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[07:31:57] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[10:49:20] CaufMAN : Я что-то не нашел на форуме раздела по обсуждению сайта. Где можно отписаться по этому поводу?
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[13:17:56] slav0nic: CaufMan, http://python.su/forum/topic/5072/ но она старая, если хочешь - создай новую тему
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[14:58:27] singularity: о новый халявный хостинг
[14:59:08] singularity: http://abuntu.net/
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[15:21:32] yugo-salem: This service is a beta version of the Abuntu. Your account will be available for 33 days. After it will be automatically deleted.
[15:22:29] yugo-salem: тоже спаманули седня утром
[15:24:49] singularity: интересно как им пользоваться под виндовс ?
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[15:41:58] CaufMAN : singularity, что за либа? Не для изображений?
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[15:57:12] CaufMAN : singularity, тоже нихрена не ставились. Ни пил, ни пиллоу
[15:57:14] CaufMAN : singularity, какой питон? Третий?
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[16:00:48] singularity: та не у них нет компилятора походу
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[16:25:48] CaufMAN : Мда... Как то совсем печально в конфе :-( думал хоть тут будет живее, нежели на сайте и форуме.
[16:26:18] singularity: CaufMAN : а что ты хотел ? пляски и песни ?
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[16:47:14] yugo-salem: джва года назад бодрее было
[16:47:17] yugo-salem: и людей больше было
[16:47:34] yugo-salem: а сейчас что не спросишь даже ответить никто не может
[16:48:26] emese: спрашивай на стековерфлоу
[16:48:42] emese: (твой к.о.)
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[16:49:45] yugo-salem: ко, а зачем тогда конфа?
[16:50:27] yugo-salem: чтобы в ней бесцельно сидеть и молчать?
[16:50:32] emese: я думал ты про форум
[16:50:37] emese: я не знаю зачем тот форум
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[17:12:17] CaufMAN : Форум затем, что русским людям, слабо знающим английский, надо где-то задавать вопросы.
[17:13:51] emese: вот поэтому он все менее и менее бодр, надо думать
русских людей, слабо знающих английский, становится в отрасли меньше
[17:13:54] CaufMAN : А вообще я считаю, что надо раздел вики наполнять. Чтоб новички сами там информацию читали.
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[17:16:01] CaufMAN : emese, "в отрасли" таких вообще быть не должно. Открою тебе маленький секрет. Программист настоящий сам найдет ответ. А вот школьники, студенты, офисные работники,занимающиеся решением текущих практических задач, порой не знают где искать ответ
[17:18:20] emese: неплохая версия
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[17:22:21] CaufMAN : emese, в смысле?
[17:22:30] emese: в смысле похоже на правду
[17:25:20] CaufMAN : Естественно. Сам офисный работник. :-) использую питон для автоматизации тупых вещей, типа копирования одного отчета в другой. И расчеты
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[17:29:03] emese: автоматизация в каждый дом
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[17:32:21] yugo-salem: Открою тебе маленький секрет. Человек образованный никогда не будет судить категорично о чем-то. А вот школьники, студенты, офисные работники,занимающиеся решением текущих практических задач, порой делают громкие заявления
[17:32:50] yugo-salem: (в порядке шутки)
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[17:37:52] CaufMAN : yugo-salem, то есть ты считаешь, что вопросы о том, как бороться с кодировкой обычно бородатые программисты задают? :-D
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[17:43:39] yugo-salem: предпочитаю обходиться без стереотипов
[17:43:56] yugo-salem: а про вопросы с кодировками вообще не удачный пример
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[17:44:31] yugo-salem: вот есть такой Армин и у него обычно много вопрос на тему как бороться с кодировками в 3k
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[17:47:33] CaufMAN : Сижу на форуме. Читаю раздел о инструментах разработки, в частности о Eric. Цитата: Да потому, что никто его не использует, и видимо не зря. Сразу видно, настоящий программист! Ничего категоричного :-D но не к этому. Откуда такое отношение к этому idea? Ведь очень неплохая вещь. ПользуЮ русскую версию под виндой уже более полугода, и очень ею доволен. Пробовал pycharm, и как то не вставило...
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[18:16:58] CaufMAN : Ау
[18:17:10] CaufMAN : yugo-salem,
[18:17:26] yugo-salem: ?
[18:17:46] CaufMAN : yugo-salem, читай выше, про эрика
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[18:18:27] yugo-salem: мне как-то пофиг откуда такое отношение к нему
[18:20:05] yugo-salem: пользовался им пока на пичарм не пересел.
[18:21:47] CaufMAN : yugo-salem, и чем оно лучше?
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[18:24:37] yugo-salem: на вкус и цвет все карандаши разные
[18:25:05] yugo-salem: есть люди которым ты не объяснишь чем ide лучше вима
[18:25:14] yugo-salem: это тема специальной олимпиады
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[19:58:07] CaufMAN : yugo-salem, на счет vim и emacs - это точно. Уже несколько раз нарывался на подобных товарищей
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[19:59:49] yugo-salem: это вполне адекватные камрады
[20:00:35] yugo-salem: по сути я бы тоже очень хотел в одном редакторе писать на всем подряд комфортно
[20:01:00] yugo-salem: но времени не хватает освоить до полностью комфортного уровня
[20:01:17] yugo-salem: и в итоге пока под каждый язык отдельная иде
[20:02:01] Tony: я никак не пойму зачем нужны ide
[20:02:04] Tony: есть же vim
[20:02:40] CaufMAN : Tony, начинается...
[20:03:43] Tony: я когда-то очень давно использовал всякие иде, эклипсы, хуипсы, в итоге с 2007 года vim, иногда появляется что-то новое пытаюсь юзать, потом бросаю и опять vim
[20:04:38] yugo-salem: а автокомплит, интроспекция у тебя норм работают?
[20:04:48] Tony: автокомплит норм
[20:04:54] yugo-salem: можно скрин открытого проекта в работе? :)
[20:04:58] Tony: по сути больше ничего и не надо
[20:05:57] CaufMAN : Tony, мне еще с проектами работать удобно
[20:06:19] CaufMAN : Tony, раскраска кода есть?
[20:06:47] Tony: конечно есть
[20:07:06] Tony: я долго парился всякие костыли для проектов городил, потом понял что и это не надо
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[20:08:00] remo: Tony: а я работаю с сессиями, а не проектами
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[20:10:29] Tony: CaufMAN , http://tony.su/swill/gvim.png
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[20:13:34] CaufMAN : Tony, выглядит неплохо. Надо будет попробовать
[20:13:49] Tony: CaufMAN , пройди один раз vimtutor сразу "раздуплишься"
[20:14:21] CaufMAN : Tony, да и вообще надо переходить с винды на линухи
[20:14:34] Tony: я давно хочу для вима плагинчик один написать да времени все нет, юзабилити серьезно увеличит
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[20:16:11] CaufMAN : Tony, что за плагин?
[20:16:28] Tony: remo, сессии с вимом?
[20:17:01] Tony: CaufMAN , чтобы вместе с текущим номером строки отображались строки вверх и вниз относительно текущей строки
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[20:17:23] Tony: такой плагин вроде был, но он полностью заменял нумерацию строк, мне не нравится такое
[20:17:46] CaufMAN : Tony, кажется понял... А такое вообще зачем нужно?
[20:17:54] Tony: в виме очень удобно
[20:18:09] Tony: пока не поюзаешь вим не поймешь
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[20:20:33] Tony: :set rnu лол
[20:20:39] Tony: давно же я смотрел этот плагин
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[20:22:16] remo: Tony: да, sessionman
[20:22:46] CaufMAN : Tony, не для ввода ли клавиатурных команд?
[20:23:06] Tony: CaufMAN , весь вим построен на вводе клавиатурных команд )
[20:23:16] Tony: просто к примеру d5 удаляет 5 строк
[20:23:32] remo: Tony: открываешь проект, Сохраняешь имя сессии. Потом по хоткею открываешь список сессий(аля проектов) и нажимаешь энтер на нужном и вуаля - все файлы проекта открыты
[20:23:35] Tony: и сразу очевидно сколько строк нужно удалить
[20:23:48] CaufMAN : Tony, я знаю. Пробовал как то emacs
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[21:20:04] CaufMAN : Проверка связи. Есть кто живой? А то меня что то выкидывает.
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[21:21:05] CaufMAN : А кто нибудь работал из питона с библиотекой xmpppy? Насколько тяжело в освоении?
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