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[01:10:45] RaD: re all
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[01:52:22] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[01:54:12] opka: все джангу обновили?
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[02:24:23] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
[02:24:23] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[06:45:17] ds.tihonov is now дома! :)
[06:45:17] magic_pony is now online
[06:45:17] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[07:35:45] xryun: >все джангу обновили?
А обновление с 1.4 до 1.6-безболезнено?
[07:38:18] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: xryun: смотря что у тебя за проджект )
[07:39:10] xryun: ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈ сайтег фирмы
[07:39:41] xryun: некрупный.Сейчас сижу,отлавливаю баги.Стабилизирую после релиза
[07:40:39] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: xryun: обнови на девсервере и посмотри безболезнено или нет )
[07:41:47] xryun: а что хорошего в новой джанге?Кроме питона 3
[07:45:35] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: xryun: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.6/releases/
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[08:10:29] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: а как работает recaptcha ?
например, я загружаю форму с картинкой, ввожу текст с картинки в форму сайта,а затем сервер идет и проверяет ?
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[08:35:15] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: пошоже оно делает еще какуето фигню
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[10:15:52] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
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[12:10:33] gigimon: http://blog.stanis.ru/img/61285.jpg
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[20:34:05] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[20:44:52] emese: рейты на всяких елансах упали кстати
[20:44:56] emese: с 20 до 10
[20:44:59] emese: примерно
[20:45:07] emese: как пыха два года назад
[20:45:11] py_two: веб падает в целом
[20:45:45] emese: рынок насытился разрабами?
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[20:45:54] emese: или сжался в пользу чего-то,
[20:47:04] fuzzy: смотря у кого рейты
[20:47:29] emese: у среднего проекта в ленте
[20:47:45] fuzzy: но людей в питон приходит больше, чем уходит - очевидно
[20:47:53] fuzzy: когда приходят - рейт ниже
[20:47:57] fuzzy: тянут среднее вниз
[20:48:27] fuzzy: а у питонистов с несколькимя годами, небось и побольше 20
[20:48:38] emese: ну понятно, что у опытных разрабов ничего никуда не упало
[20:49:02] fuzzy: давайте становиться опытными разрабами
[20:49:55] emese: ну так давайте. просто не я один им стану, те через пару лет у опытных тоже упадет.
[20:50:53] emese: довольно обидно пропускать такую бонанзу. долго уже слежу за индустрией, но до сих пор не вошел (учеба и проч)
[20:53:47] emese: вернее не так: рейты у новых опытных разрабов не будут такими же, как у старых
[20:54:08] emese: и критерии опытности поднимутся
[20:54:39] emese: вот поэтому некоторые говорят не нужно привязываться к технологии, нужно привязываться к предметной области
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[21:15:41] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: (19:33:13) emese: хаскель слишком холодный
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell
Появился в:1990 <http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990>
[21:16:15] emese: ну вот лисп в 1950-бородатом появился
не в этом смысле
[21:16:24] emese: хотя сегодняшняя статья на хабре впечатляет
[21:16:41] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: чем она впечетляет ?
[21:17:12] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: GO! GO ! GO! http://golang.org/
[21:17:15] emese: в серьезной компании взяли и внедрили хаскель
[21:18:03] emese: а что го?
[21:19:23] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: скорей он чем хаскель
[21:20:21] ̈ ̈ω - Ω - ω ̈ ̈: http://habrahabr.ru/post/194538/ можно на гугл драйв +10 гиг получить
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[21:26:51] fuzzy: "долго уже слежу за индустрией, но до сих пор не вошел (учеба и проч)"
[21:27:09] fuzzy: вот когда войдёшь, если будешь совершенствоваться, то можешь выйти вперёд за счёт как раз таких, у которых учёба и проч
[21:27:11] fuzzy: как минмум
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[23:12:28] py_two: fuzzy: плохо, что не там не сколько пайтон нужен, сколько яваскрипт)
[23:12:41] py_two: сам по себе питон не особо сложен.
[23:17:53] fuzzy: "там" не питон нужен, а джаваскрипт?
[23:17:57] fuzzy: может ты не там смотришь?
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[23:26:13] py_two: fuzzy: так или иначе в продакшене есть всегда событийные вещи
[23:26:22] py_two: которые решаются не django
[23:26:34] py_two: а ajax
[23:27:50] py_two: fuzzy: короче. Я не хочу умничать т.к ты знаешь уровень моих "знаний" :)
[23:27:56] fuzzy: "не django, а ajax"
[23:28:06] fuzzy: можно на цитаты
[23:28:11] fuzzy: py_two: ты не прав
[23:28:16] fuzzy: ты зря себя ограничиваешь
[23:28:21] fuzzy: питон - намного шире веба
[23:28:41] fuzzy: есть куча мест, где про аяксы не слышали и джаваскриптов нет
[23:28:42] py_two: веб обширен. Поверх django с python еще нужно знать много чего. К примеру алхимию, js, nosql
[23:28:54] py_two: чтобы зарабатывать не на булочку, а достойно
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