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[00:10:08] singularity: Я угадал :( http://2012.tochka.net/27485-euro2012-angliya-ukraina-onlayn/
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[01:14:22] singularity: https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Fixtures
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[01:16:01] singularity: С примера в доке плохо ясно хачем это сделали . В гугле ничего в тему нет , нашел что-то в yii фреймворке ..
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[09:29:52] Kobzar: С утром всех !
[09:30:30] Kobzar: Я вот смотрю - как то не жалуют сайты на петоне. Везде какието трения по поводу безопасности. Мол хостеры грят поддержки питона небудет потому как небезопасно.. обидно.
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[09:32:57] aries.ua: Kobzar в этом месте поподробнее
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[09:33:29] aries.ua: вот что не безепостно так это PHP
[09:33:37] aries.ua: Дырявое ведро
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[09:39:28] Kobzar: ну я кого не спрошу на предмет поддержки питона - все тупо машут головй и типа такие .. Не не не.... ето не безопасно...
[09:39:36] Kobzar: Я думал вы в курсе..
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[11:21:49] webninja: мля чото пытаюсь uwsgi осилить
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[11:21:55] webninja: вот даже локально поставил
[11:22:37] webninja: вот там пишут напишите конфиг .ini
[11:22:47] webninja: а где он держит свои дефаулт конфы?
[11:22:56] webninja: *дефолт
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[11:23:15] _lorien: ты можешь указать ему директорию с конфигом
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[11:23:51] webninja: а как ты его запускаешь? мне тут говорят demonize юзать
[11:24:00] webninja: daemonize
[11:24:31] _lorien: я же тебе давал ссылку на django-server
[11:24:39] webninja: да
[11:24:41] Kobzar: я чото не могу понять ! вот спрашиваю уже у 3 платного хостера есть ли тарифы с поддержкой питона и они отвечают что только VDS
[11:24:43] _lorien: ну
[11:24:48] _lorien: вот и смотри там как я его запускаю
[11:25:06] _lorien: Kobzar, что не можешь понять?
[11:25:06] webninja: я уже смотрел, щаз еще раз посмотрею
[11:25:13] slav0nic: webninja, в /usr/share/uwsgi
[11:25:22] slav0nic: по-моему
инит скрипты глянь
[11:25:23] webninja: kobzar берешь вдс и настраиваешь сам
[11:25:29] webninja: сек
[11:25:48] webninja: не нету там
[11:25:53] slav0nic: ты надеюсь не через пип ставил?)
[11:26:02] webninja: через пип
[11:26:07] Kobzar: VDS - то дорого! я ж не собираюсь зарабытывать бабло !!! мне просто для домашней странички
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[11:26:20] wiz: Kobzar, google pages
[11:26:34] webninja: pip install -U uwsgi как у бро лориена в django-conf )
[11:26:49] slav0nic: ну лор ставит как не бро)
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[11:27:01] slav0nic: удали к хуям и поставь деб
[11:27:04] slav0nic: cat /usr/share/uwsgi/conf/default.ini
[11:27:08] slav0nic: там кошерно всё
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[11:27:19] _lorien: Kobzar, http://fastvps.ru/vds/ вот возьми за 9 баков в месяц
[11:27:32] Kobzar: так погодите поддержка хостером питона и Джанго ето ожно и тоже или ражные вещи ?
[11:27:41] blw0rm: Kobzar, сделай тогда на gae страничку
[11:27:42] slav0nic: или амазон , год бесплатно на поиграться
[11:27:53] blw0rm: весьма просто и бесплатно
[11:28:06] _lorien: ну как просто...
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[11:28:11] slav0nic: хотя для домашней мо и гае хватит, это его сфера :P
[11:28:11] _lorien: надо учить их бд :)
[11:28:58] slav0nic: xa4a, а вы своё гае то сами юзаете?
[11:29:05] _lorien: [02:23:44 PM] slav0nic: ну лор ставит как не бро)
просто давно писал django-server, тогда ещё пакетане было
[11:29:14] _lorien: slav0nic, а в какой репе деба появлися uwsgi?
[11:29:16] _lorien: поди sid?
[11:29:19] slav0nic: угу, сам юзал из пипа
[11:29:22] _lorien: я ж тока stable и backports юзаю
[11:29:23] slav0nic: да уже и в wheezy
[11:29:30] slav0nic: ортодокс)
[11:29:43] slav0nic: ну питон су на wheezy
[11:29:43] webninja: гугл скоро закроет гае в лучших традициях )
[11:29:44] _lorien: lorien@athlon:/web/grab$ aptitude versions uwsgi
p 1.2.3+dfsg-1 testing 400
хы
[11:29:51] _lorien: в бэкпортах нету, так что нахуй :)
[11:29:52] slav0nic: раньше всё на сиде держал В)
[11:30:03] slav0nic: ну можно инит скрипты спиздить
[11:30:18] _lorien: так у меня инит скрипт есть в django-server :)
[11:30:25] slav0nic: надо бдует статейку наваять)
[11:30:59] webninja: чото ад какой-то
[11:31:07] _lorien: я для себя чётко решил: чтобы не было непонятных глюков юзать только стэйбл и бэкпорты, ну ещё пара кастомных репов есть для десктопа
[11:31:25] _lorien: глюкво, я имею в виду не в палне выполнения софта, а в плане установки
[11:31:38] _lorien: ибо понять, почему нихера не ставится через apt бывает порой сложно
[11:31:46] _lorien: если накручено море разных репозиториев
[11:31:50] webninja: я хочу понять чо ваще происходит, а в манах пишут сделай так сделай этак и оппа и все работает. только нифига не работает и нифига не понятно что вообще должно проиходить.
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[11:32:50] slav0nic: _lorien, ну я хотеть postgres 9.2, питон2.7 3.2 и тп плюшки
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[11:34:12] webninja: а во вижу, бро лориен какой-то скрипт пуляет в /etc/init.d/ c такими темами DAEMON_OPTS="--emperor (WEB_DIR)/etc/uwsgi --daemon /var/log/uwsgi.log"
[11:34:29] levsha: Kobzar: а сколько ты за хостинг платишь?
[11:34:53] slav0nic: ну в дебе не уверен что юзается именно император, н оя писал автору, он с рашки вроде, но похоже меинтер uwsgi сменился
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[11:40:52] webninja: хм, так я может uwsgi проще из screen сессии запущу, так же можно?
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[11:41:48] cutwater: Утро всем
[11:41:49] cutwater: Господа, из вас никто кроме xa4a на Euro Python 2012 не едет?
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[11:44:21] _lorien: > [02:37:47 PM] webninja: хм, так я может uwsgi проще из screen сессии запущу, так же можно?
Это называется, я не осилил init.d скрипты, сделаю через жопу.
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[11:44:54] webninja: да я на дев тачке вот хочу поднять nginx + uwsgi хотябы понять чо просиходит
[11:45:02] webninja: а то в сервер долблюсь как слепой котенок
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[11:45:47] gigimon: webninja: прозрей же!
[11:45:53] webninja: с пингом охуевшим вообще ) и работа с ssh превращается в сущий ад.
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[11:50:35] Kobzar: надо с кем то скинуться взять себе вдс и рулить
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[11:51:54] _lorien: не надо скидываться
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[11:52:05] _lorien: потом что-нибудь не поделите :)
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[11:56:08] cutwater: Kobzar: неужели VDS стоит так дорго?
[11:56:15] cutwater: 7 EUR в месяц на hetzner
[11:56:37] webninja: да
[11:56:38] cutwater: 7.90 EUR ок
[11:56:51] cutwater: лол это што дорого?
[11:57:01] webninja: канешно
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[11:57:23] cutwater: Kobzar: может тогда тебе подойдет более мощный и совершенно бесплатный хостинг?
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[11:57:36] _lorien: нифига се бесплатный
[11:57:50] _lorien: этот хостинг электричества вполне себе на 7.9 eur жрёт :)
[11:57:57] cutwater: ну в принципе то да
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[11:58:37] _lorien: хотя конечно он так и так жрёт :)
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[11:59:45] webninja: есть еще сборки для vmvare виртуалок чтобы там типа сервера было
[12:00:22] webninja: граблаб вон крутится без зазрения совести на 20и баксовом вдсе )
[12:01:01] _lorien: на самом деле там 700 метров ram
[12:01:04] webninja: так называемый bro-server
[12:01:06] _lorien: это на самом деле то дохуя
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[12:01:29] webninja: да хз) парсеры вылетают
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[12:01:43] _lorien: я начинал с vps на 100-200 метров :)
[12:01:49] _lorien: и ничо, работали сайтики :)
[12:01:51] _lorien: маленькие
[12:01:53] webninja: это было когда? ) при царе горохе еще
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[12:02:21] webninja: статики достаточно много можно держать если nginx на 128мб даже )
[12:02:22] _lorien: трудно сказать 2006 год наверное
[12:02:33] webninja: я так доры держал
[12:02:35] _lorien: хм, я думаю можно и на 64мб
[12:02:53] _lorien: на 128мб можно уже джангу запихать :)
[12:03:13] _lorien: и параллельно в virtualbox запустить windows
[12:03:20] _lorien: и ещё контрстрайк в xvfb
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[12:10:01] Kobzar: если бы я зарабатывал разработкой сайтов на ПХП то аренда ВДС была ыб в тему. А так как с меня программист как из космонавта пограничник - то выкидывать 100 баксов в год на ето не вижу смысла.
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[12:12:54] cutwater: Kobzar: localhost ?
[12:12:58] cutwater: seriously
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[12:14:49] gigimon: /me хостит иногда непонятные вещи на домашнем серваке
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[12:14:53] gigimon: с постоянным ипом и 20 мбит в обе стороны
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[12:19:55] Kobzar: да. Я давно уже подозревал что у меня есть острая необходимость в размещении своей персональной странички внутри локальной сети. Хоят направление мысли венрное. Надо посмотреть что у DD-WRT есть в наличии из веб сервиса. Может на домашнем роутере организовать себе систему.
[12:21:01] webninja: обычно двигаются от простого к сложному
[12:21:33] Kobzar: ето не наш метод !
[12:22:01] Kobzar: у нас словян в крови движение от простого к очень простому и от него к нихеранеделанию.
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[12:23:55] slav0nic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1KmTQ-1Os Google I/O 101: Introduction to Dart with Seth Ladd
[12:24:36] slav0nic: Kobzar, любишь шару - заюзай ГАЕ, в лимиты влезешь думаю
[12:26:06] Kobzar: Я уже смотрел ЕГО - но мне там все не понравилось! Хотя я могу быть и не прав !
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[12:30:21] slav0nic: тебе не угодишь
[12:30:26] slav0nic: и бесплатно и чтоб понравилось)
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[12:45:18] blw0rm: А что там может не нравиться для домашней страницы?) даже готовые примеры есть, только бери и пользуй, при том хоть django, хоть webapp2
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[13:04:57] xa4a: slav0nic: да, гае юзается, как минмум для всяких мелких внутренних приложений
[13:05:20] xa4a: но скоро он не нужен будет ;)
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[13:05:35] webninja: закроют?
[13:05:43] slav0nic: xa4a, он уже никому не нужен)) все и так свалили
[13:05:48] slav0nic: давай инсайд!
[13:06:13] slav0nic: ваще облачко прикольное, но датасторедж и цены всё портят
[13:06:14] webninja: да
[13:06:26] webninja: раньше говорят были норм. цены
[13:06:40] xa4a: инсайда не скажу
[13:06:45] webninja: гугл еще врал, что мол они это чисто для людей мутят на профит не расчитывают.
[13:06:52] xa4a: но ходят слухи, что скоро будет свой амазон ес2
[13:06:57] xa4a: с амазон rds
[13:07:05] webninja: что за rds?
[13:07:09] xa4a: mysql
[13:07:18] xa4a: только быстрее
[13:07:20] xa4a: чем в амазоне
[13:07:24] xa4a: и дешевле
[13:07:33] slav0nic: ну есть же вроде уже?
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[13:07:54] slav0nic: жаль не постгрес)
[13:07:55] xa4a: есть не совсем то
[13:08:04] xa4a: то, что есть - оно медленновато
[13:08:35] xa4a: т.к. там мускл, который хранит файлы в облаке
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[13:09:04] xa4a: у меня как раз команда сейчас работает над тем, чтобы сделать круто и быстро работало)
[13:11:08] xa4a: ну это всё, разумеется, слухи, и я бы себе не верил лучше
[13:11:42] webninja: ну вот ) а говорил инсайда не скажешь )
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[13:11:58] xa4a: а, всё ещё нужны люди, которые открывали исходники mysql и пережили это
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[13:14:36] slav0nic: xa4a, ты ж там больше как админ? не кодишь?
[13:16:23] webninja: одмин )
[13:16:48] webninja: гугл пасспорта не отбирает еще?
[13:16:57] mishok13: SRE код пишут еще как
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[13:17:49] webninja: офисная культура гугла 2015 - зашел в гуглплекс пасспорт забрали за территорию не выпускают. кормят, развлекают.
[13:18:35] mishok13: да-да, в гугле страшно шо пипец
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[13:19:07] mishok13: еще на пятке ставят клеймо, чтобы легче было пересчитать
[13:19:40] xa4a: slav0nic: нет, в основном кожу
[13:20:00] xa4a: даже на пятоне
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[13:20:39] xa4a: агитка: http://googleforstudents.blogspot.ie/2012/06/site-reliability-engineers-worlds-most.html
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[13:23:41] xa4a: SRE просто пишут не end-user продукты, а инфратруктуру
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[13:25:35] webninja: гугл бы лучше openstack развивал
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[13:27:32] xa4a: ну это, как бы, не совсем благотворительная организация
[13:27:41] xa4a: и миссия: Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful.
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[13:29:27] xa4a: ну опенсорс никогда полностью не будет же выполнять всех функция, его допиливать всё-равно прийдётся
[13:29:43] xa4a: а так - начали пилить опенсорс в 2000-х, а сейчас - уже вся своя платформа
[13:30:03] xa4a: из опенсорсного, вроде, только mysql остался)
[13:30:17] xa4a: не считая того, что сами открыли
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[13:39:02] Kobzar: а можно обратиться к вам с дебильным по сути вопросм ?
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[13:39:35] cutwater: нет.... но кто ж тебя забанит то. валяй
[13:40:03] Kobzar: да хотел попросить вас посоветовать готовый движок под форум или личный блог на питоне. так сказать что бы поставить и начать вникать
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[13:40:13] cutwater: byteflow
[13:40:21] cutwater: но эм... у тебя возникнут проблемы
[13:40:28] cutwater: лучше почитай примеры того же фласка
[13:40:29] _lorien: blogspot
[13:40:33] cutwater: там есть что-то типа бложека, вики
[13:40:34] _lorien: проблем будет поменьше :)
[13:40:53] _lorien: или тебе надо разобраться в питон-устройстве?
[13:40:56] _lorien: тогда пиши с нуля блог
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[13:42:13] Kobzar: ггг да если бы я был в состоянии сделать такое чудо...
[13:42:29] Kobzar: а на счет етого есть мысли http://zine.pocoo.org/about/ ?
[13:43:13] _lorien: Да, это Open Source personal publishing platform written in Python. It's written with security and extensibility in mind and inherits many ideas of WordPress and other existing blogging systems.

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[13:54:11] slav0nic: released on January the 11th, 2009. не смущает не?)
[13:54:48] xa4a: Kobzar: пройди дажнго туториал
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[13:55:12] xa4a: он про голосования был раньше, но даже если это до сих пор так, то блог потом сможешь написать
[13:55:17] xa4a: только сначала туториал по питону, да
[13:57:41] Kobzar: извините за гупость! но движок на питоне и на джанго ето ожно и тоже или нет ?:
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[13:58:51] _lorien: движок на джанго => движок на питоне
движок на питоне => иногда движок на джанго
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[13:59:56] Kobzar: то есть если меня интересует создание своей персональной веб странички с галереей и гастевухой без форума пока что и прочих булок на питоне то мн еонозначно надо смотреть в сторону Джанго ?
[13:59:57] singularity: Всем привет!
[14:01:02] _lorien: [04:56:51 PM] Kobzar: то есть если меня интересует создание своей персональной веб странички с галереей и гастевухой без форума пока что и прочих булок на питоне то мн еонозначно надо смотреть в сторону Джанго ?
вопрос не понятен
[14:01:18] _lorien: если тебе что-то надо, возьми и сделай это
[14:01:41] _lorien: Kobzar, ты основ не понимаешь, тебе не надо кодить
[14:02:02] _lorien: тебе надо понять, что такое питон, что такое джанго, как питон (и вообще любой язык) прикручивается к веб, что такое вбе-сервер
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[14:02:05] _lorien: и т.д. и т.п.
[14:02:14] Kobzar: лана почитаю джангобук пока
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[14:03:26] singularity: SREs typically start out as rock star software engineers interested in becoming rock star systems engineers, or vice versa.
Как это перевести ?
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[14:03:57] _lorien: SREs убивает людей, насилует женщин, в общем творит самые подлые дела, на которые способен человек.
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[14:04:38] xa4a: продёт кокс и растлевает детей
[14:04:42] xa4a: продаёт
[14:04:46] singularity: Гугль-транслейт на этом предлоожении взорвал мне моск
СДСВ зазвичай починається як рок зірка інженерів програмного забезпечення хоче стати рок-зіркою, системних інженерів, або навпаки.
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[14:06:07] _lorien: SREs обычно начинают как крутые программеры-гуру, которые хотят стать крытыми администраторами, или наоборот
[14:06:18] _lorien: я англ не очень знаю, и без контекста ваще не понятно нихера 0
[14:06:19] _lorien: )
[14:06:45] singularity: http://googleforstudents.blogspot.ie/2012/06/site-reliability-engineers-worlds-most.html
[14:06:52] singularity: Это то что хача дал
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[14:07:54] singularity: "start out as " меня смущает
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[14:08:09] xa4a: начинают как
[14:08:17] singularity: ок
[14:09:55] singularity: А что такое "operations" в "Many people think that SRE is just a candy-coated term for "operations. "?
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[14:15:07] singularity: Людем не нрвиться управлять? Или это админство?
[14:15:30] xa4a: operations - администрирование, грубо говоря
[14:16:56] Kobzar: на сколько я понял , сайт написанный на питоне - ето может быть сайт и на чистом питоне и на джанге, так как джанга ето просто фреймфорк для петона. Следовательно вопрос к специалистам - стоит ли рассматривать джнгу и тратить время на ее изучение или же пойти путем долбления чистого питона ?
[14:17:52] singularity: Стоит
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[14:18:16] Kobzar: Вот и все что я хотел узнать - просто не знал как!
[14:18:20] Kobzar: Спасибо !
[14:18:44] Kobzar: ушел усать гранит науки Джанго!! (бля, звучит прямо как запрос в академию джеаев...)
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[14:20:37] _lorien: > или же пойти путем долбления чистого питона ?
на чистом питоне никто сайты не делает
[14:21:05] singularity: А на чистом php&
[14:21:06] singularity: ?
[14:21:19] _lorien: это ты у пехепешников спроси
[14:21:24] cutwater: Kobzar: К логопеду
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[14:21:45] cutwater: Ты сначала выучи питон, потом джангу. Тчк.
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[14:25:47] gigimon: что-то джанга превращается в пристанище пхпшников и становится как рельсы у руби
[14:25:50] gigimon: есть рельсы, но нету руби
[14:25:55] singularity: "cutwater: Kobzar: К логопеду"
Тебе джанго не нравиться ?
[14:26:02] singularity: А как надо?
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[14:26:36] xa4a: петон не нравится
[14:27:26] gigimon: singularity: мне не нравится подход как у Kobzar
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[14:36:34] singularity: "Python (англ. python — питон, произносится [ˈpaɪθ⟨ə⟩n] — па́йтон, также широко используется русскоязычное произношение пито́н) " Мне кажется что надо "паи(зс)ен" ?
[14:36:51] singularity: * мне одному кажеться
[14:37:14] slav0nic: на питон орг есть mp3)
[14:37:17] slav0nic: с произношением
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[14:41:19] mishok13: английского, скорее
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[14:41:33] _lorien: да не, он там тся/ться путает )
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[14:44:18] singularity: (13:37:11) slav0nic: на питон орг есть mp3)
[14:44:22] singularity: Где ?
[14:44:35] slav0nic: искать надо, ща
[14:44:58] singularity: Я потыркал нету, гуглил так site:python.org how to say python
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[14:47:15] singularity: http://www.python.org/doc/humor/
[14:47:27] singularity: Вот че "нашел"
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[15:03:47] singularity: " _lorien: singularity, к учителю русского языка" http://lurkmore.to/Grammar_nazi
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[15:06:57] singularity: http://habrahabr.ru/post/133979/
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[16:55:28] webninja: мне нравится когда в предложении где грамар наци пытается показать твою ничтожность и некомпетентность на основании знания правописания находятся ошибки )
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[16:56:22] webninja: недавно тип решил поучить меня ) вот только по-русски без дефиса написал
[16:56:30] xa4a: разве знание правописания показывает ничтожность и некомпетентность?
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[16:57:43] webninja: ну это типа "вооот сначала бы русский язык выучил а потом бы рассказывал что RoR лучше Djagno, python круче ruby и т.д."
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[17:00:44] xa4a: мне вот гугл доксы начали недавно слова подсказывать английские
[17:01:04] xa4a: типа написал expression, а оно - did you mean impression?
[17:01:09] xa4a: и там таки impression
[17:01:36] gigimon: webninja: все зависит от того, насколько неграмотно пишут, иногда бывает такой пиздец, что мозг вырывает от безграмотности и не хочется это читать
[17:02:15] xa4a: часто когда кто-то доказывает, что джанга лучше, чем рор, или наоборот - и так читать не хочется
[17:02:22] gigimon: ))
[17:02:26] webninja: хм мне убунта везде так подсказывает для английского
[17:02:38] cutwater: xa4a: в штате гугла сидит отдел телепатов
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[17:02:54] webninja: почему гугл пятон форсит то?
[17:02:55] webninja: а не руби
[17:03:00] webninja: или грэйил с груви
[17:03:01] cutwater: гугл питон форсит о_О?
[17:03:16] xa4a: потмоу что в гугле не используют рельсы?
[17:03:16] webninja: ну гвидо вроде как штатный сотрудник
[17:03:38] webninja: xa4a с ним обедает наверное каждый день ) в гуглплексе
[17:03:52] cutwater: xa4a: споры на тему RoR / Django не имеют смысла. Есть только одна аксиома - пхп говно. =)
[17:04:09] cutwater: webninja: ну то что гвидо штатный сотрудник не означает что гугл форсит питон
[17:04:21] cutwater: по-моему автор вима тоже в гугле работает, но это не значит что гугл форсит вим =)
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[17:05:56] webninja: гугл чото там даже разрабатывал какой-то unshallow laden или как там
[17:06:38] xa4a: unladen swallow
[17:06:56] xa4a: но его закрыли, вроде :)
[17:07:05] xa4a: с частичным мержем результатов в питон3
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[17:08:42] singularity: Где то видел статю что гугль не рекомендует юзать python
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[17:09:00] xa4a: это вряд ли
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[17:10:05] gigimon: xa4a: в гугле проекты на питоне есть торчащие наружу?
[17:10:16] singularity: позже найду
[17:10:30] xa4a: gigimon: наружу торчит GWS
[17:10:39] webninja: это чо?
[17:10:42] xa4a: веб-сервер
[17:10:51] xa4a: который внутри уже может разным бекендам отдавать запросы
[17:11:12] gigimon: xa4a: эм, а из сервисов
[17:11:27] xa4a: ну есть тулзы внутренние на питоне, к которым есть доступ из интернета
[17:11:36] xa4a: а так, чтобы общественные...
[17:11:39] xa4a: не знаю таких
[17:11:55] xa4a: на жабе есть точно
[17:12:14] xa4a: ну там, где ынтырпрайз, бабо считают - там жаба)
[17:12:19] xa4a: бабло*
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[18:46:21] slav0nic: xa4a, g groups не на питоне разве?
[18:46:37] xa4a: хз
[18:46:46] slav0nic: ну справка на питоне точно)
и какого перца у вас любовь к cgi ?)
[18:46:58] slav0nic: или это только в гае)
[18:47:02] slav0nic: для убогих
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[18:59:57] xa4a: я не уверен, что там cgi
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[19:10:24] singularity: " жаба)"
Засудят ведь. Я думал что Гугль python пилит только чтобы с java не связываться
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[19:11:43] singularity: Нет ,я о возне о патентах
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[19:12:04] xa4a: разработка на жабе никакой связи с патентами не имеет
[19:12:20] xa4a: патенты - про виртуальную машину
[19:12:42] xa4a: и там не патенты, а авторские права
[19:13:01] xa4a: даже не авторские, а собственности
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[19:29:47] singularity: На питоне прототипы
[19:30:09] singularity: А на java робочий продукт?
[19:31:01] singularity: Хотя выше ты почти так и сказал
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[19:33:11] xa4a: нет, я такого не говорил
[19:33:25] xa4a: на жабе - продукты, на питоне - инструменты
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[19:35:10] singularity: Гугль по запросу haskell снизу в связаных запросах выводит python ))
[19:35:23] singularity: haskell platform

haskell ide

python

haskell let

haskell учебник

haskell examples

haskell newtype

haskell llvm
[19:35:42] singularity: Сорри за переносы
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[20:13:45] singularity: alexey-grom: а каким боком к алхими elixir?
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[20:17:50] alexey-grom: ну самое прямое отношение
[20:18:00] alexey-grom: я тяжело осиливаю такое user = relationship("User", backref=backref('addresses', order_by=id))
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[20:18:20] alexey-grom: мне проще так user = ManyToMany('Address')
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[20:35:21] webninja: я наоборот рад такой низкоуровневости после жанго орм ) позволяет понять как это все реально работает
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[20:35:42] webninja: !g sqlalchemy and me armin
[20:35:48] _lorien: как всё работает o_O
[20:35:50] _lorien: алхимия? :)
[20:36:01] _lorien: если там документации тока на 500 страниц
[20:36:11] webninja: ну то что когда ManyToMany самому надо табличку делать и т.д.
[20:36:25] webninja: а ну и эти backrefs.
[20:37:02] webninja: у армина статья норм. помагает в начале не потеряться.
[20:37:38] alexey-grom: это хорошо, что оно низкоуровнево, просто лично мне всегда хватает того что умеет эликсир. и читабельнее же
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[20:38:34] _lorien: так вроде ж в алхимии тоже orm появилась
[20:38:36] webninja: я как-то смотрел эликсир уже потом, но он вроде уже давно-давно не обновляется. и я подумал ну нафиг своих глюков хватает, еще чужие ловить.
[20:39:09] _lorien: ой, не orm, а dsl :)
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[20:40:43] webninja: взять vim или emacs
[20:41:32] alexey-grom: _lorien: что за dsl?
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[20:45:46] _lorien: хз, почему-то это так называется
[20:45:54] _lorien: модели а ля django orm :)
[20:46:06] _lorien: в алхимии их также можно описывать как в элексире
[20:46:20] _lorien: раньше нельзя было, придумали эликсир, а потом это в алхимии появилось
[20:46:23] alexey-grom: это вроде active record называется
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[20:47:39] alexey-grom: жаль что в алхимии со связями нет такого, что типа если вам попроще - что-то как в эликсире, ну а если академики - долбитесь в backref :)
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