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[01:21:57] singularity: Всем привет!
[01:22:58] alexey-grom: singularity: Привет. Давно тебя не было
[01:23:45] singularity: ага,давно.
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[02:17:16] singularity: Зачем в модуле string нескоколько атрибутов ссылаются на на все большые буквы анг. алфавита и буквы тоже ?
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[02:18:44] alexey-grom: ты про ascii_letters и letters?
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[02:24:32] singularity: наверно так исторически сложилось
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[02:26:58] alexey-grom: капитан очевидность подсказывает, что одно псевдоним другого, т.к. кодировка по-умолчанию ascii, а если бы по-умолчанию был юникод - то letters были бы в юникоде, а ascii_letters - в ascii для олдфагов.
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[02:30:03] singularity: "кодировка по-умолчанию"
[02:30:20] singularity: где именно ?
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[02:30:39] alexey-grom: что?
[02:31:46] singularity: в системе или в бинарнике ?
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[02:32:36] alexey-grom: в интерпретаторе
[02:33:13] singularity: Как сделать utf -8 в интерпритаторе ?
[02:34:11] alexey-grom: блин ты странные вопросы задаешь
[02:34:17] alexey-grom: ну я вот так делаю: # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
[02:34:26] alexey-grom: но на letters это не отразится )
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[02:39:48] alexey-grom: я можт неправильные термины употребил ) "кодировка по-умолчанию в интерпретаторе" это конечно от ума, это "кодировка файлов по-умолчанию" тогда уж
[02:40:25] alexey-grom: то из-за чего на кириллицу у нас питон ругается SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xd0'
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[02:40:36] alexey-grom: тут про это http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263/
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[02:42:50] singularity: http://docs.python.org/dev/library/random.html#module-random
[02:42:51] singularity: random.gammavariate(alpha, beta)¶
[02:43:11] singularity: Что это за функция ?
[02:43:36] singularity: И в старой ветке тоже есть
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[02:46:06] alexey-grom: ты хочешь чтобы тебе с утра по раньше про гамма-распределение рассказали? :D
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[02:48:17] singularity: Там пример непонятный. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гамма-распределение Хотя вика ище хардкорней :)
[02:48:33] singularity: А пример можно ?
[02:50:00] alexey-grom: там графиком все исчерпывается
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[02:50:53] singularity: я понял это функции нужны только для научных расчетов ?
[02:51:25] singularity: Как сделать utf -8 в интерпритаторе ?
[02:51:28] singularity: ну я вот так делаю: # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
[02:51:52] singularity: интепритатор для меня в основном шелл :)
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[03:22:42] singularity: Кстати что лучше Qt или GTK+ ?
[03:23:25] singularity: и какой модуль питона брать ?
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[03:30:43] xa4a: qt
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[03:30:49] xa4a: модуль - говорят, pyside
[03:31:10] alexey-grom: pyqt же, не?
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[03:34:53] xa4a: нет, вроде, pyside
[03:35:01] xa4a: pyqt уже не модно
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[03:37:06] xa4a: pyside - моднее, похоже, только лицензией
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[10:16:00] singularity: У меня вопрос . Например я импортирую модуль вот так from module import * и он заменяет стандартную функцию своей
[10:16:37] aries.ua: from module import func as my_func
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[10:17:14] aries.ua: или
import module
print module.func()
[10:17:30] maodzedun: всем доброго утра!
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[10:18:59] singularity: а если я не знал о ней ? в какой ide можно сделать чтобы функции с разных модулей окрашивались в разный цвет ?
[10:19:38] maodzedun: Ребята, мое изучение питона подошло к графическим интерфейсам, и тут мне как и каждому необходимо выбрать среду. Не хочу заз ря учить латынь. что выбрать ? Wx или куте ? Программист из меня никакой. супер сложных проектов делать не буду. Так - любительский набор какойто. Важна так же кроссплатформенность. Вроде как по форумам рекомендуют WX но пишут что оно морально устарело и последний релиз 2011 года вобще. что скадете вы- люди которые реально Питонят ! ?
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[10:20:18] singularity: Wx что это?
[10:20:22] aries.ua: я юзал Qt
[10:20:51] singularity: кстати на мой аналогичный вопрос дали ответ Qt with Pyside
[10:21:02] maodzedun: WxWidgets
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[10:21:46] aries.ua: мне Qt больше понравился. А примеров его использования в сети навалом. Правда они на С, но перенести на питон раз плюнуть.
[10:21:57] maodzedun: ну вы все же профессиональный программист. а я сисадмин. Нужна ли мне вся мощь куте не знаю.
[10:22:30] aries.ua: а я хз, тебе решать :)
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[10:22:39] maodzedun: :(
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[10:23:29] aries.ua: для меня критерием выбора было в свое время - документация, простота работы, примеры в сети.
[10:23:46] maodzedun: и что вы в свое время выбрали ?
[10:23:53] aries.ua: Qt как то лучше подошел под это. ИМХО
[10:23:55] singularity: tkinter ? :-D
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[10:24:34] aries.ua: И еще - визуальный редактор для рисования интерфейса. В Qt он лучший. Остальное не понравилось :D
[10:25:01] maodzedun: то есть лутче сразу ставить PySide и насиловать себя новым горизонотом неясных моментов
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[10:25:59] singularity: А долго попробывать все ?
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[10:26:26] maodzedun: конесно ! они все для меня сложны и непонятны !
[10:27:04] webninja: давайте лучше в Dwarf Fortress рубиться!
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[10:30:05] aries.ua: тогда уж лучше по бабам :D
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[10:30:28] maodzedun: ладнопопробую пока что wXWigets
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[10:32:00] webninja: попробуй Dwarf Fortress!
[10:32:32] maodzedun: танунафиг. У меня старая закалка . Так что либо MUD либо UO
[10:32:46] webninja: !g dwarf fortress dfwk.ru
[10:32:53] webninja: еее
[10:32:57] webninja: набигайте )
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[10:33:37] webninja: УРАААА!!!
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[10:35:51] singularity: я хочу но долбаный инет :-(
[10:36:02] singularity: мне проще написать и гамать
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[10:38:57] singularity: хотя 7.6 мег. Это весь дистр?
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[10:40:33] aries.ua: Лучше бабу :D
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[10:44:33] webninja: да всесь
[10:44:34] webninja: линь?
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[10:45:53] webninja: https://sites.google.com/site/dwarffortresslinux/ironhand/Ironhand_34_11_v0.73.tar.xz
[10:45:56] webninja: во я вот эту скачал
[10:46:10] webninja: сразу завелась
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[10:48:23] maodzedun: мля... это что, канал по Экебане ?
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[10:58:44] singularity: А есть генератор питон кода с ява ? :-D
а то смотрю и нифига не пойму
[10:59:23] maodzedun: фуууу Ткинтер унылое говно...
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[11:03:05] singularity: code.google.com/p/java2python/ О_О
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[11:05:06] badnewsb: какой еще Tkinter? только mfc! только хардкор! :-D
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[11:05:35] maodzedun: ладно. попробуюпока что помучать себя wxPython а там посмотрим.
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[11:07:48] singularity: там кросплатформеность надо ...
[11:08:21] maodzedun: я вот все никак не дождусь когда питон в андроид впилят
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[11:08:39] singularity: есть довно ведь
[11:09:35] maodzedun: нет. То есть полумеры. Кроме того если приложение написать на петоне - то что бы запустить его - надо еще и питон установить на девайс. Я же жду когда его впилят в систему полноценно. как в линуках например.
[11:10:18] singularity: "полумеры" всмысле ?
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[11:11:26] maodzedun: А где вы узрели питон в анлроиде ?
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[11:12:28] maodzedun: вы имели в виду это SL4A *?
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[11:14:35] maodzedun: или ето ?
[11:14:39] singularity: Походу да. На хабре мелькало просто ))
[11:14:39] maodzedun: http://python-for-android.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
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[11:15:49] singularity: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_HD2
кстати суда можно пихнуть Ubuntu там уж питон есть я думаю))
[11:16:28] maodzedun: верняк, только как ето относиться к андроиду ?
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[11:17:27] singularity: ну да был не прав. Ждем питон для Андротд :-D
[11:17:37] webninja: убунте тоже линукс!
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[11:18:27] singularity: а андроид ?
[11:18:38] maodzedun: вы мыслите кудато в другую сторону. Напишу я программу под мобильник и что я напишу в маркете ? Для того что бы она у вас заработала установите себе на теелфон убунту вместо анлроида ?
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[11:18:55] maodzedun: андроид тоже линукс но спецефический
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[11:58:54] singularity: Скпчал DWARF FORTRESS
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[12:01:06] wiz: singularity, напиши для неё бота
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[12:03:53] singularity: Зачем?
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[12:06:03] singularity: и что оно так долго генерирует ?
тупняк какойто
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[12:14:07] singularity: я не догнал чесно говоря.
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[12:28:22] webninja: гг
[12:28:25] webninja: слишком сложно )
[12:28:55] webninja: !g dwarf fortress быстрый старт wiki
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[12:29:24] webninja: там все написано )
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[12:34:18] maodzedun: чото у миня пишарм под маком не видит wxwidgets
[12:34:56] singularity: питон-модуль для работы есть?
[12:35:54] maodzedun: да из других редакторов пашет
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[12:40:50] maodzedun: И тишина
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[12:43:06] maodzedun: http://paste.org.ru/?5nkwha
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[12:47:09] xa4a: maodzedun: а почему ты думаешь, что если ты сисадмин, то тебе нужны графические интерфейсы?
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[12:52:23] singularity: что такое alpha value ?
[12:52:56] maodzedun: потому что надо написать приложения для Узеров..
[12:53:13] singularity: "It is a measure of how opaque (that is, not transparent) a
color is" цвет будет не прозрачный
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[13:05:04] gigimon: maodzedun: добавь в настрйоках проекта у пичарма путь к wxwisgets
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[13:10:26] wiz: singularity, уровень прозрачности
[13:10:48] aries.ua: Народ, скажите как в джанге темплейте сделать
{% for t in a.my_func False %}
Т.е False надо передать параметром в my_func?
[13:11:20] wiz: никак
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[13:11:24] gigimon: а никак
[13:11:42] gigimon: нехрен передавать в функции параметры в темплейтах)
[13:11:48] aries.ua: ну и ладно, делов. Сделаю по другому
[13:11:57] wiz: def my_func_false(self): return self.my_func(False)
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[13:13:17] aries.ua: так и сделал :)
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[13:46:00] xa4a: maodzedun: пиши веб-интерфейсы
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[13:47:05] maodzedun: ето сложно очень и не всегда то что надо ето ж надо джангу учить какуюто
[13:47:45] xa4a: угу
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[13:48:30] singularity: maodzedun: а чем ты занимаешся ?
[13:49:06] maodzedun: в плане ?:
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[13:49:47] singularity: какого рода софт ты пишеш
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[13:52:26] maodzedun: та я пока ничо не пишу ! я тока учу питон ! То есть максимум там скрпты всякие! Например сверка двх папок на предмет разных файлов с последующим архивированием разницы и логами. но вот есть неободимость в маленьком екзешнике который будет по кнопкам кое что делать по паролю и та кдалее там уже надо гуи.
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[14:23:42] singularity: Как сохранить лист или кортеж на диске?
[14:24:17] singularity: типа pickle
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[14:25:09] gigimon: singularity: в файл)
[14:25:11] gigimon: или запиклить
[14:25:19] gigimon: в json виде
[14:25:46] xa4a: singularity: pickle
[14:25:50] singularity: а как в файл ? там только строки пишутся
[14:26:36] xa4a: pickle.dump
[14:26:45] singularity: Прийдеться делать обджект с одним атрибутом ?
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[14:32:01] singularity: The following types can be pickled:
None, True, and False
integers, long integers, floating point numbers, complex numbers
normal and Unicode strings
tuples, lists, sets, and dictionaries containing only picklable objects
functions defined at the top level of a module
built-in functions defined at the top level of a module
classes that are defined at the top level of a module
[14:32:28] singularity: дока крутая
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[14:34:28] wiz: дампь словарь
[14:34:29] wiz: словари труъ
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[14:46:10] singularity: AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'dump'
[14:46:24] singularity: 2.7 чето ругается
[14:46:31] singularity: 2.6 норм
[14:46:35] singularity: мистика
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[14:48:03] singularity: хотя нет это wing
[14:48:25] xa4a: singularity: http://docs.python.org/release/2.7/library/pickle.html#module-pickle
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[15:44:52] maodzedun: а никто не пользуеться pycharm - ом ?:
[15:45:10] nmk: /me пользуется
[15:46:10] maodzedun: не подскажете в чем причина ошибки
ImportError: /usr/local/lib/wxPython-unicode-2.8.12.1/lib/python2.7/site-packages/wx-2.8-mac-unicode/wx/_core_.so: no appropriate 64-bit architecture (see "man python" for running in 32-bit mode)
При этом рядом стоящие Eclipse и Sublime работаю нормально?
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[15:48:36] nmk: maodzedun: может тут что написано? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2565201/wxpython-incompatible-with-snow-leopard
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[15:50:04] maodzedun: дык в других ИДЕ то оно работает
[15:50:30] nmk: другие ide запускают интерпретатор в 32х битах?
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[15:55:18] maodzedun: наверное! вот у меня сейчас запузен еклипс и пишарм! в еклипсе нормально без ошибок в пишарме ошибки при запуске одного и того же скрипта
[15:57:11] maodzedun: то есть для еклипса вот ето сработало
[15:57:15] maodzedun: http://blog.widenhome.com/2011/02/02/setting-up-wxpython-dev-environment-on-mac/
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[15:58:32] gigimon: эклипс та 32 бита наверняка
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[15:59:02] nmk: maodzedun: самое простое я думаю pycharm запустить в 32х битах. она и памяти будет жрать меньше
[16:00:04] maodzedun: методом тыка удалось победить ! нужно было указыть не абсолютный путь до питона а симлинком. то есть через /usr/bin/python
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[17:34:45] webninja: DWARF FORTRESS!!!!
[17:34:56] maodzedun: та харе уже
[17:35:08] webninja: я саботирую работу рубиловом в dwarf fortress
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[17:44:01] xa4a: майнкрафт бы уже..
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[17:44:26] xa4a: я вот саботирую работу тем, что нашёл у чувака на столе незадействованный kinesis advantage. сижу, руки ломаю..
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[17:53:37] slav0nic: а я чемп мемориал Таля смарю
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[17:54:01] gigimon: а я просто домой иду
[17:54:20] gigimon: xa4a: и как клава та?
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[17:54:55] slav0nic: gigimon, poltergeist с форума юзает, говорит удобно
[17:55:14] xa4a: пока что - скрипит и очень напряжно
[17:55:31] xa4a: в мануале обещают за несколько часов научусь
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[17:55:53] xa4a: руки стоят на месте и не двигаются - это "+"
[17:57:13] xa4a: двигаютсят только когда надо посмотреть на клаву и найти какую-то клавишу, которую хз куда спрятали
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[18:00:32] xa4a: возможно, это ещё усугубляется тем, что в виме. мышечная память вся насмарку – кроме того, что код писать, надо ещё вспоминать какие клавиши нажимать, потом искать их :)
[18:01:14] xa4a: про русский я вообще даже не говорю)
[18:02:01] mishok13: ты русский не вслепую печатаешь?
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[18:02:55] mishok13: наверное тут конечно зависит от предыдущей клавиатуры
[18:03:23] xa4a: у меня на макбучной русских букв нет, но по привычке смотрю на кнопки :(
[18:03:26] mishok13: я пробовал только один раз, но последние пять лет я только на MS Natural сижу — мне показалось очень удобной клавиатура
[18:03:36] mishok13: ааа, макбучная
[18:03:43] mishok13: да, от этого будет ломка
[18:03:59] xa4a: а на кривой - это не работает
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[18:04:33] xa4a: то есть я сначала сидел на макбучной с русскими буквами - на глазах прожёг изображения
[18:04:50] xa4a: теперь когда смотрю на клаву без русских макбучную - вижу их)
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[18:13:12] levsha: /me ничего не видит. И на рабочей русских букв нету. И не надо
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[18:33:04] webninja: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICFP_Programming_Contest
[18:33:10] webninja: во что скоро будет ) можно зарубится всей конфой
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[18:37:56] xa4a: всей конфой не стоит
[18:38:06] xa4a: но тут каждый год кто-то участвует
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