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[01:25:26] λ: Ave fuzzy !
[01:25:50] fuzzy: превед
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[03:58:43] λ: есть кто живой ?
[04:01:26] deisler: tcnm
[04:01:34] deisler: есть
[04:06:07] λ: как правильно в django 1.5 снести приложения в бд ? например когда внес измениния в модель, и надо что-бы они вступили в силу
[04:06:19] λ: deisler: посмотри
[04:06:44] deisler: хз, я джанго не юзаю )
[04:08:27] λ: ./manage.py sqlclear questions | ./manage.py dbshell
[04:08:29] λ: ./manage.py syncdb
[04:08:45] λ: но оно кошерно как-то
[04:09:11] λ: + хочет создать суперпользователя
[04:14:12] λ: * не кошерно
[04:14:37] λ: deisler: а на чем ты програмируешь ?
[04:14:40] λ: *мм
[04:14:46] deisler: я админ )
[04:14:58] λ: ааа)
[04:15:00] deisler: так, пару скриптов написал )
[04:17:23] λ: alias reset=" ./manage.py sqlclear questions | ./manage.py dbshell ; ./manage.py syncdb "
[04:18:13] λ: а как затем в терминал "но" передать ?
[04:18:29] λ: как-будто пользователь вводит
[04:20:27] deisler: read x
[04:20:40] deisler: будет ждать ввода с клавиатуры
[04:20:55] deisler: то что введёшь - будет в переменной х
[04:21:01] λ: нет, у меня спрашивают
[04:21:31] λ: надо ответ на рид
[04:21:39] deisler: гм
[04:21:39] λ: :-D
[04:21:48] deisler: попробуй echo "бла бла"
[04:21:55] deisler: /me вангует
[04:22:22] deisler: или так
[04:22:58] deisler: < echo "no"
[04:24:10] λ: deisler: походу нельзя
[04:24:26] deisler: да можно
[04:24:31] deisler: надо нагуглить как )
[04:24:39] λ: пожду пока кто-нибудь скажет нормальный способ
[04:28:56] deisler: echo "no" > a
read x < a
echo $x
no
[04:29:01] deisler: так можно )
[04:29:27] deisler: read -- < a, где a - файл, в котором "no"
[04:29:30] deisler: попробуй
[04:29:57] λ: ./manage.py schemamigration southtut --initial
./manage.py migrate southtut
./manage.py schemamigration southtut --auto
./manage.py migrate southtut
Cпасибо south ты сильно облегщил жизнь!(это не так)
[04:35:37] λ: меня бесит south
[04:37:32] deisler: у тя получилось?
[04:37:51] λ: нет
[04:38:08] deisler: ./manage.py sqlclear questions | ./manage.py dbshell ; ./manage.py syncdb - вот здесь ожидает ввод с клавы?
[04:38:36] λ: выводит немного теста, а заетм спршивает
[04:38:42] λ: забей
[04:38:43] deisler: аа
[04:39:08] deisler: ок
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[06:19:12] xryun: С праздником всех.Высокой зарплаты,карьерного роста,творческих проектов....Ну и адекватных руководителей)
[06:35:09] xryun: Вчера на ночь глядя начал осваивать классы.Конкретнее-специальный класс и методы для генерации пользовательских исключений.Сказано-сделано.Создан файлик exceptions.py,в нем объявлен класс,в классе методы.
пытаюсь экспортировать класс в другом файле-фиг там.Жалуется на ошибку импорта.Если класс создавать в том же файле куда собираюсь экспортировать-все нормально,в другом файле-косяк импорта.Чем лечить?
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[06:48:09] λ: xryun: дававй свой файл
[06:48:48] λ: xryun: на dumpz.org
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[06:54:55] xryun: λ,к сожалению не могу.Давай часика через 4,проект у меня на ноуте,ноут дома.
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[06:56:27] λ: xryun: ты откуда ?
[06:56:44] xryun: Урал
[06:57:18] xryun: Это что то меняет?)
[06:58:11] λ: нет) просто думаю какой нормальный человек в 5 утра не дома спит, а где питон изучает :)
[06:58:23] λ: * где-то
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[06:59:10] xryun: На работе.Где же еще)
[06:59:45] λ: xryun: ты тоже админ ?
[07:00:52] xryun: λ,так..эникейщик с претензиями на программерские знания)
[07:03:55] λ: в этой конференции прорамисты, похоже, только Fuzzy и mishok :-D
[07:04:19] λ: а тони тоже вроде
[07:16:20] dicos: ну почему же? Я то же эникею
[07:16:27] dicos: правда и программистом тружусь
[07:16:43] λ: dicos: джанго умеешь ?
[07:16:59] dicos: ага
[07:17:11] dicos: я ведь с РНР пришел
[07:22:43] λ: fuzzy: ты тут ?
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[08:06:31] xryun: быстрее обращение к словарю по ключу или к списку по индексу?
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[13:20:01] fuzzy: xryun словарь
[13:20:02] fuzzy: singularity: да
[13:21:09] xryun: fuzzy, спасибо за инфу.А чем объясняется?
[13:21:26] xryun: при том что индекс у элемента-постоянен
[13:21:35] xryun: и не требуется иттерация по списку
[13:21:51] fuzzy: как не требуется?
[13:21:59] fuzzy: список - список
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[13:22:18] fuzzy: ты должен считать, что это связный список
[13:22:22] fuzzy: или связанный
[13:22:24] fuzzy: как он там
[13:22:26] fuzzy: короче linked list
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[13:22:53] xryun: ну вот так не требуется.Предположим я всегда знаю что элемент который мне жужен будет-всегда третий в списке
[13:23:05] fuzzy: то, что в CPython он в некоторых случаях реализован в виде массива - это детали реализации, на которые ты не должен опираться
[13:23:15] fuzzy: ты знаешь, что такое linked list?
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[13:23:53] xryun: [1,2,3,4] или {a:1,b:2,c:3,d:4} к примеру
[13:23:59] fuzzy: !g связный список
[13:24:38] xryun: и мне всегда надо получать первое значение и если оно истино-то третье.
[13:24:45] fuzzy: если бы у тебя был массив в С - тогда массив быстрее, т.к. там просто указатели складываются и получаешь адрес нужного элемента
[13:25:09] fuzzy: опять же, маленькие списки в питоне реализованы в виде массива в CPython
[13:25:20] fuzzy: ты можешь этот факт проэксплуатировать и оно таки может быть быстрее
[13:26:04] fuzzy: но в общем случае - словарь - хеш-таблица в которой выбор элемента O(1), а в списке связном - O(n)
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[14:24:25] gigimon: xryun: а зачем ты паришься о скорости? там разница будет минимальна (при учете, что у тебя такой маленький массив)
[14:24:50] gigimon: я вот заметил, что все новички парятся о скорости
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[14:28:12] xryun: gigimon, дьявол кроется в мелочах...ну и удобство тоже складывается из мелочей.Не так давно видоизменив алгоритм я выиграл в скорости около процентов 40.Ну конечно такое заметно только на больших объемах..но тем не менее.
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[14:28:50] gigimon: к тому же эти 40% могут быть 0.00000000005 секунды
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[14:29:31] xryun: в моем случае и примере(это та же курсовая) там было порядка 10 секунд)
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[15:19:26] cutwater: кстати кто-нибдуь мне объяснит с чем был связан сей опус о связных списках?
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[15:51:04] gigimon: cutwater: с попятками оптимизации
[15:51:48] cutwater: да просто мне хотелось бы уточнить что list в Python ни разу не связный список как бы
[15:52:40] cutwater: точнее в CPython
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[16:00:20] gigimon: а как оно там?
[16:01:21] gigimon: http://www.laurentluce.com/posts/python-list-implementation/
[16:01:23] gigimon: ага
[16:01:33] gigimon: просто список указателей
[16:01:39] cutwater: ну вообще это ага вектор указателей
[16:01:45] cutwater: если в терминологии плюсов говорить да
[16:01:56] cutwater: ближе всего из плюсов к нему QList
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[16:50:52] fuzzy: точна, никаких linked list
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[19:42:19] fuzzy: глупый питон :(
[19:42:48] fuzzy: вот json RFC запрещает значения NaN, Infinity, -Infinity
[19:43:06] fuzzy: а json.dumps - их генерирует
[19:43:21] fuzzy: хотя в нём можно сделать allow_nan=False, и тогда будет выплёвывать ошибку
[19:44:04] fuzzy: но если хочется, чтобы NaN выплёвывалось как строка "NaN", то этого сделать без полной переписки JSONEncoder невозможно :(
[19:44:25] fuzzy: s/JSONEncode/JSONEncoder.iterencode/
[19:44:54] fuzzy: т.к. default(), который вызывается, когда encoder не может что-то закодировать при allow_nan=False не вызывается
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[20:07:59] py_two: на правах рекламы: http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4533140
[20:08:47] fuzzy: они до сих пор такие же злые, как и раньше?
[20:10:08] py_two: fuzzy: они чуть-чуть вырасли внутренне. Этот альбом не такой злой
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[20:22:02] py_two: fuzzy: если надо злее, то есть еще злее, чем старые альбомы грот
[20:22:32] fuzzy: нет, злее не надо
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