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[04:56:49] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[05:27:00] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[06:38:44] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[12:58:57] gigimon: чуваки, ни у кого нет ссылки (а то не могу нагуглить), на объяснение, как в list работает __contains__?
[12:59:07] gigimon: он у каждого своего объекта выполняет __eq__ ?
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[13:06:00] fuzzy: http://stackoverflow.com/a/2559113 ?
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[13:06:26] fuzzy: главное не забыть изменить и __hash__ вместе с __eq__
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[13:46:00] gigimon: fuzzy: оно, да. не нагуглил :(
[13:46:39] gigimon: fuzzy: значит я верно думал, про то, что список юзает __eq__
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[13:47:29] fuzzy: проверь :)
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[13:49:10] gigimon: только я не пойму, а когда происходит сравнение через hash?
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[13:52:51] fuzzy: в словаре
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[14:49:59] foob: всем привет. есть апи вк с его ограничением 1 запрос в секунду и очередь задач celery на которой эти запросы я хочу организовать, запросы происходят при логине на сайт, надо не допустить образование толкучки. так вот, запрос лучше создавать по факту и делать какой-то лок, например флаг в редисе, или сделать периодическую задачу, которая будет раз в секунду запускаться и если лока нет -- тянуть данные? как вообще лучше соорудить такое ограничение, например?
[14:50:21] foob: тоесть таск а не запрос, но, думаю, вы поняли
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[14:52:23] foob: не будет ли оверхедом периодик таск с таймдельтой 1 секунда, запускаются ли новые таски если предыдущий не закончился
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[15:39:37] InPython: Привет раки
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[15:39:59] gigimon: бывают же идиоты
[15:40:59] aries.ua: решил заделится :)

*из разговора с разработчиком о сайтостроении
ххх: не моё это
ххх: хочу могилы копать
ххх: всегда понятное ТЗ и все молчат
ххх: и не заставят перекапывать, когда уже закопаешь
ххх: типа заказчик решил внести незначительные изменения в проект
ххх: тапки не белые, а зелёные одеть
ххх: и трусы в горошек
ххх: и ваще не того закопал
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[15:44:49] λ: (14:39:37) InPython: Привет раки
(14:39:49) InPython вышел из комнаты.
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[15:45:00] λ: что значит раки ?
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[15:52:39] gigimon: это школоло дота слэнг
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[16:09:12] InPython: ой, я случайно
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[16:15:31] InPython: кто до джанги работал с php фреймворками?
[16:16:52] aries.ua: я
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[16:17:15] aries.ua: но учти - пых пых считаю просто гавном и днищем ИМХО.
[16:17:31] InPython: да все ок, я тоже так считаю
[16:18:45] InPython: джанго на много сложнее yii и symfony?
[16:19:05] aries.ua: намного проще и понятнее
[16:19:16] aries.ua: и ваще я щас от торнадо прусь :)
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[16:19:55] InPython: питон ооп норм поддерживает?
[16:20:37] aries.ua: питон и есть OOП
[16:21:07] emese: я до питона работал с симфони
[16:21:12] emese: было очень сложно переучиваться
[16:21:14] emese: очень
[16:21:19] emese: питон очень плохо поддерживает ООП
[16:21:26] emese: Джава замечательно поддерживает
[16:21:38] emese: и писать на джаве легче
[16:22:10] emese: такие пироги
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[16:23:01] aries.ua: emese: ты откуда прилетел? Обоснуй плохую поддержку ООП в питоне. Может я чего не знаю.
[16:23:10] InPython: это сарказм был?
[16:23:32] InPython: ответьте нормально плиз
[16:24:20] emese: InPython: почему сарказм?
[16:24:36] levsha: сходу можно вспомнить питоновую пародию на private/protected методы
[16:25:28] InPython: ну да. не много напрягает что нету модификаторов доступа как в джавоньке и пхп
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[16:27:01] aries.ua: и шо? Это так напрягает? Меня это аще не парит. По моему даже и проще. Не забиваешь голову фигней
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[16:27:57] InPython: хз, нужно пробовать
[16:28:07] InPython: всем спасибо
[16:28:23] InPython: и в начале я написал на в ту комнату)
[16:29:03] aries.ua: "на" читать как "не"?
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[16:30:50] levsha: гм, я думал вопрос был о плохой поддержке, а не о "напрягает или нет"
[16:31:12] InPython: ну и про поддержку тоже
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[16:32:27] InPython: так и еще вопрос
[16:32:35] levsha: а лично меня напрягает, например, что a.somevla = 10 просто молча создаст пропертю somevla, и я потом буду долго искать в чем же ошибка, что я, оказывается просто очепятался при написании a.someval
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[16:32:46] InPython: я планирую в джанге использовать питон3
[16:32:52] InPython: это норм?
[16:35:54] levsha: или напрягает, что если я по аналогии с if f.closed напишу if f.isatty , то у меня просто тупо всегда будет True, потому что это ж нужно помнить, что closed это атрибут, а isatty это метод
[16:35:57] slav0nic: для 3 я бы взял пирамиду
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[16:37:46] InPython: не, мне нужно норм русскоязычное комьюнити
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[16:39:33] gigimon: бери
[16:39:35] gigimon: че уж
[16:40:39] InPython: а есть в Украине хостинги которые поддерживают джанго и питон3?
[16:41:08] levsha: хотеть хостинг в Украине уже само по себе странно
[16:42:09] aries.ua: купи сервер и будет счастье. Сейчас сервера стоят смешные деньги.
[16:42:12] InPython: почему странно? клиенты с украины, и хотят чтобы площадка с сайтом была в украине
[16:42:23] InPython: вдс всмысле?
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[16:43:32] levsha: клиенты хотят, чтоб сайт работал быстро, а не чтобы "площадка бс сайтом была в Украине"
[16:44:54] InPython: физическое таргетирование сервера на выдачу влияет
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[16:47:01] levsha: ой умно то как
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[16:47:40] InPython: причем здесь умно, это желание заказчика
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[16:48:14] levsha: заказчик далеко не всегда хочет именно того, что он говорит
[16:48:23] levsha: Кстати это заказчик так заумно закрутил?
[16:49:02] InPython: угу
[16:49:15] InPython: у них там свои сео-консультанты
[16:49:38] levsha: а, ну да. Только хотел сказать, что небось сеошники его научили таким словам
[16:50:44] InPython: ну вообщем попробую визитку с каталогом для своих нужд сделать, а там видно будет
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[16:50:52] InPython: большое спасибо, всем
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[17:17:08] InPython: а что можете сказать про раилс?
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[17:25:55] Tony: странно это спрашивать на канале про питон
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[17:32:40] InPython: но все же)
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[17:55:57] aries.ua: А мне рельсы не пошли :(
[17:56:14] aries.ua: да и они не такие производительные
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[19:22:26] opka: а как лучше вставить пробел?
s = "371.72MB"
t = s[:-2] + " " + s[-2:]
[19:22:44] opka: как-то некошерно имхо
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[19:33:46] fuzzy: t = s.replace('MB', ' MB') ?
[19:35:08] fuzzy: ну, или если у тебя мало проблем: t = re.sub(r'([.\d]+)(.*)', r'\1 \2', s)
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[19:53:30] λ: http://i.imgur.com/bzYs3Kx.png а можно сделать что-бы не было нижних запросов ?
[19:53:35] λ: только первый
[19:54:14] fuzzy: теоретически - да
[19:54:25] fuzzy: можно сделать, чтобы нижние начинали грузиться раньше, чем верхний закончится
[19:54:35] λ: < Expires: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 15:50:13 GMT
< Cache-Control: max-age=864000
это заголовки nginx
[19:55:10] λ: fuzzy: ну там же 304 зачем браузер вообще делает запрос ?
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[19:55:52] fuzzy: значит что-то не работает
[19:56:02] fuzzy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il4swGfTOSM < тут про скорость загрузки страниц интересно
[19:56:25] λ: fuzzy: не работает у меня в браузере ?
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[19:57:01] fuzzy: не. во всей этой системе :)
[19:57:01] λ: я правильно понял что Cache-Control говорит не обновлять ничего
[19:57:09] fuzzy: я бы тоже так понял
[19:57:13] fuzzy: у меня такие же заголовки
[19:57:15] fuzzy: и тоже тянет
[19:57:51] λ: fuzzy: то что надо сделать что-бы это пофиксить ?
[19:58:05] fuzzy: подожди, я ищу..
[19:58:10] λ: написать в разработчикам Chrome
[19:58:13] λ: ?
[19:58:36] fuzzy: вряд ли
[19:58:49] fuzzy: может сервер неправильно отдаёт заголовки
[19:58:56] λ: <img async src="myimage.jpg" />
[19:59:09] λ: ты про это говорил ?
[20:00:02] fuzzy: нет, вряд ли
[20:00:19] fuzzy: ну там на 40 минут доклад о том, как делать, чтобы страницы загружались быстрее
[20:01:44] fuzzy: ага...
[20:01:47] fuzzy: http://www.mobify.com/blog/beginners-guide-to-http-cache-headers/
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[20:02:31] fuzzy: а, гм
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[20:06:57] fuzzy: http://stackoverflow.com/a/10176965 вот
[20:07:02] fuzzy: works as intended, оказывается
[20:09:24] λ: fuzzy: это правда что в google hangout можно присоединится к чужому экрану и выполнять там разные действия ? как в тимвивер
[20:09:49] fuzzy: я не уверен, что тебе ответить...
[20:10:01] fuzzy: да
[20:10:04] fuzzy: https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1660627?hl=en
[20:10:16] fuzzy: можно шарить весь рабочий стол, или одно окно
[20:11:05] λ: fuzzy: я не про это. я хочу человеку помочь с настройкой софта
[20:11:35] fuzzy: да, может позвонить друг-другу, и он сможет расшарить тебе свой рабочий стол
[20:11:51] fuzzy: *можете
[20:12:00] λ: fuzzy: ясно. может попробуем ?
[20:12:21] fuzzy: ну давай...
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[21:12:41] λ: gentoo@conference.jabber.ru: ты глючный
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[21:44:47] λ: вот узнал сегодня про ramfs. а что можно ускорить на рабочем компьютере, а не на сервере как в примере?
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[21:48:51] λ: было бы круто туда пихнуть пайчарм а затем синхронизировать когда закончил работу :-D
[21:50:18] λ: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_drive вот примерно то что я хочу
[21:50:58] λ: бля
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[23:05:35] gigimon: чувак с лямбдой
[23:05:40] gigimon: купи себе ссд
[23:05:44] gigimon: и не извращайся
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[23:20:18] slav0nic: у амд есть для винды рамдиск если чё
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[23:34:34] gentoo@conference.jabber.ru: λ: десктоп это 5 запущенных приложений. Всё работает прекрасно даже на гектаре озу
[23:35:01] gentoo@conference.jabber.ru: у меня 4гб рам, занято постоянно не более 30%
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[23:36:19] λ: gentoo@conference.jabber.ru: что у тебя с инетом ?
[23:36:31] gigimon: λ ssd купи
[23:36:38] λ: я видел
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[23:36:52] λ: куплю но не сейчас :(
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[23:39:01] λ: как послать passwd и установить пароль "1" ?
[23:39:47] gentoo@conference.jabber.ru: λ: а что у вас с жаббер клиентом ? Показывает ушедших пришедших людей в конференции ?:)
[23:39:54] λ: да
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[23:41:04] λ: Повторите ввод нового пароля UNIX:
Выберите пароль большей длины
Введите новый пароль UNIX:
[23:41:12] λ: хуле оно такое умное
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[23:59:22] opka: fuzzy: про реплейс тоже вариант, но может быть KB, MB, GB, и может еще что-то :)