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[05:58:54] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[06:49:56] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[08:27:43] xryun: Доброго.Напомните-как кодировать русские буквы в последовательность вида "%82%d0%b0"
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[08:34:57] ambush: xryun, берёшь юникодное значение, перед ним ставишь пробел
[08:38:58] ambush: xryun, "%{code}".format(code=ord(u"ф"))
[08:40:02] ambush: хм, странно
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[08:45:23] xryun: ну да
[08:46:44] ambush: xryun, в общем, это обычная esc-последовательность
[08:46:51] ambush: надо только кодировку знать
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[08:49:03] xryun: все проще)
[08:49:27] xryun: >>> import urllib
>>> urllib.quote('Тест')
Out[25]: '%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82'
[08:49:28] emese: xryun: urllib.quote
[08:49:39] emese: хайв
[08:49:41] xryun: emese, угу.
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quote(element.encode('utf-8'))
[12:23:11] xryun: но не напрямую самособой)
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[12:23:35] fuzzy: так - хорошо.
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[20:28:11] remo: Интересно, а такой подход к работе нормальный ? Язык программирования с++. Тебе дают тз, ты его разбиваешь на три части. Делаешь первую часть - выгружаешь на битбакет. Работодатель заходит, инспектирует код. Говорит что переписать и что ему не нравится. После всех исправлений тебе платят шекели. И так на каждом этапе.
Я работодателю говорю: я делаю бинарник, устраиваю тесты оного, вы со своего серва будете видеть что моя поделка работает. После этого вы мне платите, я выгружаю сорсы и вы их инспектируете. Потом вы говорите что переписать - я переписываю. И так каждый этап
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[20:29:38] remo: в случае как хотят работодатели - очень легко устроить кидняк с их стороны
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[20:32:20] remo: выгрузил код - тебя удалили со скайпа. На имейл не отвечают. Код при них, который кстати работоспособный
[20:32:48] remo: потом еще найти 2 таких же лоха, которые выполнят 2\3 и 3\3 кода
[20:33:55] remo: я это пишу работодателю - он говорит: с таким уровнем даверия нельзя написать этот продукт
[20:34:44] remo: я офигеваю с людей.
[20:35:42] remo: fuzzy: твоё мнение ?
[20:37:14] fuzzy: если съезжает на уровень доверия- хочет кинуть
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[20:37:24] fuzzy: сначала результат, потом деньги - нормально
[20:37:36] fuzzy: только можно делить мельче, чем на три части
[20:38:19] fuzzy: по частям работы - типа сначала дизайн, прототип и сколько ты на него времени планируешь занять
[20:38:32] fuzzy: в идеале, например, по неделе
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[20:38:41] fuzzy: хотя можно и платить вперёд - тоже нормально
[20:38:47] remo: fuzzy: ну результат можно промониторить и без сорсов. Сорсы - это работоспособная часть кода, время потраченное мной на его реализацию.
[20:38:49] fuzzy: раз нужен "такой уровень доверия"
[20:39:24] fuzzy: так а что, платить вперёд не хочет?
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[20:40:10] remo: fuzzy: нет. И уже нашли лоха в сапожках резиновых, который согласился на их условия
[20:40:31] remo: причина отказа мне - как раз в вопросе оплаты
[20:40:40] fuzzy: считай тебе повезло
[20:40:52] remo: fuzzy: видимо да
[20:40:58] fuzzy: вообще - договор
[20:41:03] fuzzy: с подписями/печатями
[20:41:13] fuzzy: какой ещё уровень доверия?
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[20:42:44] remo: fuzzy: они с самого начала сказали, что договора перестали заключать ибо это неэффективно)
[20:43:39] fuzzy: если все выполняют условия - эффективно
[20:44:07] fuzzy: то, что они перестали - это не значит, что ты должен им доверять
[20:44:30] fuzzy: ну придумай, сколько ты им времени можешь подарить иначе
[20:44:39] fuzzy: неделю например - понедельно оплату бери
[20:44:46] fuzzy: зависит же от ситуации
[20:44:52] remo: fuzzy: короче это кидняк практически на 100%. Стоит ли это прокомментировать на сайте фриланса ?
[20:45:13] fuzzy: поищи отзывы
[20:45:24] remo: fuzzy: я не готов подарить кому-то даже день, а не то что неделю
[20:45:24] fuzzy: "практически на 100%" - ничего не значит
[20:45:36] fuzzy: лол, жадина
[20:47:49] remo: fuzzy: да обжигался уже несколько раз
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[20:53:01] remo: fuzzy: я им вообще предлагал так: я делаю skeleton проекта с минимальным функционалом. Выгружаю в репу. Вы смотрите код и говорите что не нравится. Потом я поэтапно выполняю части заданий, мы их тестируем. На стороне сервера вы мониторите что всё отгружается в клиент. Потом оплата, потом выгрузка кода в репу, инспекция, дописывание, переход к новой части задания
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[20:55:07] fuzzy: Skeleton тоже часть
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[21:56:36] remo: fuzzy: скелетон можно сделать максимум за 3-5 часов
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[22:05:57] fuzzy: так ты ж ничего не готов подарить
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[22:22:34] remo: fuzzy: тут я немного приврал. Готов был подарить 3-5 часов
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[22:23:08] remo: fuzzy: И скелетон в придачу. Но, им же не нужен скелетон в подарок. Им бы код с функционалом готовым
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[22:24:41] fuzzy: хз. я бы брал деньги за потраченное время
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[23:08:40] gigimon: хм
[23:08:44] gigimon: remo, это кто раньше был?
[23:09:17] remo: gigimon: секрет)
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[23:12:22] remo: gigimon: надо участвовать в жизни канала, чтобы знать кто в кого ребрендился)
[23:12:47] gigimon: я всегда слабо понимал, зачем кто-то переименовывается
[23:14:55] remo: gigimon: тебе нравился ник py_two ?
[23:15:10] gigimon: да мне всеравно, вот честно, мой тоже идиотский)
[23:15:28] gigimon: но гм, 1. мне лень 2. потом объссняй кто есть кто (:
[23:16:50] remo: gigimon: когда я пришел на канал - поставил первый пришедший на ум ник. Потом было лениво что-то менять. Но когда я понял, что я тут просижу не один год - тогда подумал о смене никнейма на более-менее нормальный
[23:17:08] gigimon: )
[23:17:10] gigimon: окок
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[23:25:09] remo: gigimon: http://otvet.mail.ru/question/28754554
[23:26:04] gigimon: видел
[23:26:37] remo: gigimon: так что твой ник не такой уже и плохой и идиотский;)
[23:26:46] gigimon: ну я же не гегемон ;)
[23:26:52] gigimon: гегемония
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