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[03:26:24] : slav0nic установил(а) тему: python.su | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи в google.com | Код постить в dumpz.org | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://logs.python.su
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[10:47:07] opka: всем привет
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[10:59:37] opka: как лучше делать
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[11:01:40] opka: у меня 1 страничка, на ней две формы. Чначала видно только 1, там вводится ссылка и жмется кнопка. Если всё ок, то показывается вторая форма с кнопкой. По нажатию на кнопку я хрчу записать ссылку (которая была в форме 1) в базу. Как мне передать эту ссылку от одной формы к другой? :)
[11:01:53] opka: webapp, gae, post-запросы
[11:02:32] opka: показ форм реалищован через шаблоны, типа {% if ok %} код формы 2
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[11:06:37] opka: я могу ее рендерить в шаблон конечно, каким-то скрытым тегом
[11:07:01] opka: но переживаю, что ее можно будет подменить например :)
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[11:46:27] gigimon: opka: тебе надо ее показать? храни в сессии
[11:46:43] gigimon: а если надо показать, то в самой форме
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[11:47:36] opka: показывыать не надо, надо использовать. Хочу ее после проверки добавить в бд
[11:49:55] opka: я не хочу, чьтоб юзер мог видеть ссылку где0либо :)
[11:50:27] opka: если видишь, что можно ее изменить будет
[11:50:52] slav0nic: opka, https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/formtools/form-wizard/
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[11:55:39] opka: slav0nic: ага, в джанго всё есть :)
[11:56:18] slav0nic: в гае тоже есть джанговские формы
[11:56:32] slav0nic: если не модельные
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[12:02:12] CaufMAN is now Да, я здесь.
[12:03:06] CaufMAN: Странно, поставил pygame, все прошло без ошибок. Проверяю - все фай
[12:03:14] CaufMAN: лы на месте
[12:03:27] CaufMAN: Но получаю вот это:
In [1]: import pygame
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ImportError Traceback (most recent call last)
<ipython-input-1-4a415d16fbed> in <module>()
----> 1 import pygame

E:\python\py33\lib\site-packages\pygame\__init__.py in <module>()
93
94 #first, the "required" modules
---> 95 from pygame.base import *
96 from pygame.constants import *
97 from pygame.version import *

ImportError: DLL load failed: Не найден указанный модуль.
[12:05:20] opka: а как ставил?
[12:05:33] CaufMAN: под винду установщиком с оф. сайта
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[12:07:08] opka: а сам питон как ставил?
[12:07:54] opka: https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame/downloads попробуй отсюда да птиона 33
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[12:14:30] CaufMAN: opka: сам питон так же - установщиком под винду. Как еще то? Пути в PATH прописаны. использую данную установку уже более года
[12:14:51] CaufMAN: Ща пробую версию с битбакет
[12:15:53] fuzzy: CaufMAN: Are you sure you have got pygame for Python 2.6? The version for 2.5 wont work and produce this error msg, because the pyd file wont find the python 2.5 dll.
[12:16:24] fuzzy: это первая ссылка в гугле по "pygame base"
[12:16:35] CaufMAN: Странно, но все завелось! :) Во всяком случае import pygame трэйсбэками не срет! Странно то, что если настолько зависимо от версии релиза питона, то почему таки старые пакеты лежат на оф.сайте?
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[12:17:08] CaufMAN: fuzzy: Ага. И у меня действительно не 2.6. И не 2.5. У меня питон 3 и версия pygame под него же
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[12:30:46] CaufMAN: opka: все работает на ура. Спасибо за помощь
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[15:13:56] freemanua: парни
[15:14:03] freemanua: вопрос по алхимии))
[15:14:13] freemanua: допустим есть связь многие ко многим
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[15:15:06] freemanua: добавляю я книгу, у которой 2 автора, какая логика должна быть при добавлении в случае наличия дубликатов, например книга уже существует или один из авторов уже есть в базе?
[15:15:25] freemanua: можно на джанго пример
[15:15:31] freemanua: как там это обходится
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[15:33:04] fuzzy: это не по алхимии вопрос
[15:33:12] fuzzy: а по логике твоего приложения, скорее
[15:33:39] fuzzy: ну в общем случае - открыл транзакцию, добавил книгу, если не вылетело какого-то Primary Key Violation, то накидал авторов и закомитил
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[15:54:08] freemanua: fuzzy: вопрос намуя тогда алхимия если там нет магии как в django
[15:55:25] fuzzy: там всё есть
[15:55:32] freemanua: т.е. делаем session.query(Author('John Doe')).first(), на основе ответа думаем дальше:?
[15:55:34] freemanua: так?
[15:55:49] fuzzy: я думаю, что оно само всё разруливает
[15:56:01] fuzzy: ты себе внутри сессии строишь какие-то абстрактные модели и связи
[15:56:02] freemanua: в алхимии насколько я знаю был выбор, либо магия либо атомарно по запросам
[15:56:15] fuzzy: которые в базу не комитятся
[15:56:20] fuzzy: а потом вжик - комит
[15:56:26] freemanua: да, в самом конце коммит
[15:56:29] fuzzy: и в чём проблема?
[15:56:31] freemanua: или роллбэк
[15:56:44] freemanua: а варианта как в джанго получается вообще нет?)
[15:56:51] fuzzy: а что в джанго?
[15:56:53] fuzzy: там тоже самое
[15:56:56] fuzzy: или ты хочешь автокомит?
[15:56:56] freemanua: разве?
[15:57:26] fuzzy: там же скорее всего в алхимии есть контекст-менеджер, который когда надо сам комитит или делает ролбек
[15:57:32] fuzzy: но ты таки скажи, чего тебе не хватает
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[15:57:53] freemanua: не совсем, я хочу прочитать данные из формы, и записать их через алхимию в базу, а алхимия самаа разбирается есть ли автор и что в этом случае делать, добавлять или узнавать id
[15:59:00] freemanua: хочу не проверять руками наличие автора, чтобы было автоматом, если есть автор, узнать id, если нет, добавить его и узнать id
[15:59:10] freemanua: fuzzy: .
[15:59:36] fuzzy: думаю, алхимия всё сделает
[15:59:48] fuzzy: хотя..
[16:00:06] fuzzy: ну она должна делать всё, что делает джанга
[16:00:18] fuzzy: ладно, пойду за тебя доку читать
[16:00:42] freemanua: fuzzy: я честно вчера рыл доку с лопатой
[16:01:11] freemanua: сегодня с самого утра продолжил, примеры делаются через сессию, каждый запрос руками
[16:01:26] freemanua: http://plone.shenton.org/tech/databases/sqlalchemy-many-to-many-relations
[16:01:29] freemanua: вот так
[16:04:48] fuzzy: я думаю, там слишком много .save()
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[16:06:06] fuzzy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2546207/does-sqlalchemy-have-an-equivalent-of-djangos-get-or-create
[16:06:10] fuzzy: во ттебе ответ
[16:06:32] fuzzy: похоже, что ты хочешь get_or_create, а его нет
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[16:12:24] freemanua: fuzzy: я уже вчера это находил, алхимия дно?
[16:12:42] freemanua: не распарсил я немного этот код
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[16:12:59] freemanua: что-то алхимия слабо отличается от голого драйвера
[16:13:21] fuzzy: алхимия крутая, но в 99% джанго-случаев не нужна
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[16:15:24] freemanua: чет я не могу понять её крутости
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[16:21:02] obivan: в wtforms есть has_file?
[16:21:05] obivan: чет найти не могу
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[16:43:38] fuzzy: freemanua: для веб-приложений крутости алхимии не нужно
[16:43:42] fuzzy: возьми же уже джангу
[16:43:45] fuzzy: да выпей чаю
[16:43:50] fuzzy: ой
[16:44:29] freemanua: fuzzy: есть вакансия, много где именно алхимия нужна
[16:45:02] fuzzy: хипстеры
[16:45:11] freemanua: просто если выпадает ошибка с дубликатом записи то до rollback понятное дело не доходит
[16:45:22] singularity is now online
[16:45:45] freemanua: fuzzy: может и хипстеры, я хз
[16:46:14] fuzzy: а почему до rollback не доходит?
[16:47:27] fuzzy: если своё что-то пилить, то для начала ты уже выбираешь - тебе шашечки, или ехать. а если вакансии - то это вообще странно довольно. алхимия - это ж просто библиотека. с ней за пару дней можно разобраться
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[16:49:37] freemanua: fuzzy: пару дней давно прошли
[16:49:59] singularity: freemanua: значит ты зафейли задания.
[16:50:30] singularity: freemanua: возьми прочти документацию, а потом только пиши код.
[16:51:25] freemanua: если во время commit() вываливается Duplicate entry то код дальше не выполняется
[16:51:28] freemanua: вообще
[16:51:55] freemanua: singularity: давай пример из документации может?
[16:52:01] freemanua: я адекватного не нашел
[16:52:09] freemanua: одни хелловорлды
[16:52:18] singularity: freemanua: ты прикаливаешься?
[16:52:26] freemanua: http://igordavydenko.com/talks/kharkivpy-10/#slide-26
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[16:53:03] freemanua: вот например, если будет дубликат записи то код упадет на одном из коммитов
[16:53:05] fuzzy: freemanua: ну, наверно, если Duplicate entry, то надо исключение словить и вызвать rollback самому?
[16:53:40] freemanua: т.е. коммит вставлять после каждого пука? и ловить исключение?
[16:54:12] singularity: freemanua: блять, используй django и не ной
[16:54:32] singularity: все тебе не нравится
[16:54:33] freemanua: singularity: кэп
[16:54:33] fuzzy: http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/rel_0_9/orm/session.html#managing-transactions
[16:54:52] fuzzy: freemanua: комит вставлять туда, где ты хочешь, чтобы данные внеслись в базу атомарно
[16:54:52] freemanua: я пытаюсь разобраться, вот и спрашиваю
[16:55:02] fuzzy: и ловить исключения, да
[16:55:09] fuzzy: ловить исключения надо и в джанге
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[17:08:04] freemanua: а есть пример как в джанге это происходит
[17:08:07] freemanua: с?
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[17:16:01] fuzzy: что именно?
[17:16:08] fuzzy: как ловить исключения?
[17:20:38] freemanua: да
[17:20:45] freemanua: как писать в базу
[17:20:52] freemanua: когда связь многие ко многим
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[17:27:54] fuzzy: a1 = Author.object.get_or_create(name=form.cleaned_data['author'])
[17:28:07] fuzzy: b = Book(authors=[a1]); b.save()
[17:28:09] fuzzy: или как там
[17:28:18] fuzzy: сто лет не видел джангу
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[17:30:24] freemanua: fuzzy: понял
[17:30:37] freemanua: fuzzy: а с чем сейчас работаешь?
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[17:32:12] fuzzy: mysql кластеры, хайлоад, golang
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[17:39:06] freemanua: fuzzy: sql в чистом виде гоняешь?
[17:39:35] fuzzy: почти не гоняю
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[17:40:13] fuzzy: не DBA работа, потмоу редко пишу внутрь mysql. но если приходится - обычно что-то простое, потмоу да
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[20:23:47] CaufMAN: Народ, кто нибудь может помочь с поиском первого проекта на джанге? Основы вроде есть, хочется на практике что-то попробовать. занятость по 2-4 часа в день. Естественно бесплатно.
[20:24:23] fuzzy: напиши рсс ридер
[20:25:02] CaufMAN: fuzzy: ТЗ давай :) Какие функции, как представлять
[20:25:20] CaufMAN: fuzzy: я ими не пользовался, так что сам слабо представляю что это
[20:27:17] fuzzy: гугл ридер бы..
[20:27:24] fuzzy: а так, чтоб с тз…
[20:27:32] fuzzy: склонируй что-то готовое
[20:27:41] fuzzy: напиши имджборду
[20:27:47] CaufMAN: fuzzy: слышал он хорош был. Но не юзал - не могу даже представить как его делать
[20:28:00] CaufMAN: fuzzy: Это типа Ычана хрень такая?
[20:28:06] fuzzy: да
[20:28:15] CaufMAN: fuzzy: Ща полазию, посмотрю в чем там фишка
[20:28:23] CaufMAN: fuzzy: вроде вещь не сложная
[20:28:24] fuzzy: наверно. я не знаю, что такое Ычан
[20:28:45] CaufMAN: fuzzy: рассадник рачья :)
[20:28:49] fuzzy: сделай несложную вещь, а потом доведи производительность до 10к запросов в секунду
[20:29:10] CaufMAN: fuzzy: а где и как такие нагрузки проверять без посещаемости?
[20:29:44] fuzzy: ab
[20:29:48] fuzzy: !g apache ab
[20:30:03] fuzzy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/programs/ab.html
[20:30:09] fuzzy: почините бота :(
[20:30:34] CaufMAN: fuzzy: И да, не используй трехкратные знаки припенания! singularity от этого грустит
[20:31:03] fuzzy: это как трёхкратные? я где-то использовал?
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[20:31:20] CaufMAN: fuzzy: "[20:27] fuzzy: а так, чтоб с тз…"
[20:31:29] fuzzy: а..
[20:31:35] singularity: CaufMAN: и вот эту фигня меня тоже бесит "!"
[20:31:38] CaufMAN: там точки. Мне вчера мозг вынесли за "???"
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[20:32:07] CaufMAN: singularity: это какая?
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[20:32:14] CaufMAN: singularity: я не понял о чем ты
[20:32:58] singularity: CaufMAN: ну вот эта же "!". Ты что не понимаешь???!!!
[20:33:25] CaufMAN: singularity: Тебя бесит восклицательный знак? О_о
[20:33:54] CaufMAN: singularity: А какие знаи препинания тебя НЕ бесят?
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[20:37:59] CaufMAN: fuzzy: Ычан: http://iichan.hk/
[20:38:10] CaufMAN: fuzzy: оно? Про это говорил?
[20:38:17] fuzzy: я на работе. лучше не буду открывать
[20:38:22] fuzzy: но наверно да
[20:38:44] CaufMAN: fuzzy: :) Ясн. А ты чего так поздно? Или у тебя пояс часовой не мск?
[20:39:02] fuzzy: э.. канал-то pythonua. при чём тут мск?
[20:39:06] fuzzy: не мск
[20:39:20] CaufMAN: fuzzy: Действительно... Туплю :)
[20:39:34] CaufMAN: fuzzy: Да и по киеву уже как то поздновато
[20:39:47] fuzzy: ну да..
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