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[14:35:24] Vadim Chernysh: Всем привет. Кто-то делал поиск по гео-объектам в своих приложениях? Меня интересует где можно взять максимально полную базу по городам, достопримечательностям, вокзалам и т.п. Интересует под Украину
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[14:56:18] xa4a: ещё и бесплатно?
[14:56:42] xa4a: и легально?
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[15:19:37] webninja: можно еще заказать на граблаб например
[15:19:45] webninja: да )
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на какую з/п в мск стоит рассчитывать с таким профилем https://www.odesk.com/o/profiles/users/_~~dcf849384e60c8da/
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[15:38:16] Vadim Chernysh: xa4a: Я не говорил, что бесплатно :) Можно и платно. Нужна база максимально приближенная к реалиям, можно платная
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[15:52:41] webninja: поищи вакансии пройди собеседование как нибудь так.
[15:53:05] webninja: ваще в москве меньше чем с 70к зп жить нереально, если понаехать.
[15:53:39] nie: по вакансиям непонятно
[15:53:43] webninja: и город поганенький
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[15:54:06] nie: а после собеседований я и сам могу
[15:54:14] nie: штука в том, чтобы понять без собеседований
[15:54:22] webninja: да вон куча вакансий посмотри чо как
[15:54:33] nie: с 70к это если снимать в центре?
[15:54:39] nie: я в электричке покатаюсь
[15:54:40] webninja: python junior
[15:54:53] webninja: не снимать где-нибудь тыщ за 35 однокомнатную
[15:55:00] nie: город местами поганенький, это да
[15:55:00] webninja: если не больше щаз
[15:55:06] webninja: + дорога
[15:55:08] webninja: + обед
[15:55:12] nie: за 35 это в юз например
[15:55:29] nie: зачем мне, холопу, однушка в з
[15:55:31] nie: *юз
[15:55:47] webninja: а в москве все дороговато, вообщем 70к - 35 = 35 и они улетят только в путь за месяц.
[15:56:20] nie: на 6к в месяц питаюсь
[15:56:24] webninja: где?
[15:56:28] nie: в москве
[15:56:33] webninja: хмммм
[15:56:33] nie: студент
[15:56:38] webninja: ааа
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[15:56:55] nie: не дошираками
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[15:57:03] webninja: не ну это плохо вообще, бро, так питаться. всю жизнь так не получится.
[15:57:16] webninja: ну понтяно что не, можно кашки кушать
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[15:57:52] nie: за всю жизнь можно и до больше чем 70 доработаться
[15:58:28] webninja: ну тогда какие вопросы ) устраивайся вообще куда угодно где платят и особо не парят мозг, так же сиди еще на одеске ) окучивай буржуев, и ищи варианты сделать ноги из страны ) на хабре можно почитать такие success stories
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[16:00:46] nie: мгм
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[16:02:54] webninja: в просвященую европу куда-нибудь или даже в технократические сша.
[16:03:18] nie: я бы съебал че
[16:03:32] nie: но пока рано
[16:03:39] webninja: а потом будет поздно )
[16:03:51] webninja: жена дети например и все.
[16:04:06] webninja: будешь тут с путиным до 2го пришествия сидеть.
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[16:04:16] nie: ну до момента когда факельные шествия начнутся я сидеть не собираюсь
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[16:04:33] nie: жену-детей можно и с собой
[16:04:41] nie: теоретически
[16:04:42] webninja: ну там уже другие заморочки будут
[16:04:47] webninja: с этим всем
[16:05:33] webninja: жена скажет, блииин я не хочу. ну и все такое. мало того нужно еще IELTS будет вероятно сдавать и ей тоже. ну вообщем мигрировать станет много сложнее.
[16:06:27] webninja: резюмируя: хороший вариант пристеть на проект где особо не грузят, в свободное время не лениться торчать на одеске, год-два и все получится.
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[17:28:12] Tony: одеск для неудачников
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[17:28:58] webninja: а что для удачников?
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[17:30:43] Tony: что угодно
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[17:31:03] Tony: на одеске школьники, индусы и хохлы за копейки создают очень большую конкуренцию
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[17:41:42] webninja: ну в пятоне не так все плохо было
[17:42:07] xa4a: nie: а что ты умеешь?
[17:42:16] webninja: xa4a в гугл возьмет )
[17:43:12] webninja: Tony так везде наверное, есть еще elance какой-то
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[17:43:52] nie: xa4a: программировать на питоне, например
[17:43:59] nie: на пхп немного
[17:44:03] nie: на джаваскрипте
[17:44:11] nie: с джей-куери знаком
[17:44:14] webninja: тем более я же советую не пахать там за зарплату, а использовать одеск для наведения контактов, и опыта работы с иностранцами.
[17:44:16] xa4a: юникс/линукс?
[17:44:19] nie: с джанго очень неплохо знаком
[17:44:36] nie: очень умею (несколько лет на десктопе): убунту, арч
[17:44:43] webninja: кстати недавно кто-то спрашивал в москве программера на пятоне
[17:44:44] xa4a: а город?
[17:44:49] webninja: 70 тыщ вроде предлагал
[17:45:03] nie: а город пока Москва, но вообще мог бы и переехать
[17:45:19] nie: в Москве учусь тоесть
[17:45:21] xa4a: ну я знаю в киеве было много питона года назад
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[17:45:24] Tony: бля вот только не в москве бы жаловаться на то что работу найти сложно
[17:45:36] nie: кто говорит что сложно
[17:45:39] nie: я только начал
[17:45:47] xa4a: вон во львове логику закрыли - теперь, небось, ваще все вакансии разберут :D
[17:46:10] Tony: вот я начинал когда, жил в г. Белово Кемеровской обл.
[17:46:18] Tony: вот там попробуй ка работу на питоне найти )
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[17:46:56] xa4a: один вариант - выбрать себе какую-то цифру, чтобы со спокойной душой работать, например $2k и искать работу за $2k. пока не найдёшь - набираться опыта на одеске
[17:47:28] nie: олсо почему одеск для неудачников? Если довольно начальные рейты первести в фулл-тайм и в рубли, не так уж плохо выходит по нашим меркам
[17:47:54] webninja: в львове бандеровцы
[17:48:02] Tony: да вот в том то и дело, там большинство проектов уныние, такие вот те кому неплохо лезут и создают демпинг
[17:48:13] Tony: потом этот проект становится крайне сложно поддерживать
[17:48:15] Tony: и понеслась
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[17:48:17] webninja: Tony а щаз где?
[17:48:25] Tony: webninja, в новосибирске
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[17:48:34] webninja: а там много пятона?
[17:48:54] xa4a: Tony: ну демпинг такое дело… там же заказчики тоже не все смотрят чтобы подешевле
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[17:49:03] xa4a: не отдадут индийскому студенту за 5
[17:49:16] webninja: на одеске еще часто заказчик сам не знает что ему нужно в итоге ты ему сам придумываешь что нужно. это ад канешно
[17:49:23] Tony: ну попросит индусский студент 15 суть то?
[17:49:24] webninja: ну это надо смотреть
[17:49:30] Tony: webninja, во во во
[17:49:40] Tony: потому что редко серьезные люди идут на одеск, жалко конечно
[17:49:50] Tony: хотя набираться опыта если совсем 0, можно и на одеске конечно
[17:50:17] webninja: да ладно я там видел типов которые за несколько месяцев по несколько сотен тратили
[17:50:24] nie: там индусов под 15 в питоне не так уж много, восточноевропейцы в основном (хотя смотря что понимается под словом "индус")
[17:50:25] webninja: сотен тыщ баксов
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[17:51:31] webninja: суть в том что там так же работают аутсурс команды и просто удобно контролить все это дело. вот например чтобы делать какой-то заказ, где ты не знаешь сколько займет и не хочешь фиксед прайс никакой. то или через одеск что фактически без гемора и с защитой твоих интересов как разработчика, либо чоткий план + милестонес с оплатой.
[17:51:41] webninja: я бы предпочел одеск in any case
[17:52:24] xa4a: "не знаешь сколько займёт"
[17:52:31] xa4a: ключевая фраза
[17:52:36] webninja: ну по времени
[17:53:06] xa4a: я думаю, что это можно оптимизировать
[17:53:10] xa4a: и платить частями
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[17:53:20] webninja: ну вот milestones
[17:53:27] xa4a: йеп
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[17:53:33] webninja: но я бы лучше смотрел как деньги капают
[17:53:55] xa4a: так майлстоуны с одеском жее можно тем же
[17:54:14] webninja: через одеск + заказчик будет увверен, что ты не вола ебешь а сидишь делом занимаешься.
[17:54:23] Tony: мне понравилось что на одеске есть гарантированная оплата
[17:54:27] webninja: да
[17:54:28] Tony: вот это интересно, да
[17:54:38] Tony: но так или иначе все равно что еланс всякий
[17:54:55] webninja: я думаю многие его так и юзают, для организации аутсорс работы. как экскроу или 3ю сторону.
[17:55:22] webninja: а что на елансе? лориен там регался чото там никто не отвечает. как будто дохлый. он одно задание там сделал
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[17:55:38] xa4a: и теперь в таиланде
[17:55:53] webninja: да я тоже поеду в августе
[17:56:09] webninja: там будет GrabLab HQ
[17:58:02] webninja: *эскроу кстати
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[17:58:24] webninja: Tony расскажи как там на elance?
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[17:58:45] Tony: webninja, я давно там пытался работать лет 5 назад
[17:58:49] Tony: уныние аля фриланс.ру
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[18:00:37] webninja: xa4a олсо, в тайланде лучше чем в холодном дождливом дублине )
[18:01:04] xa4a: webninja: я не сомневаюсь)
[18:01:11] xa4a: за то тут бесплатная еда :P
[18:01:34] webninja: повар специальный?
[18:01:38] webninja: а как офис выглядит?
[18:02:28] xa4a: webninja: http://www.flickr.com/photos/conallob/sets/72157625911165510/ https://picasaweb.google.com/photos.jobs/DublinOfficePhotos
[18:02:52] xa4a: и ещё одно совсем новое здание сделали. поваров много. в трёх зданиях 4 столовых с поварами
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[18:03:29] webninja: блин, ирландия вроде не дешевая страна, чем там офис занимается?
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[18:03:47] webninja: лучеб где-нибудь в бангалоре отгрохали офис ) или на Гоа
[18:04:27] xa4a: webninja: тут в основном сейлзы и сапорт
[18:04:31] xa4a: для EMEA
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[18:07:40] webninja: даааа крутой офис
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[18:11:43] xa4a: кстати, сейчас сейлзов русско/украиноговорящих ищут. можно продать кого-то
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