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[07:28:04] un1qum: добрый день, вот встала потребность на питоне скрипт написать, wmk_list = os.popen("ls | grep .wmv")
работало нормально, теперь пишет grep: ошибка записи: Обрыв канала
в чем беда подскажите пожалуйста?
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[08:56:18] un1qum: Уважаемые питонщики есть не спящие?
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[11:25:34] slav0nic: 001.doc
002.xls
chess
coding
config
configure.html
cs.sh
Desktop
docs
dotfiles
Downloads
Dropbox
en_winxp_pro_with_sp2_vl.iso
fonts
form-example-new.rar
from_win
gambler.sh
games
IQ.doc
lpar1.iqmsg
pbankit.png
pip-log.txt
Plugins
private.key
project.zip
proxy.sh
qemu.sh
Reports
repos
server.csr
sql.ini
subversion.conf
SybaseIQ_Workshop_2011(RU).pptx
tel_dep.odt
UNIVER
vbo.txt
work
xcookies.txt
размер zpiq.xls
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[12:36:34] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
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[13:52:20] _lorien: чё-то у меня не работает
[13:52:33] singularity: Кто ?
[13:52:44] _lorien: да никто не работает
[13:52:50] _lorien: в том числе и команда /sh
[13:53:10] Typhon: /sh
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[13:54:53] webninja: _lorien ты одмин тут? )
[13:55:05] _lorien: не
[13:55:07] _lorien: модер
[13:55:17] _lorien: а, не админ
[13:55:21] _lorien: ну короче не овнер :)
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[14:01:03] slav0nic: [12:58:05] webninja: _lorien ты одмин тут? )
переворот задумали, ироды? :P
[14:01:31] webninja: гг
[14:02:13] webninja: товарищи! долой значит империалистов. клавиатуры - программистам, швабры эникейщикам. ураа
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[14:17:42] gigimon: webninja: так, из праздного любопытства, к кому себя причисляешь?
[14:18:34] webninja: к эникейщикам очевидно )
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[14:26:04] Kobzar: ыв
[14:26:15] _lorien: к вебнинзям
[14:26:22] Kobzar: Тест ?:
[14:26:33] _lorien: Kobzar, не, не видно
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[14:32:23] Kobzar: да были проблемы с входом
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[14:59:35] _lorien: Kobzar, я шутил про не видно, если чо
[14:59:43] _lorien: ну т.е. видно тебя :)
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[15:00:35] Kobzar: Я вот решил ГУИ изучать - перечитал кучу инфы и ничего не могу выбрать !
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[15:00:59] Kobzar: wxPython давно не развиваеться! Куте непонятный. а ткинтер убогий
[15:01:03] Kobzar: грустно
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[15:01:28] xa4a: из твоего описания следует, что надо изучать qt
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[15:05:58] Kobzar: ох нелегкая моя сутьба
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[15:06:19] slav0nic: gi ещё есть, но с виндой тяжко
[15:06:49] Kobzar: не надо что бы и под линукс и под венду
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[15:10:03] xa4a: может веб-интерфейс лучше?
[15:10:06] xa4a: с локальным веб-сервером
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[15:11:56] webninja: а чо qt?
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[15:19:20] cutwater: Я бы конечно советовал писать гуи на Qt с изучения С++
[15:20:28] Kobzar: ну его тот СИ я туут питон ели осиливаю... а вот вебморда ето конечно идейно. Но на сколько я понял надо для этого учить Джангу ?
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[15:22:50] cutwater: Kobzar: так может ну его этот питон. вон посмотри какой легкий язык PHP
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[15:24:26] webninja: +1 за пхп
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[15:24:47] Kobzar: пхп втопку! облить хтмлем и сжечь! Пито мне нравиться тем что: кроссплатформенный, легкий в освоении. Интересен доступен и понятен. Кроме того я не программист и професиональный сфт не пишу. Я сисадмин и мне иногда надо какието свои утилиты ддля автоматизизации тех или иных процессов. И тут не всегда можно обойтись без гуи. потому веб сервер не факт что выручит . Основное направление все же будут приложения под винду и линукс.
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[15:25:20] webninja: легкий в освоении ну я хз )
[15:25:23] webninja: азы разве что
[15:25:28] cutwater: Kobzar: PHP тоже кроссплатформенный
[15:25:31] cutwater: и легкий в освоении
[15:25:35] cutwater: интересен доступен и понятен
[15:25:44] Kobzar: ПХП - УГ.
[15:25:45] cutwater: а для сисадмина лучше перл
[15:25:47] webninja: ну утилиты на пятоне явно интереснее писать
[15:25:55] cutwater: Kobzar: откуда ты это взял? тебе сказал друг по общаге?
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[15:26:07] webninja: чо перл еще жив?
[15:26:08] cutwater: webninja: не порть мне еду =)
[15:26:24] aries.ua: PHP must die!!!!
[15:26:25] cutwater: webninja: вообще-то жив, только ты никому не гвоори
[15:26:35] Kobzar: перл настолько дебилен - что понять его может только супермега программист с 10летним стажем при чем понимание присутствует лишь на момент написания кода.
[15:26:36] cutwater: aries.ua: webninja не портите мне еду.
[15:27:18] cutwater: Kobzar: странно. у меня нет 10летнего стажа, но я писал и на перле в том числе. Так может раз питон такой сложный, все таки PHP ? За него денег платят
[15:27:26] webninja: я слышал есть какая-то прога на перле которая выполняется без редактирования на нескольких языках ))
[15:27:27] alexey-grom: за это перл и любим
[15:27:30] cutwater: А у нас на питоне во второй столице фирм всего две
[15:27:37] cutwater: в которые не стыдно пойти на питоне писать
[15:27:42] webninja: ух где?
[15:27:46] cutwater: Остальное это веб и какие-то стартапы.
[15:27:51] cutwater: webninja: ну дык Харьков же
[15:27:52] webninja: cutwater расскажи
[15:27:53] slav0nic: да ладно, у нас не в столине и не РФ и то больше
[15:27:58] webninja: ааа блин я думал в питере
[15:28:18] cutwater: webninja: вообще-то у нас конфа называется pythonua
[15:28:22] Kobzar: ... я уже не говорю про то что бы смотреть чужой код на перле.. В общем. выбор очевиден. Питон! Питон читаем. Питон удобен. Питон гибок. Питон универсален. Для новичка питон - мечта !
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[15:28:39] slav0nic: cutwater, должна быть pythonsu )
[15:28:44] Kobzar: Да харе же пиарить етот ПХП - я не вебдизайне и мне шкурки рисовать не надо.
[15:28:57] cutwater: черт... легкий троллинг не прошел.
[15:29:07] webninja: да толсто очень )
[15:29:13] cutwater: Kobzar: не ну серьезно. ты же не осиливаешь Python, сам в этом признался.
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[15:29:41] Kobzar: Я его осиливаю. просто дальше мне надо ГУИ . на нем же! а куте ето ужи Си++ вдобавок
[15:29:42] cutwater: PHP тоже универсален. На нем монжо и GUI и даже демонов писать ^_^
[15:29:57] cutwater: Kobzar: ну и что. Питон это тоже С =))
[15:30:03] Kobzar: А материться можно на канале ?
[15:30:16] webninja: да
[15:30:18] Kobzar: а то очень хочеться йомко выразиться относительно ПХП
[15:30:24] cutwater: Kobzar: ну не желательно. иногда мне можно называть людей идиотами.
[15:30:27] webninja: этим выгодно отличается от канала python
[15:30:39] Kobzar: гггг
[15:30:41] cutwater: Kobzar: так с чего ты взял что PHP убог? ты на нем работал?
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[15:31:50] webninja: я на хабре почитал
[15:31:51] cutwater: ну вот мне просто любопытно. насколько ты обладаешь квалификацией, чтобы выносить безапеляционные авторитетные суждения.
[15:32:12] cutwater: я допустим раз в неделю пхпшников собеседую. =)
[15:32:32] webninja: да там достаточно того что все свалено в один нэймспэйс чтобы вполне обоснованно считать пхп гавном )
[15:32:46] cutwater: webninja: ну цыц не подсказывай
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[15:35:44] Kobzar: мля.. Представьте себе что вы админ. У вас групповыми политиками для пользователей закрыто все что можно и нельзя Грубо говоря открываеться тока ворд и браузер. Но в виду криворукости юзера вам все же надо админить ПК, при чем в связке с АД менять параметры именно под юзером. Запустить из под юзера runas мы не можем. Но можем написать приложение на питоне и разместить у всех на рабочем столе. по запуску которого будет требовать админский пароль и по нужной кнопке запускать с правами админа нужное мне приложение! Вот блять и скажите мне как я судя вобью ПХП ? И зачем мне извращаться в ПХП с методами взаимодействия с системой ? Питон писан на сях а потому у него глубокая интеграция, тот же линукс вобще с питоном идет сразу (убунту вон на 70 процентов на питоне накатана). А ПХП написан на .... заборе, который красили ХТМЛьшики. Посему - щитай вопрос по предложению изучения ПХП закрытым. Спасибо !
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[15:36:15] webninja: ВОРД!
[15:36:30] webninja: это виндовс чтоли?
[15:36:46] webninja: бааа
[15:36:47] webninja: а говорил что админ!
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[15:36:59] aries.ua: PHP MUST DIE!!! ЖВ
[15:37:00] aries.ua: :D
[15:37:44] Kobzar: Так я и есть одмин !
[15:37:49] webninja: убунту разве на 70% накатана на пятоне? утилитки многие да но не 70% же
[15:38:08] Kobzar: ладно на 69 процентов
[15:38:16] cutwater: Kobzar: пхп тоже написан на сях
[15:38:19] Kobzar: ну понятно что имеось в виду не яро и стема а приложеняи
[15:38:23] levsha: Kobzar: ты укуреный?
[15:38:30] cutwater: их этого не значит что он имеет глубокую интеграцию

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[15:38:56] webninja: давайте разберемся что такое глубокая интеграция ))
[15:38:59] levsha: про большой плюс питона "писан на сях" и "убунту вон на 70 процентов на питоне накатана" особо порадовало
[15:39:24] cutwater: /me просто за милю чует таких персонажей и старается отвести беду от Python & Co
[15:39:52] levsha: /me не любит php, но бред всякий тоже не любит
[15:40:03] webninja: надо не так. пятон удобный скриптовый язык, с большим кол-вом уже готовых инструментов (фабрик для деплоя, разные орм) при этом достаточно простой в освоении чтобы одмину было удобно писать скриптики.
[15:40:16] cutwater: webninja: говорю же не подсказывай
[15:40:27] cutwater: /me тоже не любит пхп, но может это аргументировать
[15:40:31] Kobzar: ладно. В виду моей малой квалификации в языках программирования попробуем зайти с другой стороны. Пожалуйста - давайте обсуждать предести других языков на других каналах. Я вырал из всех языков питон. он мне больше всех нравиться! И сейчас застрял с определением платформы для ГУИ. но судя по вашим ответам пришел к выводу что если нет необходимости то лутче нелезть в Куте и юзать wxPthon
[15:40:51] webninja: питон стал мэйнстримом
[15:40:53] cutwater: Kobzar: из всех языков тебе должен нравиться русский блять
[15:40:57] webninja: пора переходить на хаскель =(
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[15:41:15] levsha: и на erlang
[15:41:19] Kobzar: Рускей Блеать мне нравитцо тожи !
[15:41:20] cutwater: Kobzar: http://tsya.ru
[15:41:25] webninja: канал ваще pythonua пишите на украинском
[15:41:59] Kobzar: а ваще я смотрю канал веселый
[15:42:05] cutwater: зачекай хвилинку, я зараз пiдключу украiiнську
[15:42:14] xa4a: cutwater: да куча их в харькове же
[15:42:21] webninja: куте бери
[15:42:27] webninja: я бы куте взял
[15:42:31] Kobzar: Ніштяк! Я також підключив рідну мову!
[15:42:35] xa4a: начиная от 42кофекапов и до епама и глобаллоджика?
[15:42:39] cutwater: xa4a: куча то куча. но большая часть noname и редкие проекты в епаме
[15:42:46] cutwater: остальное стартапы
[15:42:51] Kobzar: Добря , щиро дякую за підказки - спробую таки розібратися з куте
[15:43:13] cutwater: краще з пхп. збережеш нам нерви
[15:43:19] webninja: дякую ))
[15:43:30] levsha: треба робити аналог http://mcfist.livejournal.com/12285.html
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[15:43:49] cutwater: xa4a: из крупных, питоноориентированных: Grid Dynamics и Mirantis
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[15:44:15] Kobzar: Вжопу ПХП ! ПХП - ПаршивоХєровеПрограмування
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[15:45:49] cutwater: а под винду надо учить PowerShell
[15:45:55] cutwater: вот лучший друг труЪ админа
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[15:47:18] Kobzar: Судячи з дебілізму синтаксису - ПШ також написаний на ПХП. до того ж за кім хєром нужен ПШ якщо він робить тільки на недоосі ?: Дуже гарна статейка про пхп та пітон http://seobreeze.net/?p=441
[15:47:58] slav0nic: Kobzar, на ру переключись таки
[15:48:09] xa4a: http://^seo.* -> ignore
[15:48:32] cutwater: +1
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[15:48:48] Kobzar: ладно. по дискутировали и хватит. Спасибо за совет. Попробую таки куте пощупать!
[15:49:02] webninja: во лучше зацените
[15:49:07] webninja: чо в мире происходит )
[15:49:13] webninja: Физики из Объединенного института квантовой физики (Joint Quantum Institute) который функционирует как одно из подразделений Национального института стандартов и технологий (National Institute of Standards and Technology) и университета Мэриленда, впервые в истории успешно сохранили и воспроизвели кадры короткометражного видео, используя в качестве носителя информации газ из атомов рубидия, находящийся при комнатной температуре.

[15:49:20] webninja: фантастика какая-то
[15:50:26] singularity is now chat
[15:50:27] webninja: http://seobreeze.net/?p=441 <<< ба ) этож Medar. он кстати давно уже не занимается этим сео, стартап небольшой пилит себе.
[15:50:29] xa4a: а сохранять кадры фильмов на магнитных сердечниках - не фантастика?
[15:50:43] Kobzar: ничосе... пункнул - физики прочитали - и тыт слил все свои пароли...
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[15:50:56] webninja: да не ) я не в том смысле. просто такая технология поражает воображение
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[15:52:10] alexey-grom: главное чтобы не поражала мозг
[15:52:18] singularity: Kobzar: ты заходил сюда в конференцею под другим ником пару дней назад ?
[15:52:22] alexey-grom: webninja: дай пруф
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[15:53:10] webninja: http://www.dailytechinfo.org/infotech/3704-fizikam-udalos-zapisat-i-vosproizvesti-video-ispolzuya-v-kachestve-nositelya-informacii-oblako-atomnogo-para.html
[15:53:21] alexey-grom: спс
[15:53:24] Kobzar: Ник был такой же ! Разве что полный Alex Kobzar
[15:53:26] cutwater: >>>Плюсы питона:
>>>1. Комьюнити: нет такого количество “программистов”, которые не то, что программировать – копируемый код читать не умеют.

С приходом Kobzar и компании с python.su мне начинает казаться что скоро это перестанет быть плюсом питона =)

[15:53:28] Kobzar: а что ?
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[15:54:35] singularity: Зато будет большое как у php ))
[15:54:52] webninja: раньше на пятоне прогала илита! а щаз туда ломятся пхпшники с хабра!
[15:55:07] singularity: Кстати это для тебя лично очень даже хорошо
[15:55:16] xa4a: да, интересно про газы
[15:55:42] cutwater: webninja: надо уходить на хаскел. там продолжает тусить илита
[15:55:44] cutwater: :-D
[15:55:58] Kobzar: Слушайте. Я прекрасно понимаю что я в питоне полный ноль. Я же не отрицаю этого. Да и не программист я, и работаю в смежной сфере. Просто вместо того что бы сидеть в контактах или ВОве - решил тратить свое время на изучение этого чудесного языка. Так что я не обижаюсь на ваши издевки относительно меня и питона.
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[15:56:58] singularity: Так иди и учи . Сейчас ты почти сидиш вконтакте и читаеш всякую хрень ))
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[15:57:20] webninja: ну для начала можно своим ходом начать. я уверен сразу на Qt сесть и писать интерфейсы не получится
[15:58:07] cutwater: тем более что для понимания доков Qt лучше читать их в С++ ном варианте
[15:58:10] cutwater: они там более актуальные
[15:58:38] webninja: бери этого, как его - лутца или луца
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[15:58:48] webninja: или на python.org все есть.
[15:59:34] Kobzar: я прошел уже книгу лутца - но она красиво заканчивается не доходя до ГУИ. Гуи - это отдельная тема.
[15:59:40] singularity: И какой обом надо чтобы закачать все видео с ютуба ?
[15:59:52] cutwater: Kobzar: ты уже знаешь зачем нужны метаклассы?
[16:00:17] cutwater: вы уж простите, настроение у меня сегодня хорошее
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[16:00:25] singularity: Метакласы это абстрактные класы ?
[16:00:27] Kobzar: Нет. :( в моих примитивных программах (скрипты) такие вещи есще не были востребованы..
[16:00:41] alexey-grom: cutwater: вообще лутц писал что они не нужны 95% программистов
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[16:00:52] Kobzar: Я даже придумать ничего такого не могу что бы потребовалось то о чем вы говорите.
[16:01:05] levsha: singularity: wtf обом?
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[16:01:35] cutwater: Kobzar: и ты уже знаешь какие типы данных могут выступать ключами в dict ?
[16:01:47] alexey-grom: и типа, если вы не знаете зачем они вам нужны - значит они вам не нужны )
[16:01:47] singularity: Ъ
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[16:05:15] Kobzar: все прийдет с опытом.
[16:05:58] cutwater: Kobzar: читай еще лутца. он полезный.
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[16:19:24] Kobzar: ну я прочитал 4 версию книги. по ка сложных вопросов не возникало. а если нужно - есть гугл. Справляюсь вобщем. Но вот с гуями - сложнее! По тому же wxPython слишком мало литературы. есть всего две книжки и то основном справочники. Хотя этого в прицыпе должно быть достаточно. Но учитывая ваши советы - все же попробую разобраться с куте.
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[16:21:02] singularity: Tkinter зе бест ! xD
[16:22:11] Kobzar: чо ж тогда везде в тырнете любое упоминание Гуи под питон начинаеться со слов "Ткинтер убог и бла бла бла поэтому расммотри пример на ...дальше варианты"
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[16:26:47] cutwater: Kobzar: apt-get install pyside
[16:26:55] cutwater: ну а вообще конечно лучше гуй под винду писать на дотнетах
[16:27:00] cutwater: серьезно
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[16:30:09] Kobzar: хм. то есть если у меня будет программа с использованием pyside и я ее потом соберу в какойто exe файл - то под виндой она будет работать или же необходимо будет ставить на винду qt ?
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[16:30:54] cutwater: не страдал такой фигней как собирать под винду exe из питона
[16:31:43] cutwater: Kobzar: в любом случае тебе придется таскать Qt и PySide (PyQt) с собой. А в каком виде это уже тебе решать
[16:32:18] Kobzar: ну для меня это вопрос важный. Судя по всему так мне пока вобще рано смотреть в сторону wxPython или pyside и надо освоить Tkinter
[16:33:03] cutwater: Kobzar: тебе чисто под винду или все таки кроссплатформ ? это важно
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[16:35:04] Kobzar: вобще конечно желатено винда\линукс. Но под линуксом есть встроенный питон и можно обойтись консолью. Под винду прийдется собирать ехе файлы, потому тянуть с ними куте не вариант. так что пока обойдусь встроенным ткинтером. если будет нехватать функционала то уже буду смотреть в сторону более серьезного инструмента ГУИ. Ибо нефиг мне прыгать сразу до небес...
[16:37:53] cutwater: Если чисто под винду - не мучай себя. на C# идеально пишутся гуи для винды.
[16:38:42] singularity: Kobzar << чувак реально не знает что он хочет
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[16:41:09] Kobzar: Я си не знаю. а учить не хочу. Я пока тока питон изучаю, не хватало еще один язык учить. Я знаю что я хочу - просто неправильно задаю вопрос. Идея в том что бы написанный мной код с использованием графики запускался на линуксе из файла *.py и на винде из ехе файла (ну что бы не нуно было ставить на винду интепритатор языка а то не очень интеерсно на 300 и выше пк юзеров ставить питон что бы моя программа работал)
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[16:42:51] singularity: А как ты обновляеш ПО ? У тебя нет никаких механизмов для этого ?
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[16:44:31] Kobzar: Есть. Но я не собираюсь ставить на все пк юзеров интерпритатор языка.
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[16:45:05] Kobzar: только что прощупал ткинтер - ох и уродский же он.... примеры на wx куда красивей и приятней...
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[16:45:17] cutwater: Kobzar: похоже ты таки не ощущаешь даже разницы между С, С++, С#
[16:45:23] cutwater: при этом ты все три называешь "си"
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[16:46:05] cutwater: Kobzar: ты нипаверишь. интерпретатор ставить придется всегда. просто так ты будешь тащить его вместе со своей программой
[16:46:53] cutwater: вообще достаточно написать небольшой загрузчик на си, который даст тебе желаемый exe, слинковать с библиотекой python.dll и запустить питоновский код
[16:46:53] singularity: Кстати для C# тоже прыдеться поставить .NET FrameWork
[16:47:24] cutwater: singularity: ну мы живем в 2012 году. на современной винде .NET изкоробки
[16:47:31] Kobzar: к сожалению так и есть. я не знаю разницы между сями. ЭЭЭ то есть ? если я захочу скомпилить ехе из файла py то при запуске под виндой етого файла будет устанавливаться интепритаторпитона или как ?
[16:48:06] singularity: Win7?
[16:48:10] cutwater: Kobzar: ну разница лишь в том что интепретатор будет "зашит" в твою программу.
[16:48:30] singularity: Думаю в XP нет его
[16:48:31] singularity: или старый
[16:48:34] cutwater: Kobzar: то есть фактически ты тащищь dll c питоном, которая запускает его
[16:48:41] cutwater: singularity: забуть об XP, на дворе 2012 год же
[16:48:59] cutwater: *забудь
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[16:49:44] cutwater: Kobzar: как бы будет он ставиться в систему или лежать рядом с твоей программой... разница небольшая
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[16:50:20] cutwater: нет ну ты конечно можешь все зашить в один exe.... только так нормальные люди не делают. только нубы, которых пугают много файлов.
[16:50:58] singularity: Kobzar: у вас XP ведь ?
[16:51:36] cutwater: при этом я боюсь что PyQt и PySide не работают с статически слинкованными библиотеками либо это крайне геморно. короче игра не стоит свеч. поэтому в любом случае у тебя будет > чем 1 exe
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[16:55:33] cutwater: Kobzar: .NET действительно более Ъ для твоих задач.
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[16:57:43] webninja: и Mono!
[16:58:15] cutwater: Mono фтопку. Написать на питоне виртуальную машину для C# ^_^ вот путь истинных джедаев
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[16:58:38] webninja: лучше тогда на jython'е
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[16:58:56] webninja: чтобы кросплатформенность была
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[17:02:06] wiz: юзай хацкель. он и с вендой дружит и няшный, как питон
[17:02:12] wiz: и ffi у него вполне адекватные
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[17:03:36] webninja: и компилируется!
[17:03:40] webninja: и строгая типизация!
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[17:05:07] webninja: а правда ли что все функции в хаскеле являются чистыми?
[17:05:49] webninja: и не имеют побочных эффектов
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[18:41:33] aries.ua: Как в SQLAlchemy в filter указать NOT?
[18:42:08] xa4a: в джанге вот - вместо filter() просто exclude()
[18:43:14] alexey-grom: from sqlalchemy.sql.expression import not_
Model.query.filter(not_(Model.field==0))
[18:43:51] alexey-grom: там еще or_ и and_
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[18:43:57] aries.ua: ага пасиб!
[18:43:59] aries.ua: :)
[18:44:11] xa4a: а почему там не сделали чтобы без черточек работало?
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[18:44:55] alexey-grom: ну может еще как-то можно, кроме этого
[18:45:01] alexey-grom: что без черточек )
[18:45:05] alexey-grom: *чтоб
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[18:46:24] aries.ua: and - к примеру системное имя питона
[18:46:38] aries.ua: как и not и or
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[18:47:49] alexey-grom: aries.ua: да не, xa4a имеет ввиду, чтобы питоньим выражением алхимия понимала и принимала фильтр
[18:48:05] xa4a: именно
[18:48:28] xa4a: там ведь в Model.field и так какая-нить магия лежит
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[20:32:17] _lorien: кто-нить rabbitmq юзал, там есть такая фишка, чтобы задания самоудалялись, если их не запросили в течение некоторого времени?
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