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[14:38:20] singularity: Как с двух кортежов отобрать елементы которых нет в другом ? Это кажется называется "геометрическая разность" на языке множеств
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[14:46:10] singularity: геометрическая разность ^_^
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[17:31:07] singularity: Где найти визуализатор python ?
[17:31:25] levsha: траву что ли?
[17:31:34] andreyjkee: ЩИТО ПРОСТИТЕ???
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[17:34:53] singularity: Где то здесь была ссылка. Не могу найти ..
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[17:35:20] levsha: ты это, объясни своими словами чего ты там хочешь визуализировать
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[17:39:10] _lorien: http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=python&rpt=image визуализатор питона
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[17:39:24] singularity: http://people.csail.mit.edu/pgbovine/python/tutor.html#mode=edit
[17:39:28] singularity: Я это искал
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[17:41:20] _lorien: ['*'] * (10**1000000000) хыхы, такой код его вешает :)
[17:41:33] _lorien: в смысле не выдаёт ошибки, просто ничего не происходит
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[17:42:06] levsha: ну вот, взял и сразу сломал ...
[17:42:27] mrDoctorWho.: ввешает возведение большого числа в большую степень)
[17:43:06] andreyjkee: MemoryError:
[17:43:29] andreyjkee: визуализатор не правильный нифига
[17:43:33] _lorien: Unknown error: Please email a bug report to philip@pgbovine.net
[17:43:36] andreyjkee: стек не правильно отображается
[17:43:38] _lorien: а это выдал на print __builtins__
[17:44:17] andreyjkee: import os ImportError: __import__ not found
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[17:45:43] _lorien: Выдал javascript alert со строкой "Uh oh, the server returned an error, boo :( Please reload the page and try executing a different Python script." на raise SystemExit(1) :)
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[18:43:50] singularity: Печаль :-(
for i in xrange(10000000000L):
print i
[18:45:01] levsha: садисты
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[18:54:48] webninja: чо сломали?
[18:55:07] singularity: Что?
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[18:56:12] singularity: Я познаю мир:
>>> from random import random
>>> def f2(d=random())
... return d
>>> f2()
0.62437741519371093
>>> f2()
0.62437741519371093
>>>
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[18:56:58] singularity: Это в доке прочел
[19:01:02] andreyjkee: и че необычного?
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[19:01:46] singularity: Important warning: The default value is evaluated only once. This makes a difference when the default is a mutable object such as a list, dictionary, or instances of most classes.
Для меня немного необычно
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[19:02:44] andreyjkee: это питон детка :)
[19:02:45] singularity: Я думал что каждый раз будет вызываться функция random
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[19:14:32] _lorien: http://blog.futurecolors.ru/2012/06/blog-post_30.html клёво, граб тут запиарили :) у rss 354 подписчика
[19:14:32] xa4a: питон работает та
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[19:15:14] xa4a: http://pleasingfungus.com/Manufactoria/
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[19:22:48] singularity: А если я запущу сайт на сервере через maname.py runserver 80 что будет ?
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[19:23:30] Tony: во первых оно тебе даст открыть 80 порт только под рутом
[19:23:37] Tony: во вторых будет однопоточный вебсервер ссзб
[19:24:26] singularity: в доке там написано что не безопасно. Почему?
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[19:27:17] singularity: http://www.djangosites.org/stats/
[19:27:35] singularity: dev это ведь то что я думаю ?
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[19:29:45] webninja: f2(d=lambda d: random())
[19:29:48] webninja: так вроде будет работать
[19:30:51] webninja: я пытаюсь морду краблаба тихим сапом перевести, какая-то хрень получается ))
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[19:31:29] webninja: Python Вышла первая beta-версия Python 3.3 <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2012-June/120790.html>, на которую возложены большие надежды веб-разработчиков и которую, по идее, будет поддерживать Django 1.5. Наконец-то сделали explicit Unicode literals, что позволит быстрее портировать библиотеки для работы с WSGI. Werkzeug <http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/>, например. Переписанная система импортов модулей, теперь на базе importlib; virtualenv и mock «из коробки». Всё очень вкусно, с нетерпением ждём релиза.
[19:31:30] webninja: хм
[19:31:32] andreyjkee: webninja: будет возвращать ссылку на функцию
[19:31:34] singularity: что за "краблаба" "тихим сапом" ?
[19:31:48] webninja: когда интересно начнут мигрировать все питонисты
[19:32:02] Tony: я не люблю 3.х
[19:32:04] webninja: на Пузик (Py3k)
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[19:32:47] singularity: Tony: если кроме отсутствия модулей то почему?
[19:33:00] webninja: _lorien есть еще линкблог bobuk или как-то так там тоже наверное можно )
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[19:33:19] Tony: singularity, print новый мне не нравится
[19:33:24] Tony: singularity, ну и 3 это несчастливое число
[19:33:49] webninja: да ваще нафиг нужен этот принт )
[19:33:55] Tony: форматирование строк не нравится
[19:34:04] webninja: а как там? через .format?
[19:34:10] Tony: да как-то так
[19:34:13] webninja: бляяя
[19:34:18] Tony: чего-то про '{0}
[19:34:24] Tony: чего-то про '{0}'.format('hui')
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[19:34:27] Tony: пиздец же запись
[19:34:41] webninja: я пробовал юзать, да это калл по сравнению с обычным методом
[19:34:45] Tony: еще абстрактные классы мне не нраяца
[19:35:51] webninja: затрудняюсь вспомнить что это такое )
[19:36:00] webninja: !g abstract classes python
[19:36:09] webninja: ааа точно
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[19:37:09] singularity: '{0}'.format('hui') как найти что бы об этом прочитать ?
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[19:37:34] Tony: singularity, в гугле?
[19:37:36] webninja: !g pyhon python3k отличия
[19:37:56] singularity: Спасибо
[19:38:30] Tony: webninja, а это, там же теперь можно еще переменные и классы называть в юникоде
[19:38:39] webninja: оо
[19:38:43] webninja: класс ждем 1сников
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[19:38:45] Tony: я в ужасе представляю как всякие французы-немцы и прочие будут писать названия своих классов
[19:39:17] singularity: pep8 пока в силе ?
[19:39:26] Tony: это как бы рекомендации
[19:39:27] webninja: да, не не будет такого в норм. проектах 100%
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[19:39:54] Tony: webninja, да ладно, у меня проект есть там в postgres таблицы названы по французски
[19:40:02] Tony: с ихними акцентами, вот это жопная боль пиздец
[19:40:10] Tony: могли бы и классы так называть назвали бы
[19:40:53] singularity: Учи латынь что бы им отомстить
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[19:41:09] Tony: да я то и по-рюзке как в 1С могу писать
[19:41:15] Tony: просто свинство ебаное допускать такое даже в теории
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[19:41:35] webninja: ну ништяк я тоже иногда называю ) ну например паршу сайт там 20 полей в таблице и офигеешь придумывать названия )
[19:41:36] singularity: В базе данных? я про сейчас
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[19:42:17] Tony: singularity, хуй с ним в базе, а в коде представляешь это же пиздец
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[19:42:55] _lorien: webninja, Tony имел в виду не транслитерацию, скорее всего, а символы национального алфавита
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[19:47:39] Tony: http://dpaste.com/765742/ вот этот код скажем в 3.x отрабатывает
[19:47:57] Tony: и меня это нихуя не радует
[19:48:44] webninja: круто как в 1с будет
[19:48:55] singularity: А прикинь англоязычным всю жизнь на это смотреть?
[19:49:05] Tony: да не только англоязычным
[19:49:10] Tony: вот тебе какой-нибудь испанец пришлет код
[19:49:19] Tony: и у тебя точно кишка выпадет через день, я гарантирую
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[19:50:02] singularity: у меня подсветка есть.
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[19:50:29] Tony: при чем тут она?
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[19:53:05] webninja: да не будет никто это юзать в норм проектах ) испанцу скажут что он вася, пусть пеп8080 почитает )
[19:53:57] Tony: webninja, у меня на пхп были такие прокты давно правда еще
[19:54:05] Tony: я даже софтину писал чтобы все акценты убрать
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[20:02:27] singularity: Обфускация кода на новом уровне
[20:03:32] webninja: помните кто-то искал датапикер? какие есть норм?
[20:03:45] Tony: тот что в jquery-ui?
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[20:15:25] webninja: на питон3 будет зато много улучшений неплохих
[20:15:29] webninja: вроде как скорость выше
[20:16:14] Tony: наверное как python 3 будет завоевывать все больше территорий, я буду все больше думать чтобы перейти на хаскель какой-нибудь
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[20:19:01] webninja: ну или на жаву
[20:19:03] webninja: с груви
[20:19:10] Tony: не жава отстой
[20:19:39] webninja: почему?
[20:19:48] Tony: мне не нравится эта жавамашина
[20:19:50] Tony: настраивать ее надо
[20:19:53] Tony: то другое уныние
[20:20:04] Tony: плюс консервативна сильно
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[20:21:08] Tony: плюс так или иначе статическая типизация в структурном языке по мне прошлый век
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[20:37:26] xa4a: щито? ОО
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[20:37:39] xa4a: а в хаскеле - не статическая что ли?
[20:39:38] xa4a: а жаба-машину настраивать - давно уже генетические алгоритмы применяют для подбора параметров сборщика мусора. а в восьмой жабе - вон ещё и лямбда-функции сделали
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[20:46:17] levsha: хаскель, эрланг, кложур, скала в конце концов. Много есть вариантов куда уйти чтобы не было толпы
[20:46:42] webninja: чтобы илитненько писать
[20:46:46] webninja: программы
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[20:55:41] levsha: а груви говно. Сходу помесь жабы и перла, причем с обоих взял в основном недостатки
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[21:01:17] singularity: "генетические алгоритмы применяют для подбора параметров сборщика мусора"
на этом месте я засмеялся в голос :-D
[21:01:54] singularity: Типа сами не знаем/заебались сделаем что бы оно само :-D
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[21:10:03] levsha: это просто чтобы потом на "а какого хрена оно опять сожрало всю память и сидит в GC?" отмазаться "генетический алгоритм посчитал это оптимальным для вашей задачи"
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[21:12:44] singularity: Я вообще не понимаю почему ява столь популярна
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[21:16:41] levsha: ну на самом деле определенные плюсы у неё есть. В частности она достаточно хорошо подходит для коллективной разработки программистами среднего уровня
[21:17:04] singularity is now online
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[21:17:20] levsha: например на каком-нибудь C коллективная разработка возможна только при сознательном поддержании высокой культуры кода программистами, что доступно далеко не всем
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[21:18:43] singularity: Я джаву не знаю, но мне кажется что питон во многом лучше .
[21:19:02] singularity: А python не подходит для коллективной разработки программистами среднего уровня?
[21:19:09] levsha: нет. Как любой динамический интерпретируемый язык
[21:19:42] singularity: а почему?
[21:19:49] levsha: много ошибок типа банальных очепяток выловится слишком поздно
[21:20:41] levsha: ну и одного языка мало. Нужны еще библиотеки и т.п. Под жабу их уже просто немеряно. Под питон, конечно, тоже достаточно много, но все-равно меньше
[21:20:57] singularity: Haskell спасет мир ! :)
[21:21:28] levsha: спас бы, если бы пошел в люди. Хотя бы благодаря более высокому порогу вхождения :)
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[21:23:00] singularity: Ну у нас вроде даже есть движуха на эту тему, модно кагбе
[21:23:28] singularity: А за бугром не думают что-то менять?
[21:26:58] levsha: /me пошел изучать статистику по языкам-победителям на icfpc
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[21:29:36] levsha: 3 или больше раз побеждали Hackel, C++, Ocaml
[21:30:14] levsha: python ни разу не занял место в первой тройке как единственный язык
[21:30:36] levsha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICFP_Programming_Contest
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[21:32:06] webninja: да
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[21:32:25] levsha: но, конечно, это не показатель. В ICFPC задачи и условия поставлены так, что нужно побыстрее накидать решение, логику. Эффективность никого не волнует. Фактически условия, специально созданные для демонстрации преимуществ функциональных языков
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[21:34:41] levsha: хотя, кажется в позапрошлом году можно было назаработать дополнительных очков подобрав топливо для чужой машины, что в принципе давало преимущество если программа работает быстро
[21:34:51] levsha: или если есть доступ к какому-нибудь кластеру :)
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[21:55:56] singularity: почему там есть C++ ? да он быстрый, но накидать алгоритм когда любая ошибка крах это жесть
[21:56:30] singularity: Им и комп не неда на листочке написал и сдал :-D
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[21:59:13] levsha: про "любая ошибка это крах" это ты в каких ужастиках насмотрелся?
[21:59:48] levsha: современный c++ с его всякими boost и т.п. это очень высокоуровневый язык. С указателями на массив буквенных символов там никто не работает
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[22:00:46] levsha: ну и очень часто это хорошо, когда программа сразу падает с null pointer exception, а не пытается что-то при этом сообразить. Что она при этом насоображает вообще не понятно. Особенно если это не null pointer, а мусор в указателе
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[22:03:47] singularity: Кстати я читаю это <http://cloud.github.com/downloads/anton-k/ru-haskell-book/ru-haskell-book.pdf> . Мне нравится)
[22:07:29] levsha: Спасибо, стянул "шоб було"
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[23:19:35] xa4a: levsha: в позапрошлом году овер 9000 команд так и не осилили чего от них хотели, хоть и написали простейший вид машины. к простейшему виду подходило тривиальное топливо 1 0 0 ..
[23:20:10] xa4a: а ещё какая-та команда, которая сообразила более сложные машины хранила свои исходники с машинами и топливами к ним на битбакете
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[23:24:13] levsha: ну дак хорошая задачка была, если сходу столько отсеяла :)
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[23:27:30] levsha: у Спольски, кажется было насчёт того, как писать хорошие требования в вакансии: в идеале придет только один человек
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