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[01:52:24] λ: Нус, думаю пора начинать оффтоп. Не думаете ?
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[01:55:46] λ: slav0nic: http://python.su/forum/topic/22241/?page=1#post-114576 я согласен
[02:01:44] λ: Я наверно это <http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F> начну читать. Открыл в некоторых местах - вроде нормально
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[02:23:21] λ: http://lesswrong.ru/w/%D0%A3%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C%D1%81%D1%8F
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[03:40:31] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[05:33:46] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[18:38:12] fuzzy: py_two: нашёл уже себе программистов?
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[18:47:13] py_two: fuzzy: а что ?:)
[18:47:22] fuzzy: интересно
[18:47:38] fuzzy: больше ли у тебя организационных способностей, чем программистских
[18:47:57] py_two: я как-то задумывался над этим моментом
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[18:48:10] py_two: оценить врядли смогу. Думаю в пополаме и того и того
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[18:48:42] py_two: fuzzy: ты бы смог перепрыгивать из скажем си в питон и обратно ?
[18:48:52] fuzzy: думаю, вполне
[18:49:00] fuzzy: у меня только на си почти нет опыта коммерческого
[18:49:01] py_two: и еще скриптить на какой-то экзотике дебильной
[18:49:09] fuzzy: но если будет задача - смогу
[18:49:15] py_two: та ладно)
[18:49:20] fuzzy: на делбильной - не смогу
[18:49:26] py_two: экзакли!
[18:49:29] fuzzy: зачем на дебильной скриптить? мало нормальных?
[18:49:38] py_two: там специфика такая
[18:49:42] py_two: заменителей нет
[18:49:48] fuzzy: написать заменитель
[18:50:00] fuzzy: я в вузе учил ABAP
[18:50:12] fuzzy: вот на нём писать мог бы, но не стал бы
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[19:03:14] py_two: fuzzy: нас в вузе много чему учили
[19:03:55] λ: py_two: а ты тоже программист?
[19:03:58] py_two: много языков программирования. В основном практику вели студенты, которые только аспирантами стали
[19:04:45] py_two: особо отличалась девочка одна, которая вела си. Которая сама не написала не одной программы. Я интересовался
[19:05:25] py_two: λ: я уже не знаю кто я. Чудо в перьях наверное)
[19:05:45] fuzzy: пойди в учебный центр
[19:05:50] fuzzy: неткрекер вон как раз набирает людей
[19:05:52] fuzzy: учить джаву
[19:06:12] py_two: fuzzy: =) еще жавы мне только не хватало :)
[19:06:20] py_two: для полного счастья-то
[19:06:24] fuzzy: там ещё учат сетям
[19:06:26] fuzzy: и телеком
[19:06:31] py_two: огого!
[19:06:35] fuzzy: и бесплатно, ага
[19:06:46] fuzzy: так что как раз взять кредит, переехать вкиев и выучиться
[19:07:17] py_two: и стать наконец Человеком ?:)
[19:07:28] fuzzy: нет
[19:07:31] fuzzy: просто джавистом
[19:08:06] py_two: и только спустя годы понять свою ошибку и задать вопрос: зачем это надо было ?
[19:08:29] fuzzy: как минимум ты попадёшь в крупную компанию, где поймёшь, как компании работают в целом
[19:08:45] py_two: я знаю как они работают
[19:08:51] fuzzy: и пока ты будешь там быдлокодить и зарабатывать достаточно на проживание, ты ночами сможешь выучить хаскель
[19:08:52] λ: py_two: откуда ?
[19:09:13] λ: зачем хаскель?
[19:09:20] py_two: не сбивай fuzzy
[19:09:31] py_two: сказал хаскель - значит хаскель!
[19:09:38] fuzzy: !wtf tao
[19:10:22] fuzzy: такой вариант ты, видимо, уже знаешь, и он тебе не подошёл
[19:10:52] py_two: ага, тут хаскеля не видать просто)
[19:11:16] λ: !wtf рейфага
[19:11:20] fuzzy: всегда есть выбор - цельтися повыше, или пониже
[19:11:28] λ: !wtf рейфаг
[19:11:29] fuzzy: целиться*
[19:11:32] py_two: это моя самая большая проблема
[19:11:50] py_two: по этому поводу могу рассказать грустную историю
[19:12:12] fuzzy: не надо
[19:12:28] py_two: задумал я с одним товарищем одну тему. В общем ставим интернет-магазины, забиваем товаром и барыжим ссылками на сапе
[19:12:45] py_two: так вот я товарищу объяснил азы пхп
[19:13:04] py_two: друг реальный задрот кроме мморг ничего не видел
[19:13:26] py_two: ну и там всяки разны игры типа стрелялок сталкера
[19:13:31] fuzzy: такие не нужны
[19:13:52] py_two: так вот он освоил азы пхп. А мне пхп не нравилось. Хотелось пайтон да дьянго
[19:14:09] fuzzy: что такое дьянго?
[19:14:12] py_two: так вот друг уже год работает фрилансером дома и его доход 5к грн без напрягов
[19:14:36] λ: py_two: тебе кто мешает ?
[19:14:39] py_two: пишет визитки
[19:14:53] py_two: а я не такой, блять, крутезна. Мне пых не кошерно
[19:15:02] py_two: мне подавай пайтон да django
[19:15:12] py_two: и у меня всё так и во всем
[19:15:50] fuzzy: пойди в учебный центр
[19:15:52] fuzzy: учи жабу
[19:16:36] py_two: нетъ=)
[19:16:38] fuzzy: чему тебя твоя история научила?
[19:17:01] py_two: она меня ничему не научила
[19:17:04] py_two: это есть принцип
[19:17:27] py_two: я - это и есть мои принципы. Если отступлю от принципов - я тряпка
[19:17:31] λ: fuzzy: а что должна была научить ?
[19:17:35] py_two: а у тряпки нет будущего
[19:17:37] py_two: =)
[19:18:06] py_two: λ: должна была научить тому, что надо не выегиваться и брать массовое да по-легче
[19:18:21] py_two: на массовом и по-легче тоже можно рубить капусту
[19:18:33] fuzzy: λ: про тряпку - вполне резонно
[19:18:51] fuzzy: py_two: можно по форточкам лазить и рубить капусту
[19:19:06] fuzzy: py_two: запишись на какой-то тренинг личностного роста
[19:19:30] py_two: думаешь поможет ?:)
[19:19:37] fuzzy: может быть
[19:19:40] fuzzy: хуже вряд ли будет
[19:19:57] py_two: думаешь у меня какие-то проблемы психологического характера ?
[19:19:57] fuzzy: я, правда, не знаком
[19:20:11] py_two: сразу начал оправдываться fuzzy
[19:20:21] fuzzy: ну, ты сказал, что ты тряпка и у тебя нет будушего
[19:20:22] py_two: нет-нет)
[19:20:29] py_two: теперь мы знаем секреты твоего успеха
[19:20:32] fuzzy: по-моему, это проблема психологического характера
[19:20:41] py_two: постой-ка)
[19:20:47] py_two: я не говорил, что я тряпка
[19:21:03] py_two: я сказал, если отойду от своих принципов, то тогда я был бы бы бы тряпкой)
[19:21:05] fuzzy: "я - это и есть мои принципы. Если отступлю от принципов - я тряпка"
[19:21:07] fuzzy: а
[19:21:20] fuzzy: а пропустил, извини
[19:21:30] py_two: запишите на видео этот момент
[19:21:41] py_two: когда fuzzy раз в десятилетие потерял нить беседы)
[19:21:52] fuzzy: то есть тряпка - это если история чему-то научила и ты бы изменился?
[19:23:04] py_two: это хитрый вопрос
[19:23:14] py_two: очень ёмкий и хитрый одновременно
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[19:23:29] py_two: тут слово научила в суперпозиции
[19:25:19] fuzzy: мой секрет успеха на самом деле в том, что я ходил в УЦ неткрекера
[19:25:29] fuzzy: и учил жабу
[19:25:55] fuzzy: правда потом, когда надо было бригадой запилить финальный проект, я его за день запилил на питоне
[19:26:04] fuzzy: а потом пару недель его на джаве делали всё-равно..
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[19:27:31] fuzzy: но если бы был выбор между тем, учиться там, или заниматься тем, чем ты сейчас занимаешься - я б пошёл учиться
[19:27:37] fuzzy: есть ещё других много УЦ
[19:27:54] fuzzy: если бы я сейчас выбирал УЦ - пошёл бы в ШАД яндекса, или материалайз
[19:28:54] fuzzy: столько возможностей. прийди только, послушай лекции
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[19:35:23] py_two: fuzzy: возможности только отчасти определяются яп
[19:35:41] py_two: углубление есть причина успеха
[19:38:38] py_two: у меня сейчас не хватает времени углубиться в django & jquery.
[19:38:43] py_two: омг, надо быть честным
[19:38:47] py_two: не во времени дело
[19:39:10] py_two: я не супергейрой, который переключается между специфическим скриптовым яп, си и пайтоном
[19:39:24] py_two: у меня физически мозг взрывается
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[19:40:48] λ: @специфическим скриптовым яп @ это что ?
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[19:43:01] fuzzy: язык программирования
[19:45:19] λ: нет, ну так интересно что это такое специфичное
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[19:49:09] λ: так кто такой рейфаг?
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[19:51:04] fuzzy: тут подсказывают, что человек, который дрочит на аянами рей
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[23:15:35] py_two: fuzzy
[23:15:51] py_two: fuzzy: ждем книгу от тебя
[23:17:21] py_two: на обложке буквами 14 кеглем + сторнирование: Путь джедая. От жависта до джангиста.
[23:17:28] py_two: в шести томах по 1к страниц
[23:17:29] py_two: =)
[23:23:18] py_two: знал бы я яваскрипт как си=\
[23:23:25] py_two: ох я бы и вещи вытворял)
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