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[00:46:06] solomon.vz: Ребят доброй ночи, начал изучать питон, немного непонятно наследование, обьясните поподробней пожалуйста, если не сложно. Например есть гипотетический класс cars он содержит в себе объекты, например переменные со строковыми значениями. для вызове объектов из класса как я понял можно воспользоваться Class.имяпеременной и Class(Имяпеременной). Понял я очень криво, но очень пытаюсь и хочу разобраться. print Class(Имяпеременной) не работает. =) В общем вопрос какая разница между class.переменная и class(имяпеременной)? Если можно поподробней. Заранее спасибо!
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[00:48:39] singularity: solomon.vz: class(имяпеременной) <= это созданя экземрляра
[00:48:53] singularity: я пьян :)
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[00:51:29] singularity: есть класс Cars
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[00:52:29] singularity: а есть еще объекты от этого класса
bmw_object = Cars( brand="BMW" )
[00:52:48] gigimon: инстансы класса
[00:52:56] gigimon: solomon.vz: читай же туториал дальше
[00:53:03] singularity: mersedes_object = Cars( brand="Mersedes" )
[00:53:06] solomon.vz: lf xbnf.)
[00:53:25] solomon.vz: да читаю =) и тутуриал и пару учебников, но немного туго получается)
[00:54:10] Сволота: solomon.vz: начни решать реальные прикладные задачи
[00:54:15] singularity: если хочешь сделать
mersedes_object()
то надо переопределить спец метод (тот что с подчеркиваниями)
[00:54:22] Сволота: а теория подождёт
[00:54:26] gigimon: далеко человека отправляешь
[00:54:51] gigimon: он не шибко понял, что такое класс и что такое инстанс класса
[00:54:57] singularity: машинки это какой-то маразм
[00:55:18] Сволота: класс это такая функция с дополнительными возможностями
[00:55:25] singularity: сложно придумать нормальную задачу где и ООП не притянуто за уши и понятно новичку
[00:56:05] Сволота: вот и я о том что нефих заморачиваться ООП, на практике оно не к чему
[00:56:31] singularity: Сволота: свойства у функции идут в разрез с моим восприятием мира
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[00:57:10] Сволота: singularity: да... надо менять восприятие
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[00:57:34] solomon.vz: да я как бе и так пытаюсь решать реальную прикладную задачу) установил flask есть задача сделать сайт на нем, с html и css знаком, шаблон уже готов, flask установлен, шаблон натянут, flask-admin установлен теперь осталось написать модули админки, вот и пытаюсь что то выучить и паралельно что то написать =))) Пока просто в голове каша полная)
[00:57:41] singularity: Сволота: я про то что например в математике это нифига не так
[00:57:57] singularity: хотя у вас в JS по своему устроенно
[00:57:58] Сволота: но в итоге получится что питон не нужен, а жабоскрипт рулит
[00:58:14] singularity: свое издания томика фен-шуя
[00:58:31] singularity: Сволота: ну ждем итога...
[00:58:52] Сволота: только в питоне ВНЕЗАПНО точно так же как и в жабоскрипте
[00:58:59] singularity: што ?
[00:59:12] singularity: можно пример кода
[00:59:18] Сволота: в функции можно добавлять поля
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[01:01:13] singularity: Сволота: ну это ж из-за того что в питоне все объект
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[01:01:25] singularity: и не красиво так делать
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[01:02:33] solomon.vz: поясните плиз еще разок т.е скобки (переменная) используются для присванивания атрибутов к объекту а class.переменная для вызова этой переменной из объекта?
[01:03:00] singularity: нет
[01:03:23] Сволота: solomon.vz: скобки - вызов функции, в данном случае функция это конструктор класса
[01:03:35] singularity: object.field = "data" - присвоить
[01:03:49] singularity: print object.field
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[01:04:08] solomon.vz: это понятно)
[01:04:12] singularity: object.field - вернет присвоенное значания
[01:04:42] solomon.vz: а вот со скобочками еще не очень тогда въехал(
[01:04:49] Сволота: прост аргументы функций могут быть проименованы и `=` это уточнение имени передаваемого аргумента
[01:05:00] solomon.vz: print я уже попробовал в интерпритаторе)
[01:05:44] Сволота: не заморачивайся с классами, читай про функции
[01:05:45] solomon.vz: получается скобочки используются только с функциями?
[01:05:56] Сволота: у классов поведение идентично
[01:06:11] solomon.vz: я про все читаю, по нескольку раз )))) местами просто непонятно)
[01:06:17] gigimon: Сволота: кстати, про добавление аттрибутов функциям, а из самой функции к ним подступиться можно?
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[01:07:29] Сволота: gigimon: ты имеешь ввиду наличие ранее имевшего место arguments.callee из жабоскрипта?
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[01:07:55] Сволота: поидее аналог должен быть
[01:08:11] gigimon: Сволота: аналогию с js мне провести тяжело…. Ну вот есть функция в питоне: def test(): pass, ниже мы можем сделать a = test; a.bla = 'foo'
[01:08:24] gigimon: вот из test() при вызове добраться до bla можно?
[01:08:40] Сволота: вот это не уточнял
[01:09:03] gigimon: ок
[01:09:10] Сволота: в жабоскрипте такую возможность отменили, предлагают замыкать
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[01:09:42] gigimon: да, можно
[01:09:56] gigimon: имя_фугкции.имя_аттрибута
[01:10:06] Сволота: в питоне такие уродские лямбды, что замыкать непросто
[01:10:07] gigimon: впринципе логично, но для чего использовать, я не сильно понимаю
[01:10:10] gigimon: )
[01:10:18] gigimon: ну в питоне лямбды это так, для слова
[01:12:06] Сволота: а любая объявленая функция доступна сама себе по имени?
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[01:13:00] Сволота: ато в жабоскрипте надо её в скобки брать или замыкать чтобы иметь такой доступ
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[01:13:47] Сволота: ведь функции можно присвоить другое значение и тогда рекурсия будет работать не так
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[01:17:54] singularity: Сволота: а мне нравится думать про классы как про словари которые умеет удобные методы изменять свое состояние
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[01:18:08] singularity: имеют
[01:18:16] singularity: чтобы
[01:19:13] Сволота: питоновские классы ничем не отличаются от пары функция+прототип из другого известного языка
[01:19:41] solomon.vz: ребят а есть в питоне аналог пхпшного цикла foreach?
[01:19:52] Сволота: map
[01:20:01] solomon.vz: пасиб, щас гляну
[01:20:18] Сволота: each тоже вроде есть
[01:20:45] Сволота: давно питоном не баловался, уже забывать начал
[01:20:54] solomon.vz: хе)
[01:20:56] singularity: что делает each ?
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[01:22:08] Сволота: а не
[01:22:17] Сволота: dir(list)
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[01:23:54] singularity: solomon.vz: ты наверно хочешь обходить словарь ?
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[01:26:42] solomon.vz: мне кажется гугл и эксперименты мне помогут)
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[01:26:58] singularity: c вебсервера обычно передают html
[01:27:00] solomon.vz: если совсем будет туго спрошу тут))))) заранее пасибо)
[01:27:14] singularity: не понятно что ты имел в виду
[01:27:16] solomon.vz: ну, там не обычная ситуация
[01:27:25] singularity: json ?
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[01:27:29] solomon.vz: ога
[01:28:12] singularity: solomon.vz: а в чем проблема ? вполне стандартно
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[01:28:42] singularity: solomon.vz: http://docs.python.org/2/library/json.html
[01:29:40] solomon.vz: пасибе) вникаю(
[01:29:46] solomon.vz: )*
[01:29:53] singularity: solomon.vz: а чем ты в базу ходишь? алхимиею ?
[01:30:32] solomon.vz: угу, но до нее еще не добрался )
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[01:31:23] singularity: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13081532/how-to-return-json-using-flask-web-framework

http://flask.pocoo.org/snippets/83/

http://flask.pocoo.org/docs/patterns/jquery/
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[10:46:37] MAVr is now — Уважаемые пассажиры! Убедительно просим вас не аплодировать экипажу до полной остановки самолета. Спасибо!
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[11:47:24] Сволота: напомните, через ыкзепшоны можно любое значение возвращать или только соответствующее некоторым условиям?
[11:48:53] singularity: через ексепшоны можно что-то возвращать ?
[11:49:28] Сволота: а для чего же они есчё?
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[13:06:20] gigimon: Сволота: ну так в except же можно любой return поставить
[13:06:23] gigimon: или ты через raise?
[13:06:51] gigimon: а вот рейзить можно только наследника baseexception или old-style
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[13:08:25] Сволота: n
[13:08:39] Сволота: тоесть надо делать обёртку?
[13:08:45] gigimon: над чем?
[13:09:01] gigimon: делай просто return
[13:09:37] Сволота: мне нужен raise вместо return
[13:10:00] gigimon: old-style классы юзай или наследуй свой класс от BaseException и его
[13:11:10] Сволота: немного неудобно получается, в js проще
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[13:47:09] ambush: чуваки, кто с turbogears работал, как оно? )
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[13:49:16] singularity: ambush: а почему ты спрашиваешь ?
[13:49:28] singularity: сходи на фриноду спроси, чо
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[13:49:50] ambush: singularity, предлагают в проект вписаться на нём
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[13:53:52] singularity: Ave Fuzzy !
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[13:54:14] slav0nic: ambush, гавно)
[13:54:57] slav0nic: пирамида есть, а послдений тг не ясно дял чего, старый неакутален и на cherrypy, а его плюшки какие-то не такие
[13:54:58] fuzzy: Сволота: свой класс иксепшна + raise MyException(args)
[13:55:02] fuzzy: делов то?
[13:55:17] ambush: slav0nic, а тг разве не на пирамиде?
[13:55:48] ambush: на пилонах, которые же включают в себя пирамиду..
[13:55:51] ambush: "Состоит из нескольких WSGI компонентов, таких как Pylons,"
[13:56:40] slav0nic: пилонов в 2.3 уже и нет
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[14:02:04] slav0nic: тг - архаизм, это на тему "как оно"
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[17:09:21] aries.ua: Народ, кто работал с торнадо, как вытащить такой параметр из пост запроса

'params[test]': ['test']
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[18:22:14] fuzzy: aries.ua: self.get_arugments('params[test]') наверно?
[18:24:26] aries.ua: имя в [ ] неизвестно :(
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[18:37:53] fuzzy: тогда открой исходник get_argument() и посмотри, откуда он берёт значения и как ис раскодирует
[18:37:56] fuzzy: потом адаптируй :)
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[19:00:28] aries.ua: посмотреть, то я посмотрел. Просто думал, что может есть какие нить механизмы, что бы самому не лисапедировать
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