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[00:55:13] py_two: label можно определить только в форме или в модели тоже ?

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[01:30:46] fuzzy: >_<
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[01:32:49] fuzzy: py_two: ответ на этот вопрос есть в документации
[01:32:52] fuzzy: но кроме этого
[01:33:01] fuzzy: чтобы понять ответ даже в документацию смотреть не нужно
[01:33:08] fuzzy: просто из соображений здравого смысла
[01:33:18] fuzzy: модель - это модель, а форма - это контроллер-представление
[01:33:22] fuzzy: а label?
[01:33:42] py_two: fuzzy: ну я просто спросил
[01:34:52] py_two: fuzzy: дядя, не забывай сколько ты лет в этом варишься
[01:35:12] py_two: fuzzy: понятно что такие тупые вопросы тебя раздражают
[01:35:34] py_two: fuzzy: но тупорылые т.е я и такие как я всегда были есть и будут
[01:35:55] fuzzy: py_two: я знаю
[01:36:02] fuzzy: не принимай это близко к сердцу
[01:36:26] fuzzy: просто постарайся из каждого моего высера извлечь что-то полезное
[01:36:48] fuzzy: например, почитать про то, что такое MVC
[01:36:58] fuzzy: и как в него вписывается джанга
[01:37:07] fuzzy: какие компоненты в ней отвечают за M, V, C
[01:37:28] fuzzy: это всё не просто словоблудие
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[01:37:34] fuzzy: это основополагающие понятия
[01:37:44] fuzzy: на них можно строить дальшнейшие рассуждения
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[01:43:02] py_two: fuzzy: я согласен. Читать надо. Я от того, что ты раздражаешься раздражаюсь не меньше. Тут такой момент, что дьянга гараздо сложнее, чем мне требуется на данном этапе. И примеры в доке намного сложнее, а примитивов нет
[01:43:46] fuzzy: с таким подходом можно писать на пхп
[01:43:54] py_two: fuzzy: а без практики примитивов не постигнуть сложного
[01:44:11] py_two: fuzzy: можно, не не хочу.
[01:44:29] fuzzy: если ты хочешь учиться по-человечески, то есть такое понятие как системность
[01:44:42] fuzzy: это не значит, кидаться на самое простое и пытаться сделать из него костыли
[01:45:03] fuzzy: а значит, прислушаться к опыту тех, кто уже с твоей проблемой (обучения) сталкивался
[01:45:14] fuzzy: эти те, кто сталкивался, написали для таких как ты туториал
[01:45:22] fuzzy: где по шагам всё расписано как делать
[01:45:35] fuzzy: чтобы пройти туториал вообще не надо ничего про джангу знать
[01:45:54] fuzzy: базовых знаний питона достаточно, чтобы понять весь туториал
[01:45:56] fuzzy: и выполнить
[01:46:18] fuzzy: после этого документацию достаточно просмотреть вскольз, чтобы просто знать, где что лежит
[01:47:36] py_two: fuzzy: >а значит, прислушаться к опыту тех, кто уже с твоей проблемой (обучения) сталкивался
ну мы ж не такие. Нам мордой в дерьмо сто раз и испытаваешь чуть ли не оргазм от полученных шишек :)
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[01:48:10] fuzzy: но дело ж не в тебе
[01:48:19] fuzzy: если бы сам молча мордой в дерьмо..
[01:48:27] fuzzy: то вопросов бы к тебе не было :)
[01:51:12] py_two: fuzzy: пока я молчал в этом канале я прочитал три книги. html, css, django. Потом меня оторвало и я понял что мне надо кодить. Вот это и есть причина того, что я сейчас такой перевозбужденный
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[01:52:43] fuzzy: по питону ты давно глупых вопросов не задавал. наверно книга хорошая
[01:52:50] fuzzy: а по джанге - так себе..
[01:52:56] fuzzy: почитай туториал
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[13:15:01] webninja: парни
[13:15:17] webninja: есть словарь например {'a': 1, }
[13:15:40] webninja: {'a': 1, 'b': {'key1': val1, 'key2', val2}}
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[13:16:21] webninja: как половчее бы получить список кеев в виде ('a', ('b', ('key1', 'key2')))
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[13:18:26] fuzzy: функцию рекурсивную
[13:19:35] webninja: ну да, я так делаю
[13:19:48] webninja: может какое-нибудь еще решение есть красивее
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[13:20:51] fuzzy: можно рекурсивную лямбду через Y-комбинатор сделать...
[13:20:57] fuzzy: что значит красивее? :)
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[13:22:26] fuzzy: так, разве что:
[13:22:28] fuzzy: def f(obj):
return tuple((k, f(v)) if isinstance(v, dict) else k for k, v in obj.items())
[13:22:40] fuzzy: но я бы такое в код-ревью не пропустил бы :)
[13:23:04] fuzzy: хотя...
[13:23:11] fuzzy: если сюда строк 5 докстринга..
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[13:28:58] webninja: да у меня что-то типа того
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[13:39:20] fuzzy: правда тьюпл тут семантически не подходит
[13:39:29] fuzzy: словари же несортированные
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[16:08:07] opka: а как сделать питоноскрипт демоном? :)
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[16:11:02] levsha: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3143/
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[22:40:15] RanWise is now дремаю на диване=)
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[22:50:47] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
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