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[17:54:15] remo: а что есть типа gaven_zeroMQ, только чтобы поддерживало tls шифрование ?
[17:54:32] remo: *gevent_zeroMQ
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[18:44:50] remo: fuzzy: кстати, а какая лучшая тактика обновления на продакшене ?
[18:45:20] remo: fuzzy: допустим обновление версий пакетов допустимо прямо на продакшене без предварительного тестирования ?
[18:46:08] fuzzy: смотря какие пакеты
[18:46:16] fuzzy: но вообще нет
[18:46:29] fuzzy: ну хотя зависит от того, что за продакшн
[18:46:53] fuzzy: если можно его положить на несколько дней, и это будет дешевле, чем тестирование проводить, то можно
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[18:47:57] remo: fuzzy: ну а если по нормальному, то лучше выписать критичный функционал на листочек, развернуть тестовую версию и после апдейта тестовой версии чекать по листочку критический функционал
[18:47:59] remo: верно ?
[18:48:23] fuzzy: как это тестить по листочку?
[18:48:27] fuzzy: нужно автоматическое тестирование
[18:48:32] fuzzy: и постепенное обновление
[18:48:53] fuzzy: подразумевая, что у тебя серверов в избыточности, у тебя ведь важный продакшн
[18:49:10] remo: fuzzy: ну не весь функционал можно протестить в автоматическом режиме. Окей, всё что возможно - автоматически протестить, остальное по листочку
[18:49:16] fuzzy: у тебя N+2 сервера. Один обновляешь и смотришь
[18:49:42] fuzzy: какой яункционал по листочку можно, а автоматически нет?
[18:50:32] remo: fuzzy: в общем какая разница в автоматическом режиме или нет. Факт в том, что это типа совершенно другой вид подхода к обновлению ПО. В случае обновления на продакшене - мы получаем вечно неработающий функционал
[18:50:46] remo: а во втором случае - у нас конечно будут баги, только их характер поменяется
[18:50:50] remo: верно ?
[18:52:35] fuzzy: http://www.infoq.com/news/2013/03/canary-release-improve-quality
[18:53:46] fuzzy: если у тебя есть одна стабильно работающая версия, то вечно неработающего функционала не будет
[18:54:09] fuzzy: т.к. если ты выкатил canary на один из серверов, а оно не работает, то ты можешь а) не включать его в load-balancing или откатить
[18:56:05] remo: fuzzy: экзакли. Просто я заметил, что обновления летят прямо в продакшен. И отваливается функционал. Создал таску с текстом типа "так низяяя". Мне говорят: ты нам ебёшь мозг. Я говорю: создайте локально тестовую версию и после апдейта давайте хоть критичный функционал чекать
[18:56:49] fuzzy: "Мне говорят: ты нам ебёшь мозг."
[18:56:53] fuzzy: не исключено, что так и есть
[18:57:17] fuzzy: чтобы определить точнее, надо замерить, насколько всё плохо, когда всё отваливается
[18:57:35] fuzzy: если система, которая лежит два дня - дешевле, чем писать тесты, то таки да
[18:58:07] fuzzy: если ты можешь замерять, что за пол часа лежащей системы ты теряешь $XXXX, то это может быть более убедительным аргументом
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[19:07:42] remo: fuzzy: если нет желания\ нет рентабельности писать тесты, то надо определить критичный функционал. И на тестовой версии его вручную чекать
[19:08:39] fuzzy: это, должно быть, очень дешёвая рабочая сила, если вместо тестов проще руками проверять
[19:08:45] fuzzy: а ещё это плохо масштабируется
[19:12:50] remo: fuzzy: т.е всёравно приходим к утверждению, что на продакшене обычно ничего не обнавляется на живую. Чтобы попасть в продакшен код должен пройти стадию тестирования. Хотя бы критичного для проекта
[19:12:58] remo: *обновляется
[19:13:36] fuzzy: типа того
[19:13:44] fuzzy: наверно, должен быть какой-то puppet
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