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[00:20:42] slav0nic: он там давно сидит
[00:20:50] slav0nic: там и мишок
[00:20:54] slav0nic: ) и я наверно
[00:22:56] gigimon: ну вы то и тут :D
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[02:47:52] xa4a: писал, вощем-та
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IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
[11:06:34] some_user: вроде бы все ясно, нет места на устройстве, но оно то какраз есть и на оп и на диске
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[18:39:02] xa4a: видимо, ночью сервер перегружался и всех выкинуло
[18:39:14] xa4a: или вон потопы в РФ ещё
[18:39:19] singularity: о_о
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[23:07:55] Александр: может кто подскажет пример, где оправданно использование функции intern в Python?
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[23:16:13] xa4a: для длинных строк может?
[23:16:39] xa4a: если у тебя две длинные стркоки, то они могут храниться в разных объектах даже, если имеют одно и то же значения. тогда их сравнивать долго
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[23:17:12] xa4a: а с помощью intern(), похоже, из них можно сделать синглтоны и сравнивать быстро
[23:17:38] Александр: хм
[23:17:51] Александр: вот смотрю код jinja2
[23:18:08] Александр: там автор использует Intern даже для строки "add"
[23:18:26] Александр: что длинной строкой не назовешь
[23:18:49] xa4a: However, python will automatically intern strings that are small, or look like identifiers, so you may find you get no improvement because your strings are already being interned behind the scenes. For example:
>>> a = 'abc'; b = 'abc'
>>> a is b
True

[23:18:56] Александр: я так понимаю на памяти это тоже отражается
[23:18:56] xa4a: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1136826/what-does-python-intern-do-and-when-should-it-be-used
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[23:19:07] xa4a: меньше объектов - больше памяти
[23:19:17] xa4a: на строках 'abc'есть смысл использовать для однообразия
[23:22:04] Александр: всмысле наоборот, меньше объектов создано, меньше памяти затрачено?
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[23:26:19] xa4a: ну да. больше - свободно
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[23:28:32] Александр: т.е. если имеют две очень длинные строки, которые автоматически не интернировались, то сравнение a is b даст в результате False?
[23:29:43] Typhon: разумеется, потому что это разные объекты
[23:29:54] Typhon: как в C
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[23:30:26] Typhon: ^ как в C "char *" сравнивать равенством "==" или strcmp
[23:30:47] Александр: как синтезировать такую ситуацию в питоне? :-)
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[23:33:29] Typhon: >>> x = 'eofiehwgieurhiwhgpoqefiipqeughqeurgbpqerbvpqerubvhpiqeruhbqper' * 32
>>> y = 'eofiehwgieurhiwhgpoqefiipqeughqeurgbpqerbvpqerubvhpiqeruhbqper' * 32
>>> x == y
True
>>> x is y
False
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[23:43:03] Александр: забавно
[23:43:27] Александр: похоже в питоне все невычисляемые строки интернятся
[23:44:06] Александр: создал аналогично две переменные, но без повторений длиной более 2000 символов
[23:44:16] Александр: оба сравнения дают True
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[23:56:53] xa4a: >>> a, b = 'qqq', 'qqq'
>>> c = 'qqq'
>>> a is b
True
>>> a is c
False
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