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[11:09:50] _lorien: парни, я открыл для себя global write lock в монге
[11:10:05] _lorien: как дела в аналогичных продуктах, в couchdb, например, есть там такое?
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[12:05:46] _lorien: riak кто-нить юзал?
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[12:14:40] огыешсук: Там юзают.
[12:16:07] _lorien: а какой канал, какой адрес?
[12:17:52] огыешсук: erlang@c.j.r же
[12:18:01] огыешсук: можно erlang-talks@c.j.r
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[12:27:31] _lorien: огыешсук: дай мне там голос, пожалуйста
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[13:28:15] _lorien: чё-то молчат, только долбоёб какой-то про mysql написал
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[13:28:59] slav0nic: а нафиг тебе riak?
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[13:29:18] slav0nic: друг вроде ковырят, но хз на сколько глубоко
[13:29:28] _lorien: хз нафиг он мне
[13:29:33] _lorien: монга тормозит просто
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[13:30:16] slav0nic: то что монго тормозит по-моему все давно знают В)
[13:32:09] _lorien: тормозит в конкретном случае, а не вообще, когда много concurrent write/read
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[13:32:46] _lorien: возможно шардинг бы помок, Грят можно даже не одной машине его делать (именно для обхода лока), но не хочу заморачиваться
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[13:33:56] slav0nic: а данных много?
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[13:36:27] _lorien: ну так себе, полтора гига всего
[13:36:52] _lorien: короче такая проблема
[13:37:04] _lorien: кэш сайта лежит в mysql-базе, там где-то 2 ляма страниц
[13:37:12] _lorien: начинаю парсить из кэша и в один процесс всё круто
[13:37:26] _lorien: mongo не тупит, чему там тупить если все запросы идут последовательно
[13:37:44] _lorien: а когда процессов несколько всё тупит т.к. один процес ломится читать или писать, другой тоже ломится
[13:38:30] _lorien: а пока один пишет, другие ничего делать не могут
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[13:41:23] slav0nic: а mysql?
[13:41:53] slav0nic: у тебя 1 процесс пишет и много читателей?
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[13:45:23] _lorien: какой ещё mysql?
[13:45:28] _lorien: мы про mongo щас грим
[13:45:40] slav0nic: [11:42:00] _lorien: кэш сайта лежит в mysql-базе, там где-то 2 ляма страниц

[13:45:45] _lorien: аа
[13:45:57] slav0nic: или ты потом с монги выливаешь?
[13:45:58] _lorien: да кэша уже записан, честно гря
[13:46:19] _lorien: да даже если и пишется, mysql, postgres они же оптимизированы под multiple read/write
[13:46:24] _lorien: нету глобального лока
[13:46:30] slav0nic: ну да
[13:46:33] slav0nic: постгрес получше)
[13:46:39] slav0nic: ибо MVCC
[13:46:51] _lorien: я короче щас смотрю в сторону mysql/postgres обычных таблиц, в которых некоторые поля просто будут JSON-массивами
[13:46:58] _lorien: mysql тоже MVCC
[13:47:20] _lorien: вернее, я не знаю. что такое MVCC
[13:47:35] _lorien: гыгы, ты про транзакционность или что?
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[13:47:59] slav0nic: нет ладно, ну в InnoDB по-моему это есть
[13:48:02] slav0nic: версионность
[13:48:06] slav0nic: я не любитель mysql)
[13:48:15] _lorien: да мне пох ваще, просто заказчик хотел mysql
[13:48:15] slav0nic: ну так у постгреса и jsonfield есть
[13:48:20] _lorien: я тюнил и то и то, одинаково работают
[13:48:21] slav0nic: гг
[13:48:24] _lorien: на моей машине
[13:48:46] _lorien: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/rowtypes.html не вижу тут jsonfield
[13:48:54] slav0nic: не знаю, на многоядерных у меня всегда пг выигрывал) ну то такое
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[13:48:58] slav0nic: 9.2
[13:49:02] _lorien: как понять выигрывал
[13:49:12] _lorien: ты их тюнил?
[13:49:14] slav0nic: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/What%27s_new_in_PostgreSQL_9.2#JSON_datatype
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[13:49:24] slav0nic: )) я ваще дба работаю, наверно
[13:49:35] _lorien: без настройки то нет смысла грить
[13:49:55] _lorien: я причём юзаю их как key-value, если уж утрировать
[13:50:01] _lorien: может на сложных запросых postgres и лучше
[13:50:06] slav0nic: ну hstore есть в постгресе
[13:50:09] _lorien: мне пох, я вообще тоже postgres юзаю
[13:50:11] slav0nic: для key value
[13:50:21] slav0nic: правда я лишь игрался когда-то
[13:50:27] _lorien: на всех сайтах он стоит
[13:50:49] _lorien: просто тут хотели mysql для проекта одного, ну ладно, чо, решил поиграться с ним
[13:51:05] _lorien: а 9.2 в squuze есть?
[13:51:19] _lorien: hstore? это тоже родной тип?
[13:51:20] slav0nic: в дебиане свой репозиторий под постгрес
[13:51:23] slav0nic: должно ща
[13:51:24] slav0nic: да
[13:51:33] slav0nic: hstore по-моему давно есть
[13:52:01] slav0nic: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pgdg.list
deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ wheezy-pgdg main
[13:52:07] slav0nic: сквищи только вбей
[13:52:10] slav0nic: и глянь чё там
[13:52:24] slav0nic: для визи всё свежее
[13:52:25] _lorien: а что за json-тип, не пойму, что он даёт
[13:52:28] slav0nic: и пгадмины всякие и субд
[13:52:30] _lorien: валидацию только и всё?
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[13:53:37] _lorien: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=hset&go=Go хмм
[13:53:51] _lorien: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/rowtypes.html может ты это hset называешь?
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[13:54:11] _lorien: dba - это типа чувак. который шарит в базах данных?
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[13:55:24] slav0nic: да, только я по sybase IQ B)
[13:55:38] slav0nic: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/hstore.html
[13:56:02] slav0nic: по json пока да только валидация, но вроде там были какие-то хаки чтоб можно было индексировать и тп
[13:56:32] slav0nic: http://people.planetpostgresql.org/andrew/index.php?/archives/249-Using-PLV8-to-index-JSON.html
[13:56:37] slav0nic: вот например чёт
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[13:58:43] _lorien: да не, не надо мне индексировать вроде, эх ладно, ща буду думать, я сначала ваще без монги сделал, сразу на лету разбрасывал всё по m-2-m таблицам, но чё-то ад какой-то
[13:58:59] _lorien: даже memory двиг тормозит, там просто тупо всё из-за кол-ва SQL тормозит запросов
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[13:59:23] _lorien: А если сохранить сначала в плоскую структуру, потом уже проще разбирать, можно кэшировать, скопом сразу кучу значений для анализа выбирать и т.д.
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[15:11:37] Singularity: xa4a: там деревяшка
[15:11:50] Singularity: с дерева никогда не сделаешь нож
[15:12:24] Singularity: очень хорошая аналогия
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[15:39:00] _lorien: что ето?
[15:39:23] _lorien: чё-то я охуел уже, уже неделю вожусь с этими базами
[15:39:31] _lorien: то одно, то другое выплывет
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[15:59:56] slav0nic: графики каляк, для нагрузок и тп
[16:00:03] slav0nic: аля rrd
[16:00:04] slav0nic: http://graphite.wikidot.com/
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[19:40:43] _lorien: я заббикс юзал
[19:40:59] _lorien: даже щас работает, даже хз на каком сервер, шлёт уведомления всякие, гыгы
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[22:15:35] gigimon: а кто юзал django-social-auth? у них что, сломан твиттер и фейсбук?
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[22:18:33] _lorien: http://tort8.com/account/login попробуй тут
[22:18:38] _lorien: это вроде django-social-auth
[22:18:58] gigimon: _lorien: у тебя последняя версия?
[22:19:13] gigimon: я просто смотрю исходники и бэкенд твиттера и фейсбука он даже не подгружает
[22:19:26] gigimon: т.к. они наследованы не от того класса. на что проверяется
[22:21:42] _lorien: я хз какая у меня версия
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[22:22:02] _lorien: ставил из репы хз сколько месяцев назад
[22:22:10] _lorien: могу сказать ревизию, если надо
[22:22:33] _lorien: ну он подгружает на основе settings, видимо
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