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[05:35:30] 현아: gigimon: ты о чем?
[05:36:13] 현아: он кстати и сейчас онлайн
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[16:04:22] Tony: какие же уебищные django темплейты после jinja
[16:04:46] aries.ua: Тони, какая уйопищная джанга после фласка :)
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[16:05:01] Tony: да не скажи
[16:05:08] aries.ua: но тем не менее, можно писать а на джанге :)
[16:05:27] Tony: вот щас проект с mongo перетаскиваю на postgres
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[16:05:46] Tony: оставил бы на flask, да нет нормальных орм на питоне кроме джанговской
[16:05:48] aries.ua: ыыы... а мы на оборот. С постгреса на монгу LD
[16:05:50] aries.ua: :D
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[16:06:08] Tony: зря, с голой жопой без транзакций это беда
[16:06:13] aries.ua: эээ... чувак - скульалхимия
[16:06:28] Tony: там ключевое слово "нормальных"
[16:06:41] Tony: SA это в чистом виде java-style
[16:06:45] aries.ua: и чем алхимия не подошла???
[16:07:59] aries.ua: не знаю. Пока Алхимия переплевывает костыльную джанговскую ОРМ на несколько голов вверх
[16:08:10] Tony: чем же?
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[16:09:04] aries.ua: можно удобно писать любые запросы
[16:09:16] aries.ua: нормальные джойны, агрегации
[16:09:40] Tony: ну на весь проект найдется целых 1.5 таких запроса которые не может django
[16:09:53] Tony: только ради этого терпеть весь сопутствующий геморрой это по мне слишком
[16:10:03] fuzzy: кого волнует, что данные не консистентные
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[16:11:11] Tony: к тому же, в SA таки сделали хоть что-то похожее на South?
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[16:13:30] Tony: как бы, на SA можно выполнить абсолютно все, полностью заменить SQL. но когда у тебя engine, session, connection, metadata чтотамеще, и все это чтобы выполнить один запрос... по мне это перебор. да это заебись, гибко и можно все сделать. но нахуя я так и не знаю
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[16:21:05] aries.ua: Странно конечно, но разве все что есть в Алхимии торможит в запросах?
[16:24:54] fuzzy: оно тормозит не в запросах, а в "писать код"
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[19:47:35] gigimon: ох ох, сравнили фласк и джангу...
[19:47:54] gigimon: тут кто-то недавно делал обратный переезд и радовался, что убежал с ущербного фласка на джангу ;)
[19:47:57] gigimon: вернулся точнее
[19:48:17] gigimon: Tony: а кажется ты и был, да?)
[19:48:44] gigimon: джанговские темплейты, к сожалению, просто очень слабые и малофункциональные :(
[19:48:48] gigimon: любой чих, пиши тэг =\
[19:49:29] Tony: да, но с админками я заебался на flask
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