[00:00:20] Tony: но зачем?
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[00:08:21] py_two: Tony: что зачем ?
[00:08:29] Tony: это использовать
[00:08:54] py_two: Tony: это неистребимое желание все ковырять
[00:09:08] Tony: займись haskell ;)
[00:09:16] py_two: Tony: пробовать и находить лучшее ПО
[00:09:34] py_two: Tony: меня устраивает пайтон
[00:09:56] Tony: глупо без всякой целесообразности использовать всякую бяку писанную на коленке
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[00:11:40] py_two: Tony: а я слышал он достаточно неплох
[00:12:09] Tony: кто он?
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[00:12:27] py_two: Tony: Tornado
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[00:13:00] Tony: ну зачем скрещивать ужа и мотороллер?
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[00:13:19] Tony: он не плох, но в связке с django его польза крайне сомнительна
[00:13:31] Tony: а уж тем более путем какой-то как минимум странной поделки
[00:13:37] Tony: надо django используй django
[00:13:43] Tony: надо tornado используй tornado
[00:14:08] py_two: Tony: как бы фреймворк и веб-сервер
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[00:14:28] Tony: я знаю что такое tornado
[00:14:38] Tony: главное зачем, какая цель использования такой связки?
[00:14:56] py_two: Tony: готовность к большим нагрузкам на проект
[00:15:03] py_two: хочется все делать не через жопу
[00:15:23] py_two: именно поэтому я отказался от изучения php. Потому что там все как раз через задницу
[00:15:24] Tony: а по-моему наоборот %)
[00:15:40] Tony: как поможет связка tornado и django при нагрузках?
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[00:16:38] py_two: Tony: это очень быстрый веб-сервер
[00:16:54] Tony: я думаю ты путаешь теплое с мягким
[00:17:10] Tony: tornado не только веб-сервер
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[00:17:44] Tony: и нужен он только там где нужна асинхронность на уровне питона и где нужно напрямую работать с протоколами, в первую очередь с http
[00:18:04] Tony: например websocket, longpull итд итп
[00:18:09] Tony: конечно его и без этого можно использовать
[00:18:18] py_two: Tony: понятно. Мне это пока не нужно
[00:18:21] Tony: но один хрен когда хостится торнадо, он все равно хостится еще через какой-то веб сервер
[00:18:26] Tony: например через nginx
[00:18:32] Tony: допустим ставится nginx и 4 торнады за ним
[00:18:34] py_two: буду дальше использовать nginx
[00:18:50] py_two: Tony: понял. спасибо. для меня это все пока что не особо востребованно
[00:19:01] Tony: а если нужна скорость, по-моему самая быстрая связка для django это uwsgi + cherokee но могу ошибаться
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[03:27:12] Orhideous: Ребят, это ппц.
[03:27:24] Orhideous: Поза-позавчера вечром спрашивал, какой язык выучить. Я и говорю, мол, "Python". И книгу ему даю.
[03:27:30] Orhideous: По которой учил сам
[03:27:44] Orhideous: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/32311307/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%20Python.pdf
[03:27:50] Orhideous: А сегодня утром постучался с вопросом про то, как писать замыкания в Python
[03:27:58] Orhideous: Пацану 13 лет
[03:28:04] Orhideous: Юзает дебиан
[03:28:09] Orhideous: И папа сисадмин
[03:28:15] Orhideous: О-че-шу-еть
[03:28:50] Orhideous: За день выучить основы языка, ООП, и начать курить функциональщину для декораторов
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[03:31:16] Orhideous: Я на это недель пару потратил, а он... мне стыдно, да.
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[03:39:03] pytwo: Ой да ладно
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[03:39:33] pytwo: По-моему наше поколение самое толковое
[03:39:52] pytwo: Все что дальше - все попса
[03:40:44] pytwo: Без знаний ассемблера кодер не кодер, а так, кусок говна
[03:41:14] pytwo: Кусок говна с декораторами
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[03:50:18] pytwo: Кстати чем меньше знаешь языков - тем быстрее все схватываешь, но конечный код ужасен у таких. Чем больше языков знает человек - тем медленнее человек въезжает в яп, но код написанный этим человеком чуть менее чем кошерен
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[04:17:50] Orhideous: (01:38:18) pytwo: Без знаний ассемблера кодер не кодер, а так, кусок говна
[04:17:56] Orhideous: Вот не соглашусь
[04:18:21] Orhideous: Ассемблер - это просто ЯП, не более.
[04:18:36] Orhideous: Ну, и отличное средство дисциплинирования ума
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[04:32:24] pytwo: Компьютер это лодка, а знания асма весла
[04:33:08] pytwo: Без весел конечно можно руками грести, но далеко не уплывешь
[04:33:50] Orhideous: Знание асма - это, скорее, знание природы междумолекулярных взаимодействий, удерживающих волокна древесины весла вместе.
[04:34:20] Orhideous: То есть, это как бы полезное знание, но в навыке грести оно тебе не поможет, увы...
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[04:35:33] pytwo: Семь лет проведенные в асме я не могу сказать потраченные впустую года
[04:35:58] Orhideous: Тем не менее, я не говорю, что он бесполезен.
[04:36:50] pytwo: Он голову настраивает на волну дзена:-)
[04:38:07] pytwo: Хотя как яп он ужасен. Без трасера понять даже свой код тяжело
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[04:40:23] pytwo: А порой невозможно
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[23:03:39] bugi: сегодня был на собеседовании на позиции python engineer.
Прикольно конечно. Ниодного вопроса по языку. Все о компах да о компах. Интересно, но нужно ли это все на практике
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