, скорее всего так и есть..мне пора, завтра на работу, приятно было пообщаться, благодарен всем за содействие, я рад что есть сплоченность и дружеская атмосфера
[22:47:19] xa4a: может всё-таки питон из репозиториев поставить?
[22:48:05] shahinqurbanov: там старая версия 2.6
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