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[01:03:43] gigimon: а на ру пайкон кто-то поедет?
[01:03:59] gigimon: а то походу из-за войны евро мой отменяется, поэтому поеду на ру
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[11:53:16] gigimon: fuzzy отменяется то, что получить немецкую визу нереально
[11:53:31] gigimon: а через польшу получается очень затратно по деньгам и по времени
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[11:54:22] levsha: гм. /me получал польскую визу в январе. Всё очень просто и достаточно дешево. Правда при условии, что находишся в Киеве :)
[11:55:06] gigimon: я не в киеве
[11:55:19] gigimon: раньше посольство было в севастополе, теперь нету
[11:55:30] gigimon: самолетом в киев только через москву - что дорого
[11:55:34] gigimon: а поездом могут не выпустить
[11:55:56] levsha: крымские могут не выпустить?
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[11:56:12] gigimon: угу
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[11:58:20] levsha: ну попытка не пытка. Но лучше тогда уж целиться так, чтобы один раз приехать в Киев, дождаться визы и свалить :)
[11:58:32] gigimon: 10 дней в киеве тусить?
[11:58:42] levsha: а чего бы и нет?
[11:58:54] levsha: да, я точно не скажу, но поляки вроде быстрее мне дали
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[11:58:59] gigimon: фирма не разорится на столько денег, т.к. нас планировалось ехать 5 челвоек
[11:59:13] gigimon: не, я дважды получал, ровно на 10 день оба раза было
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[11:59:36] gigimon: или на 9, во вторник подал - в четверг следующий отдали. в четверг подал - во вторник чреез неделю отдали
[11:59:40] levsha: а, хотя еще вопрос какую тебе визу надо. Я то получал туристическую одноразовую
[11:59:52] gigimon: да мне туристической одноразовой хватило б
[11:59:57] gigimon: просто очень дорого получается
[12:00:15] gigimon: в киев непонятно как и потом лететь надо через польшу обязательно до берлина
[12:00:39] levsha: а, буквально 2 недели назад греки мне дали визу в режими "в пятницу сдали документы, в среду приходите забирать"
[12:00:45] gigimon: а если пытаться немечкую получать, то нужна выписка из банка с движениями средст за 3 месяца, что из-за закрытого привата нереально
[12:00:55] gigimon: греки, они туристов манят)
[12:01:14] gigimon: хотя может в киевском посольстве польши и быстрее дают
[12:01:25] levsha: ну это да, мы туристами едем. Показали резервацию яхты и всё такое
[12:02:05] gigimon: понятно
[12:02:12] levsha: просили на полторы недели, дали единоразовый въезд, но на 30 дней пребывания
[12:02:21] gigimon: клево
[12:02:58] levsha: ну, клево будет, если я к тому времени буду работу менять. Тогда продам машину и можно будет потусить в Европе побольше
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[12:04:29] levsha: /me только вернулся с подачи документов на швейцарскую визу
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[12:07:46] fuzzy: levsha: на ирландскую подёшь уже?
[12:08:15] levsha: fuzzy: ну пока не
[12:08:19] fuzzy: а, на швейцарскую…
[12:08:27] levsha: пока ирландсая не нужна
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[12:09:29] fuzzy: швейцарская - тоже успех)
[12:09:43] levsha: у меня просто греческая с 19-го июля, а швейцарская на июнь нужна
[12:10:01] fuzzy: мне вот неделю назад голландцы дали мультивизу на год
[12:10:02] levsha: наверное следующую когда уже буду подавать, то таки буду просить мультик
[12:10:38] fuzzy: за последние два года о этого штук 6 разных получал шенгенских
[12:11:08] levsha: а Голландия в шенгене?
[12:11:11] levsha: гм, похоже что нет
[12:12:01] fuzzy: да
[12:12:24] ambush: а поляки вам что, визы не дают?
[12:12:40] ambush: нам (питер) финики дают визы миллионами, на год, на пол года пребывания
[12:12:42] ambush: шенгенэ
[12:12:58] levsha: поляки дают конечно
[12:13:10] ambush: а зачем тогда "6 виз за 2 года"?
[12:13:31] levsha: потому что для мультика нужны определенные условия, а не сразу с места
[12:13:46] levsha: вот я если в следующий раз буду к полякам идти, то буду мультик запрашивать
[12:13:50] ambush: а что за мультик?
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[12:14:05] fuzzy: ambush: у нас зависит от посольства. год назад финны дали на 7 месяцев. а потом давали один мультик на 3 месяца и две одноразовых - по билетам на самолёт
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[12:14:42] ambush: а, мультик - это кода можно несколько раз въезжать/выезжать?
[12:14:55] levsha: да
[12:15:08] ambush: и что, её как-то заработать надо, просто так не дают?
[12:15:17] levsha: неограниченное количество раз на протяжении определенного периода (например год)
[12:16:00] fuzzy: ambush: некоторые посольства дают только если есть старые визы, говорят
[12:16:15] levsha: обычно нужно или показать, что ты в последний год-два бывал в шенгенской зоне больше раза в год, или что планируешь в следующем году несколько раз поехать
[12:16:37] fuzzy: насчёт шенген-нешенген: https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/580574_10200381000306199_2056799619_n.jpg
[12:16:58] levsha: если ты бываешь там раз в год, то смысла тебе давать годовой мультик никакого
[12:17:40] ambush: а, фига себе. финики проще делают. первый раз в жизни дают визу на пол года, пребывать можешь до 3 месяцев суммарно, въезжать сколько угодно раз. а остальные разы в жизни дают визу на год, пребывать можно до полугода суммарно, мультик. только у них условие - половину времени, проведённого в шенгене, ты должен просидеть в финляндии, а то они обижаются
[12:18:27] ambush: ну есть, конечно, кто однократную визу делают, но она обычная мультик стоит тыщи две, так что особого смысла нет.
[12:18:31] levsha: по поводу не больше полугода суммарно это общие требования шенгена для такого типа виз
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[12:19:07] fuzzy: не полугода, а пол времени проведённого в шенгене
[12:19:19] fuzzy: и даже не половина, а больше, чем в любой другой стране
[12:19:21] levsha: полгода
[12:19:27] fuzzy: то есть 40%, 30%, 30% будет ок
[12:19:35] levsha: полгода в год ты можешь быть в шенгене по мультику
[12:19:53] levsha: точнее не более 3-х месяцев в любом полугодовом окне
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[12:20:25] ambush: ну да. просто у нас мультики такие просто так дают, им же выгодно, чтобы наши там деньги оставляли. а наши ездят туда очень часто, фигли 250 км и ты в еропах
[12:20:39] levsha: а по поводу пребывания именно в стране, выдавшей мультик, то обычно только хотят, чтобы целевая страна первого въезда была та, кто выдал мультик
[12:21:06] levsha: широка Россия, 250км это "фигли"
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[12:21:28] levsha: /me в Польшу в феврале своей машиной ездил. А так обычно самолетами или автобусами
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[12:33:29] emese: а как они определяют долю времени?
[12:33:58] emese: ты же не обязан им расписывать свой график как при получении обычной визы?
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[12:39:57] ambush: ну билеты там на самолёт/пароход, вот это всё
[12:40:04] ambush: не знаю, определяют как-то
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[13:02:28] fuzzy: обычно требуют билеты/подтверждение жилья
[13:02:50] emese: я думал это только для одноразовой визы
[13:02:56] emese: на финскую вроде не требуют кстати
[13:03:47] levsha: для мультика тоже требуют билеты и подтверждение жилья первой поездки. Но не всегда. Поляки, например, не хотели от меня никаких билетов (да и не было у меня их - я машиной ехал)
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[14:27:43] ambush: финики иногда спрашивают на границе, куда направляюсь, а эстонцы никогад не спрашивали
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[16:00:28] metall1c: никто не подскажет по календарю JSCal2
[16:00:38] metall1c: упорно вверх разварачивается, за пределы страницы
[16:00:43] metall1c: можно как-то вниз заставить?
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[17:27:22] metall1c: никто с BinaryField не работал?
[17:27:28] metall1c: как оттуда данные достать?
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[17:28:31] metall1c: при отладка показывает значение переменной содержащей поле:
[17:28:33] metall1c: <read-only buffer for 0x050E0048, size -1, offset 0 at 0x031EE5C0>
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[18:02:52] fuzzy: metall1c: посмотри, какие у него методы есть
[18:02:56] fuzzy: если не хочешь читать документацию
[18:03:21] metall1c: я все перерыл, на нашел, оказалось быстрее джанговский встроенный календарь приделать
[18:03:24] metall1c: он работает как надо
[18:05:27] fuzzy: .read()?
[18:05:37] metall1c: не понял?
[18:05:57] metall1c: аа
[18:06:03] metall1c: ты про бинарник
[18:06:09] metall1c: я про календарь думал речь
[18:06:17] metall1c: с календарем уже разобрался
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[18:06:37] metall1c: а с бинарником read() метод? щас попробую
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[18:07:56] metall1c: 'buffer' object has no attribute 'read'
[18:09:15] metall1c: в документации только написано, что есть теперь такое поле бинарное и все
[18:11:12] metall1c: аа
[18:15:15] metall1c: блин, не
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[21:23:10] fuzzy: а кто-то на европитон ездил/собирается?
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[23:24:13] gipermudator: о сколько питонов много
[23:24:17] gipermudator: наплодилось вас
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