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[01:48:31] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
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[12:37:33] xa4a: singularity: дело в том, что если впадать в такую крайность, то ни одному из доказательств нельзя полностью верить. А в случае, если нет доказательств, на которые можно опираться, то и прогресса, собственно, не будет
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[14:33:52] singularity: Мне надо обращаться к файлу с нескольких потоков. Проблем не будет ?
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[14:34:42] mrDoctorWho.: при чтении нет
[14:34:46] singularity: Или надо какую-нибудь очердь организовать ? + оно будет поток тормозить
[14:34:48] mrDoctorWho.: при записи в винде будут проблемы
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[14:35:03] singularity: нет писать надо
[14:35:14] singularity: И че делать?
[14:35:25] singularity: А в лине что?
[14:35:31] mrDoctorWho.: а линь не блокирует файлы
[14:36:19] mrDoctorWho.: я юзаю такой код:
[14:36:35] mrDoctorWho.: wsmph = threading.Semaphore()
def write_file(name, data, mode = "w"):
with wsmph:
with open(name, mode) as fp:
fp.write(data)

[14:36:36] singularity: не понял . а как информация будет записана?
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[14:36:57] mrDoctorWho.: singularity: будет записана по очереди по мере обращения
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[14:37:28] singularity: А в вине ?
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[14:37:45] mrDoctorWho.: вот этого не знаю, но думаю что так же как и в лине
[14:38:07] mrDoctorWho.: если вино = wine
[14:38:15] singularity: (13:34:48) mrDoctorWho.: при записи в винде будут проблемы
[14:38:36] mrDoctorWho.: ну будет ошибка оси что файл уже открыт
[14:39:49] cutwater: singularity: не пиши в один файл из разных потоков
[14:40:00] cutwater: это обычно признак плохого дизайна системы и ты этого не хочешь верно?
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[14:40:27] singularity: cutwater: а как надо ? бд брать ?
[14:40:36] singularity: типа sqlite
[14:40:50] cutwater: sqlite типа тоже не очень дружит с многопоточными приложениями
[14:41:11] mrDoctorWho.: семафорить потоки
[14:42:28] singularity: "семафорить потоки" как это загуглить ?
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[14:42:37] mrDoctorWho.: да блин
[14:42:58] mrDoctorWho.: threading.Semaphore() гугли
[14:43:32] mrDoctorWho.: насколько я знаю, в семафоре можно указать количество одновременно выполняемых операций. Все другие встают в очередь
[14:43:33] singularity: спс . посмотрю
[14:44:11] mrDoctorWho.: вот например threading.Semaphore(60)
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[14:53:08] gigimon: singularity: тебе правильно говорят, писать в файл из разных потоков плохо. Сделай 1 который писать будет, либо думай архитектуру лучше
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[15:01:36] singularity: Ок , буду думать .
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[15:23:20] singularity: Это типа в python три модуля для многопоточности ? А какой брать ? я юзал просто thread
[15:24:31] mrDoctorWho.: threading пользуй. Там вроде бы один юзает другой.
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[15:25:59] singularity: Вроде ? Может єто про " using an API similar to the threading module"
[15:26:12] singularity: http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html
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[15:26:22] cutwater: это несколько другое
[15:26:26] wiz: also, with wsmph, open(name, mode) as fp:
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[15:28:10] mrDoctorWho.: ага. Поправил у себя.
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[15:30:44] xa4a: singularity: а что ты хочешь получить в результате записи в файл из нескольких потоков?
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[15:34:50] xa4a: mrDoctorWho.: почему у тебя семафор, а не Lock/RLock ?
[15:35:08] mrDoctorWho.: xa4a: а потому что я не слышал про lock и rlock
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[15:35:30] mrDoctorWho.: мне редко очень надо писать многопоточно в файл
[15:35:30] xa4a: уу.. резонно)
[15:35:31] mrDoctorWho.: ы
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[15:35:58] mrDoctorWho.: я изучал только то, что мне было нужно в определённый момент
[15:36:13] singularity: xa4a: я хочу собрать информацию с сайта и хочу ускорить это дело . Ожидание и обработка в один поток долго
[15:36:15] xa4a: судя по куску коды выше, тебе нужен был просто Lock ;)
[15:36:21] singularity: Думаю нада БД
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[15:36:55] gigimon: singularity: ты парсишь сайт или 1 страницу в 1 поток?
[15:37:13] gigimon: да и вообще, вон юзай grab
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[15:38:06] cutwater: singularity: ну на крайность ты можешь писать в несколько файлов а потом собирать это в один не?
[15:38:18] xa4a: mapreduce FTW :)
[15:38:23] cutwater: +1
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[15:40:27] singularity: xa4a: ?
[15:40:55] xa4a: singularity: если ты хочешь в файле получить линейно упорядоченные данные, то надо писать из одного потока
[15:41:46] xa4a: но вариант cutwater будет работать и если ты будешь на нескольких тредах/процессах/компах запускать свою программу
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[15:44:23] gigimon: так если мержить потом файлы, то тоже как получится же
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[15:49:05] xa4a: у нас, кстати, снова ищут много людей, который знают толк в том, как юниксы работают, и как писать программки для нескольких компьютеров, хоть на питоне
[15:49:54] singularity: "хоть на питоне"
А чо так ?
[15:49:55] cutwater: ну каг бэ
[15:50:10] xa4a: singularity: можно и на плюсах
[15:50:10] cutwater: насколько надо знать как юниксы работают?
[15:50:23] cutwater: признаюсь сразу в ядро не лазил
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[15:50:40] xa4a: cutwater: описать, что делает fork() например
[15:50:50] xa4a: или поразмышлять о том, что хранится в st_struct
[15:50:56] xa4a: st_stat
[15:51:02] singularity: "для нескольких компьютеров"
кросплатформенное ?
[15:51:05] xa4a: или как оно там
[15:51:14] xa4a: singularity: нет. несколько одинаковых
[15:51:42] cutwater: xa4a: ты имеешь ввиду struct stat ?
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[15:51:46] xa4a: именно
[15:51:47] singularity: ясно . распределенное
[15:51:57] xa4a: cutwater: вот, видимо, это не обязательно знать)
[15:52:08] cutwater: xa4a: ну я на вскидку все поля не расскажу. но в принципе что-то из этого использовал
[15:52:42] xa4a: все рассказывать не надо
[15:52:43] cutwater: типа права, device, inode, 2-3 timestamp
[15:52:58] xa4a: да, такой глубины может быть достаточно
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[15:53:30] cutwater: inode это по-моему номер блока...
[15:54:04] cutwater: ну чуть ошибся. википедия подсказывает другое
[15:54:48] cutwater: xa4a: ну в принципе можно будет попрбовать. тем более если верить вашему HR, два месяца с момента прошлого собеседования прошло. можно попробовать еще раз
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[15:59:15] singularity: Кто-нибудь из присутсвующих читал все PEP*ы ?
[15:59:47] singularity: Мне страшно смотреть на их количество
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[16:00:38] cutwater: а зачем?
[16:01:41] singularity: Ну они кагбе все важны . Особенно нубу
[16:01:53] cutwater: LOLWUT ?
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[16:03:53] wiz: свой питончик сделать
[16:03:59] cutwater: ну да
[16:04:03] cutwater: нубы пхп пишут свои фреймворки
[16:04:08] cutwater: нуб питона пишет свой питон
[16:04:14] cutwater: хардкорненько
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[19:01:39] singularity: Мммм.. свой питончик сделать
[19:02:04] singularity: Надо добавить в свой ToDo лист ))
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[20:50:20] abus56rus: всем привет
[20:51:06] abus56rus: с помощью какого модуля можно работать c mysql в python 3.2
[20:51:09] abus56rus: ?
[20:51:29] andreyjkee: sqlalchemy?
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[20:52:06] andreyjkee: или ты про драйвер?
[20:52:16] abus56rus: драйвер
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[21:00:38] abus56rus: а есть что нить попроще sqlalchemy?
[21:01:05] abus56rus: типа MySQLdb тока под версию 3,2
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[21:05:17] xa4a: abus56rus: виндос?
[21:05:24] abus56rus: ubuntu
[21:06:08] xa4a: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysql-python/forums/forum/70460/topic/3831691
[21:06:28] xa4a: тут, правда, про винду
[21:06:36] xa4a: но если под винду есть, то под убунту - должно быть точно
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[21:08:42] abus56rus: тогда мне проще использовать mypysql, он просто медленно работает
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[21:57:38] singularity: mypysql, а чем замеряеш?
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[22:18:49] abus56rus: скоростью выполнения, выполняю на самом сервере, и через python, в питоне результат появляется через 3-5сек, в mysl administrator сразу
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[22:19:14] singularity: не факт что это драйвер
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[22:20:14] singularity: А чем вообще это замерить ?
[22:21:40] singularity: Как такая штука называется ?
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[22:24:14] xa4a: называется бенчмарк
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[22:24:40] singularity: А конкретней для python ?
[22:25:02] singularity: Пример такой штуки
[22:26:27] xa4a: import timeit
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