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[00:15:19] webninja: slav0nic типа вилку сделал? )
[00:15:39] slav0nic: вилки бвин банит)
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[00:16:00] webninja: у меня так товарищ делает. можно чутка заработать ) очень мало. он надеялся автоматизировать, но там флэш кругом и граб не прокатил.
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[00:24:03] _lorien: чё-то странно щас смотрю трансляцию
[00:24:21] _lorien: по-моему надо справа не в центр пасы давать, а пробежать по флангу и пас дать
[00:24:43] _lorien: греки вон
[00:24:47] webninja: бааа на конфе emacs ) piranha появился
[00:24:58] _lorien: заебись добегают по флангу, хуяк пасы оттуда по линии ворот
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[00:39:08] xa4a: вон на УТ-1 тоже футбол
[00:39:25] xa4a: а, поздно уже
[00:40:13] slav0nic: в первом тайме рвали и тупо слили на доп минуте =\
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[01:11:20] xa4a: а туториал по Go заканчивается кравлером..
[01:11:31] xa4a: хорошо, хоть там парсера ещё нет..
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[09:19:35] webninja: парсеры это гуглоугодное дело ) гугл сам делает и нам завещал
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[12:35:02] _lorien: его ж вроде гугл закрыл
[12:35:04] _lorien: на хабре писали
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[12:43:38] Tony: хотя конечно, нахуй им такой то конкурент андройду
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[13:43:08] singularity: с = 5
с = с+4
[13:43:26] singularity: Это ведь правильно ? почему эрор
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[13:43:48] Tony: что за ошибка?
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[13:45:14] singularity: Ошыбка называется Punto
[13:45:18] singularity: :)
[13:45:29] gigimon: не юзай пунто
[13:45:32] Tony: те кто не могут в слепой метод набора не люди
[13:45:37] gigimon: точнее автосмену языка
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[13:46:18] singularity: Не, я IDE добавлю в исключения ))
[13:46:29] Tony: часто во всяких банках не могу смотреть как тетеньки двумя пальцами набивают реквизиты по пять минут
[13:46:44] singularity: Tony: я не двома
[13:46:50] singularity: пальцами
[13:46:55] Tony: тремя?)
[13:47:14] singularity: вроде всема 10 , но на клаву смотрю часто
[13:47:53] singularity: да и он "c" на "с" сменил хрен заметиш
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[13:48:05] singularity: Да я так назвал переменную
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[13:48:56] singularity: *ошибка
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[13:52:09] _lorien: с = с+4
не pep-8 угодный код
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[13:53:47] singularity: А в физических формулах как называть переменные ?
[13:54:04] singularity: F = m*a
[13:54:30] _lorien: force = mass * accelleration
[13:54:32] _lorien: :)
[13:54:32] singularity: Power = masa * yscorenie &
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[13:54:53] _lorien: ну так тоже можно
[13:54:54] singularity: А точки в геомтрии ?
[13:55:10] _lorien: tochka_a, tockha_be
[13:56:12] singularity: Кстати я читал pep8
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[13:56:25] Tony: мало читать, нужно следовать
[13:56:46] singularity: Там написано что это для разработчиков python
[13:57:14] singularity: а не для всех python програмистов
[13:57:19] _lorien: это для разработчиков *на* python :)
[13:57:25] _lorien: чё-то я не верю
[13:57:30] _lorien: покажи цитату из документа
[13:58:17] Tony: for python developers? :)
[13:58:23] singularity: pep7 вообще про C . цитату сейчас дам
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[13:59:10] singularity: This document gives coding conventions for the Python code comprising the __standard library in the main Python distribution__
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[14:00:01] singularity: Или я не правилно перевел ?
[14:00:48] _lorien: я чё-то даже хз
[14:00:48] singularity: Кстати я не понял почему это плохо More than one space around an assignment (or other) operator to align it with another.
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[14:01:29] singularity: типа
sparta = 3
rr = 4
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[14:02:23] Сволота: шрифты бывают и немоноширинными
[14:02:38] alexey-grom: да все в pep нормально, только 79 символов нозит
[14:02:42] _lorien: я даже не знаю, что сказать, просто уёбщино выглядит и всё тут )
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[14:03:44] _lorien: singularity, я не знаю как та фраза переводится, но pep8 он для всех, это тебе скажут 99% программистов на питон
[14:03:50] _lorien: которые работают с питоне более 1-2 лет
[14:04:01] _lorien: вот даже смотри тот пеп8 документ: Python coders from non-English speaking countries: please write your comments in English, unless you are 120% sure that the code will never be read by people who don't speak your language.
[14:04:09] Сволота: 79 - маловато, а как же макароны готовить...
[14:04:21] webninja: я уже скоро 2а года программист )
[14:04:22] _lorien: если бы документ был только про разработку сорцов для stdlib, то этого абзаца просто не могло бы там быть
[14:05:02] webninja: года 1.5 назад я тут жаловался что жанга статику не показывает ) а вы меня в гугл отправляли
[14:05:52] webninja: sparta = 3
rr = 4 <<< это ад ваще )
[14:05:52] Сволота: если не знаешь куда лучше послать - пошли в гугл :-D
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[14:06:49] webninja: ваще если с кем-то вместе что-то делать, кто лучше пятонит то скилл намного быстрее растет.
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[14:07:36] Tony: _lorien, я бы вместо unless добавил even
[14:07:42] singularity: Я думал что на пункт про 79 можно забить, но в виндах консоль не выводит в одну строчку больше 80 символов %)
[14:08:04] _lorien: она настраивается
[14:08:09] Tony: венда
[14:08:11] _lorien: через иконку в левом верхнем углу
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[14:09:31] singularity: круто ))
[14:10:43] singularity: Значит можно забить на этот пункт )
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[14:12:12] webninja: не надо )
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[14:13:02] singularity: Кстати пробелы
sparta = 3
rr = 4
в pygame на каждом шагу
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[14:13:45] webninja: это провокация
[14:14:13] _lorien: значит pygame говно
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[14:14:43] _lorien: singularity, запости автору багрепорт со ссылкой на pep-8 :)
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[14:14:58] Tony: bottle тоже говно по нотации
[14:15:13] Tony: дохуя стороннего софта который на pep-8 хуй положил
[14:15:31] alexey-grom: в стдлиб, местами, наверное, тоже провокация
[14:15:32] Сволота: у них своя нотация
[14:15:33] webninja: что за боттл?
[14:15:44] Tony: webninja, google :)
[14:15:52] webninja: !g bottle
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[14:16:36] webninja: гугл опасный ) предугадывает что нужно
[14:17:31] Сволота: в стандартной библиотеке есть такая функция?
def id(x):return x
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[14:20:51] singularity: Мб ошибся кто? def id(x):return self.x
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[14:22:12] Сволота: и откуда там self взялся?
[14:23:15] Сволота: мне id надо чтобы использовать лямды в качестве декораторов, ибо без этого синтаксис непозволяет
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[14:25:01] Сволота: вообще синтаксис у этого языка какойто непродуманый
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[15:22:03] singularity: Как выйти з for ? return не работает
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[15:24:17] singularity: или никак ?
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[15:25:06] _lorien: жесть
[15:25:29] _lorien: singularity, прочитай http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
[15:25:40] _lorien: от начала до конца, несколько раз )
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[15:28:54] singularity: Break :)
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[15:57:29] Tony: зачем ты читал pep8?
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[15:59:32] Tony: мне категорически не нравится то что в twisted под веб очень мало годных фреймворков
[15:59:37] singularity: Послали вчера )
[15:59:38] Tony: web/web2 уныние и только
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[16:00:45] singularity: Вчера послали )
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[16:09:00] _lorien: фреймворки для чего?
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[16:09:55] Tony: да тупое надо, роутинг урлов человеческий, темплейты человеческие
[16:10:08] Tony: tx.web уныло
[16:10:17] Tony: еще и не поддерживается
[16:10:20] Tony: web2 тем более
[16:10:26] Tony: nevow - полумертв и говно
[16:11:35] _lorien: а, веб-сайтики
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[16:20:47] xa4a: webninja: гугл, кстати, уже знает, какие темы тебя интересуют, и скоро будет повзволять смсотреть их и редактировать
[16:21:05] webninja: ну да историю ведет
[16:21:14] xa4a: и анализирует
[16:21:21] xa4a: не исключено, что и бота уже запомнил) хотя он без кук ходит
[16:21:23] webninja: мне например показывает что нужно если я гуглю что-то даже если пятон забыл написать.
[16:21:47] webninja: какого бота?
[16:22:20] xa4a: silent_bob:
[16:22:21] singularity: "хотя он без кук ходит" как?
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[16:22:29] xa4a: что он всё питон да питон ищет
[16:22:32] webninja: ааа маджик поня. ну да может быть
[16:22:39] xa4a: singularity: https://bitbucket.org/xa4a/xapy/src/771f44b6a2b9/xapy/processors/googleProc.py
[16:23:00] singularity: Не как его запомнили ?
[16:23:14] singularity: IP+UA&
[16:23:16] singularity: ?

[16:23:18] xa4a: ну мало ли… по айпишнику + юзерагент
[16:23:19] xa4a: у
[16:23:25] xa4a: может и нет
[16:24:27] Tony: хорошо что я всегда через тор и у меня самый дефолтный юзерагент
[16:24:41] webninja: может уже со спутника в монитор палят )))
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[16:24:45] xa4a: хотя в анонимном режиме на bottle тоже выдаёт фреймворк
[16:25:02] xa4a: так что спокуха, посоны)
[16:25:31] Tony: я вообще гугла боюсь
[16:25:55] Tony: мне кажется эта хуйня уже знает когда у меня в последний раз были поллюции
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[16:27:31] xa4a: Tony: но ведь если от этого результаты поиска станут более релевантны, в чём проблема? :)
[16:27:51] Tony: вот потому я и из под тора только туда хожу
[16:27:53] singularity: релевантны?
[16:27:56] webninja: когда проблемы возникнут будет уже поздно )
[16:27:57] Tony: правда порнухи часто много выдает
[16:28:22] webninja: релевантны = соответствуют ожиданию.
[16:28:35] xa4a: соответствуют требованиям
[16:28:39] xa4a: то есть тому, что тебе нужно
[16:28:43] xa4a: но ты об этом можешь и не знать)
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[16:30:24] singularity: Та чо норм будет кидать на страницы Stackoverflow про python даже без слова "python" в запросе
[16:30:30] xa4a: в идеале - будешь вбивать "сделать заебись", а оно будет тебе само заказывать продуктов, которые тебе нужны, привозить на автономных машинах, это всё фотографировать и шарить фотки с нужными друзьями :)
[16:30:52] webninja: а потом вообще не нужно будет думать ) чип от гугла в голове все сделает за тебя
[16:31:12] xa4a: можно будет думать о чем-то возвышенном
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[16:31:18] singularity: Продукты , машины и друзья угодные гуглу ? та ну нах
[16:31:26] webninja: в гугле подумают )
[16:31:46] webninja: они вон астероиды собрались осваивать
[16:32:11] singularity: xa4a: как монетизируется Google&
[16:32:15] singularity: ?
[16:32:19] webninja: адсенс
[16:32:25] xa4a: рекламой
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[16:32:48] webninja: конспирологи бы сказали что гугл финансируется госдепом
[16:32:50] singularity: А в запросы разве ниче не мешают ?
[16:33:02] webninja: нет
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[16:33:13] Tony: справа обычно такая хуитка где тебе подмешивается реклама
[16:33:18] singularity: Пруф ? %)
[16:33:31] Tony: singularity, сеонисты тебе в пруф
[16:33:39] webninja: а бывает сверху еще ) а на некоторых запросах вся выдача плотно забита шопами ютубом и всякой херней
[16:33:46] Tony: они за гугл все продвинут и покажут тебе что надо
[16:33:48] alexey-grom: так год попятонишь, а понадобится например "подвесные потолки" и хер догуглишься - по привычке будет на Stackoverflow слать
[16:33:49] singularity: Tony: у меня там "курсы по програмировию" )
[16:33:51] xa4a: но реклама работает от того, что выбирают самых качественных рекламодателей, то есть таких, которыми юзеры довольны
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[16:36:11] singularity: Как думаете SW Iron херня ?
[16:36:49] singularity: я ранеше вместо хрома юзал
[16:37:11] xa4a: !g sw iron
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[16:37:52] Tony: какая-то сборка
[16:38:01] xa4a: singularity: тебе есть, что скрывать от роботов?
[16:38:01] Tony: еще и под виндамс онли
[16:38:20] xa4a: наверна свои руткиты вставили просто
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[16:40:13] singularity: Tony: не мас и линь тоже
[16:42:06] singularity: "xa4a: наверна старые удалили, а свои руткиты вставили просто" так ? )
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[16:44:22] singularity: !g ffff
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[16:46:38] singularity: А почему бота в логах нет?
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[16:48:34] xa4a: он игнорирует от себя сообщения
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[16:51:14] singularity: Так зачем же?
[16:52:06] xa4a: чтобы не отвечать на них..
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[17:02:40] singularity: Это давно ? http://internet.mail.ru/
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[17:02:53] singularity: Вот поетому я не люблю Yandex
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[17:13:05] xa4a: а при чём тут яндекс?
[17:13:45] singularity: Они как мартышки
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[17:20:32] xa4a: в ссылке ни одного слова про яндекс
[17:20:56] xa4a: а.. нагуглил уже Яндекс.Интернет
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[17:58:54] gigimon: singularity: так а в чем проблема?
[17:59:05] gigimon: у них есть все браузеры с ихним поиском из коробки
[17:59:15] gigimon: т.к. хром нельзя, то собрали хромиум
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[18:01:33] singularity: Поставить свой поиск плевое дело (для юзера ), а они меняют название по этому поводу . Только реклама хрому
[18:02:26] singularity: И где их сорцы ? Может руткитов понапихали .. А а хрома есть сорцы в паблике ?
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[18:06:02] andreyjkee: там яндекс бар в комплекте помоему
[18:07:24] mrDoctorWho.: и ещё они делают сборки только под инду
[18:07:26] mrDoctorWho.: винду*
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[18:10:46] xa4a: singularity: есть сорцы хромиума
[18:10:53] xa4a: хром - это брендированный хромиум
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[18:11:05] xa4a: то есть, такой себе Google.Интернет
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[18:31:48] singularity: я знаю
[18:32:01] singularity: А исходники хрома ?
[18:33:17] mrDoctorWho.: закрыты
[18:33:22] xa4a: закрыты
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[18:33:30] mrDoctorWho.: у хромиума открыты
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[18:41:44] singularity: Чем заняться ? Доку читать надоело

[18:41:52] singularity: Хочу что-то написать
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[18:44:35] xa4a: напиши команд-лайн рсс-ридер
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[18:45:08] xa4a: или найди работу :)
[18:45:22] xa4a: или, воскресенье же, выйди на улицу
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[19:09:17] singularity: xa4a: я уже делал похожее) я болен
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[19:15:20] webninja: я музычку пишу когда нечем заняться )
[19:15:31] webninja: как-то скачал спич обамы про наса
[19:15:38] webninja: щаз порезал на кусочки
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[19:37:59] xa4a: я вот второй день про golang читаю
[19:38:12] xa4a: прошёл туториал и уже половину language specification
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[21:37:31] singularity: webninja: дай линк
[21:37:48] webninja: куда?
[21:37:55] singularity: на свое твочество )
[21:38:17] singularity: В каком стиле пишеш?
[21:38:36] singularity: *творчество
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[21:42:10] singularity: :(
[21:42:48] webninja: !g myspace etiket
[21:44:31] singularity: Тю. Я подумал ты подумал ты послал меня читать етикет xD
[21:44:41] singularity: xD
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[22:03:22] singularity: Нубо вопрос :
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[22:04:06] singularity: def Multi(x):
yield x*4
yield x*4
yield x*3
yield x*500
while True:
numb = raw_input("Input your numbers with points : ").split(".")
print map(Multi,numb[::-1])
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[22:05:40] singularity: ответ Input your numbers with points : 55
[<generator object Multi at 0x01F080D0>]
Input your numbers with points : 55.77
[<generator object Multi at 0x01F081C0>, <generator object Multi at 0x01F081E8>]
Input your numbers with points :
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[22:15:59] singularity: Почему так ?
[22:16:24] xa4a: а чего ты хотел?
[22:17:03] singularity: ну что бы умножалось )
[22:17:14] singularity: http://python.su/forum/topic/14836/
[22:18:26] xa4a: что на что?
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[22:20:03] singularity: Ты по ссылке ходил ? Вводим все ети аршины, пяди через точку
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[22:20:10] singularity: По спаданию
[22:21:24] singularity: и множим сконца на x*4,445*4 затем на 4 , 3, 500
[22:21:34] singularity: *умножаем
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[22:22:28] xa4a: а) зачем ты по точке разбиваешь?
[22:22:33] xa4a: б) строки нельзя умножать
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[22:22:54] xa4a: в) Multi() возвращает генератор, но не итерируется по нему
[22:23:20] xa4a: напиши без генератора
[22:23:32] xa4a: напиши без map
[22:23:37] xa4a: чтобы тебе понятнее было, что ты делаешь
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[22:24:14] singularity: а ) а как ? Это просто костыль )
б) резонно
в) не понял
ну надо же осваевать новые функции ))
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[22:25:13] singularity: Без генераторов то я напишу, только ничему не научусь. Мне интересно прочто что не так
[22:25:50] xa4a: ты создаёшь генераторы для каждого куска raw_input().split('.')
[22:25:53] xa4a: но не используешь их
[22:26:01] xa4a: потому у тебя получается список генераторов
[22:26:13] xa4a: перепиши без map() для начала
[22:28:11] singularity: Я думал yield просто запоминает где функия использывалась
[22:28:41] xa4a: да
[22:28:42] xa4a: но нет
[22:28:45] xa4a: не просто
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[22:31:46] xa4a: перепеши без map(), ещё раз говорю
[22:32:05] singularity: Тоже самое
[22:32:13] xa4a: теперь сделай, чтобы работало
[22:32:18] singularity: ))
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[22:37:08] singularity: Лан пойду Лутца мучать у него ето было
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[22:38:29] xa4a: документацию лучше посмотри
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[23:12:53] xa4a: а показывают где-то евро онлайн в hd?
[23:13:00] xa4a: кроме oll
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