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[00:31:24] fuzzy: сегодня международный день чупакабры?
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[12:39:29] mironich: А нормально ли в питоне писать комменты в стиле javadoc?
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[13:19:07] fuzzy: mishok13: это как?
[13:19:10] fuzzy: с /*
[13:19:11] fuzzy: *
[13:19:14] fuzzy: * /
[13:19:28] fuzzy: или с описанием атрибутов и аргументов?
[13:19:38] mishok13: промахнулся
[13:20:36] mishok13: mironich, ты имеешь в виду многострочные комментарии или автогенерацию документации?
[13:21:01] mishok13: первое -- кроме # больше нету вариантов
[13:21:25] mishok13: второе -- sphinx (или если хочется совсем быть как жавадок, то epydoc)
[13:21:35] mishok13: ну или doxygen
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[13:22:24] mishok13: но я бы советовал sphinx в любом случае
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[13:25:21] fuzzy: mironich: в общем ответ - да, нормально. Лучше развесистые комментарии, чем никаких. Хотя, если нет амбиции по автогенерации документации по комментариям, то достаточно и текста в свободной форме
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[13:38:52] mironich: mishok13:, у меня сначала идет описание что делает функция.
[13:39:08] mironich: А потом в javadoc
[13:39:22] mironich: Формате параметры, возвращаемое значение.
[13:40:04] mishok13: http://sphinx-doc.org/tutorial.html#documenting-objects
[13:40:43] mishok13: http://sphinx-doc.org/ext/autodoc.html#module-sphinx.ext.autodoc как вариант
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[13:42:43] mironich: Это для генерации док-ции? Мне генерация не нужна пока, а javadoc для восприятия визуального удобно... А по генерациии я юзал утилиту которая создает как в оф. док-ции питона док-цию. Я вот просто подумал насколько эстетичны такие комменты..
[13:43:06] mironich: М.б прост. не принято так писать..
[13:43:16] mironich: В формате javadoc
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[13:46:20] mishok13: доки в питоне принято писать в докстрингах: http://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/controlflow.html#documentation-strings
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[13:57:08] mironich: Ну я их там и пишу)
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[13:57:34] mishok13: тогда я теряюсь в догадках, что тебя конкретно не устраивает
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[13:58:43] mironich: Меня все устраивает, у меня просто был вопрос: Насколько корректно юзать javadoc в python. С точки зрения правильности подхода как-то так.
[13:59:19] fuzzy: объясни что ты тогда под javadocом понимаешь
[14:00:05] fuzzy: вон в гугле свой стиль комментариев в коде: http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pyguide.html#Comments
[14:00:23] fuzzy: вполне такой себе читаемый. вобще все почти стили читаемые. дело привычки
[14:00:28] mishok13: ты волен делать всё что душе угодно в докстрингах
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[14:00:50] mishok13: жабадок полезен в джаве только потому что есть автогенерация доков, но нету repl
[14:01:13] mishok13: в питоне документация обычно прямо под рукой (doc(obj))
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[14:02:38] mironich: http://dpaste.com/1211934/ Вот
[14:03:16] mishok13: абсолютно нормально
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[14:04:06] mironich: Спасибо. Теперь со спокойной душой продолжу коментировать. А то все сомнения грызли.
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[14:09:56] fuzzy: ещё полезно описание из двух частей делать - сначала короткое, на одну строку, сразу после """, а потом, с новой строки, опционально ещё и длинное
[14:11:08] fuzzy: тогда, например, при сворачивании кода, у тебя будет полноценное законченное предложение в подсказке
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[14:14:17] mironich: Спасибо учту. А вот текст в исключених стоит сокращать(текст ошибки), если пользователю классса понадобиться конкретное исключение отловить, например: "Can`t parse auth form action attribute" то if будет длинным.. Это нормально? есс-но подразумеваю что кода ошибки нету у исключения.
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[14:21:44] fuzzy: нет. пользователю не должно быть нужно отлавливать исключения по тексту
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[14:22:15] fuzzy: если есть какой-то тип исключения, которому может понадобиться специальная обработка - делать его наследником базового класса исключения
[14:22:38] fuzzy: если пользователь захочет его особо обработать - словит более конкретное исключение
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[14:22:43] fuzzy: нет - так нет
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[14:28:27] mironich: "если пользователь захочет его особо обработать - словит более конкретное исключение", это не понял.... У меня все классы исключений от Excaption наследуются, или ты имел ввиду от моего класса исключения унаследовать тот для которого спец обработка нужна?
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[14:30:12] fuzzy: да
[14:31:02] fuzzy: вместо сообщения "Can`t parse auth form action attribute" - класс CantParseAuthFormActionAttribute(MyBaseError): pass
[14:31:18] fuzzy: очевидно, в более вменяемым именем
[14:31:22] fuzzy: *с
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[14:32:25] mironich: Понял, спасибо. А коньектацию строк через join использовать только если в цикле? Илили там операция много раз повторяется,... А если один раз то через оператор?:
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[14:38:41] fuzzy: ну.. да..
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[22:23:33] webninja: привет
[22:23:37] webninja: господа
[22:23:41] webninja: не подскажете
[22:24:42] webninja: sqlalchemy + mysql драйвер python-mysqlDB
[22:25:04] webninja: вроде пишет в базу и все дела.
[22:25:05] webninja: но
[22:25:08] webninja: пробую так
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[22:26:02] webninja: session = Session(); campaign_obj = session.query(Campaign).order_by('-id').first(); campaign_obj.status = 'work'
session.add(campaign_obj); session.commit(); print campaign_obj
[22:26:20] webninja: <campaigns: 37 fdfsdfsdfsdfsdfs state: stop>
[22:26:25] webninja: а он не меняет стэйт
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[22:30:31] webninja: упс
[22:30:32] webninja: косяк
[22:30:43] webninja: нет аттрибута status есть аттрибут state
[22:30:49] webninja: ну он бы хоть ругнулся чтоли
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[22:42:11] webninja: ну ладно хоть доков прочитал, нашел там pool_recycle опцию
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