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[11:01:52] noobik: вот хотел задать вопрос и сразу понял, что уже знаю ответ %)(
[11:02:09] noobik: _lorien: спасибо за граб (если это ,конечно же, тот лориен)
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[13:15:05] webninja: да, донат это круто )
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[13:27:34] singularity: cutwater: ты где находишся?
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[13:36:32] mishok13: на европитоне он
[13:38:05] slav0nic: mishok13, ты тоже?
[13:38:11] mishok13: ага
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[13:38:41] slav0nic: мажоры)
[13:39:06] slav0nic: о, трансляции похоже есть
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[13:40:33] mishok13: мне компания оплачивает
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[13:40:58] webninja: что за компания?
[13:41:29] slav0nic: не, у нас наоборот, сотрудники много чё оплачивают компании :P
[13:41:35] _lorien: https://github.com/django/django/blob/stable/1.4.x/django/contrib/admin/views/main.py#L224 собсно вот эта хрень
[13:41:44] _lorien: Finally, a deterministic order is guaranteed by ensuring the primary key is used as the last ordering field.
[13:41:58] _lorien: про которую я вчера грил, принудительно пихают сортировку по pk дополнительную
[13:42:03] webninja: ага
[13:42:04] slav0nic: пугейм надо глянуть ) что-то меня на 2д игры пропёрло
[13:42:24] webninja: а чо пугейм этот делает? спрайты? обработка столкновений?
[13:42:58] slav0nic: там много всего
[13:43:42] xa4a: столкновений - вряд ли
[13:43:55] xa4a: мне казалось, что он больше по рисованию/игранию музыки
[13:43:55] webninja: нука посмотрю ка
[13:43:59] webninja: !g pygame
[13:44:07] webninja: я тут скачал недавно книжку
[13:44:11] webninja: из йелля
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[13:44:24] webninja: музыкой немножко занимаюсь
[13:44:34] webninja: так вот там в книжке все примеры на хаскелле
[13:44:49] webninja: http://hackershelf.com/book/177/the-haskell-school-of-music/
[13:44:50] webninja: во
[13:44:55] xa4a: на хаскеле? @ почему не на Processing?
[13:45:00] webninja: что это?
[13:45:08] webninja: ну я слышал кстати плагины пишут для синтов
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[13:45:41] xa4a: нет, не processing
[13:45:50] slav0nic: http://www.galcon.com/iphone/ вот на пугейме из нормального
да, физики столкновений там нет, но вроде были мануалы по сабжу
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[13:46:01] xa4a: было какое-то окружение на хаскеле..
[13:46:10] webninja: «Ресинтез» (Re-synthesis), где записанные в память синтезатора реальные волновые формы анализируются при помощи искусственной нейронной сети и преобразуются в цифровые модели с выделением определенного пакета управляемых «характеристик». Каждый модуль подобного синтезатора называется «ресинатором» (resynator). Для управления звуком в реальном времени используется как прямое управление выделенными параметрами одного ресинатора, так и «связывание» между собой пары параметров разных ресинаторов (например, «дыхание» флейтоподобного тембра и вибрато тембра в духе скрипки). Таким образом создаются очень сложные и одновременно легко управляемые тембровые конфигурации. Единственный на сегодняшний день синтезатор подобного типа — Hartmann Neuron.
[13:46:12] xa4a: где можно было функции по полю раскидывать, а оно музыку в ответ играло
[13:46:13] webninja: во тут последние веяния моды
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[13:47:10] webninja: да играть это ладно, лучше синтезировать какие-нибудь адские текстуры алгоритмически.
[13:47:20] webninja: а поиграю я сам как нибудь.
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[13:48:02] webninja: есть системы которые позволяют реализовать логику из кирпичиков вплоть до логических элементов но это канешно не так удобно как программку написать.
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[13:49:31] xa4a: играло - в смысле соответственно тому, что ты накидал туда
[13:49:49] xa4a: там, кинул какой-то ВЧ генератор, а рядом фильтр какой-то
[13:49:51] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/224303/ написал лекарство :)
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[13:50:22] _lorien: правда теперь вообще не будет сортировку работать по pk колонке, ну и йух с ней
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[13:52:12] xa4a: _lorien: а не проще в базе индекс сделать, чтобы оно сортировало нормально?
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[13:52:54] _lorien: так это на каждую колонку делать (col, pk) индекс
[13:53:54] xa4a: на каждую?
[13:54:04] xa4a: только на те, по которым выбираешь
[13:54:22] xa4a: и, разве, не достаточно делать одноколончатых на колонки, по которым выбираешь и на pk?
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[13:54:54] _lorien: в explain не было видно, что индекс юзается
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[13:58:56] _lorien: эх, всё равно медленно работает
[13:59:03] _lorien: ну хотя бы не помирает :)
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[14:01:17] _lorien: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM "core_feed" - 4171,86
SELECT DISTINCT "core_feed"."ppc" FROM "core_feed" ORDER BY "core_feed"."ppc" ASC - 7980,86
4 и 7 сек
[14:01:38] _lorien: 8 лямов записей щас там
[14:02:23] slav0nic: таблица в кеш надеюсь влазит?) а то mysq времянки создаёт в противном случае
[14:02:26] _lorien: SELECT DISTINCT "core_feed"."ppc" FROM "core_feed" ORDER BY "core_feed"."ppc" ASC - это генерит фильтр по колонке ппц, думаю можно его переписать
[14:02:31] _lorien: там постгрес
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[14:02:51] _lorien: я для буферов отрядил 2гб и для других кэшей всяких тоже выделил
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[14:05:00] slav0nic: а данные активно меняются, может вакуум прогнать? индексы есть?
[14:05:06] _lorien: shared_buffers = 2GB
work_mem = 128MB
maintenance_work_mem = 128MB
fsync = off
wal_buffers = 16MB
effective_cache_size = 2GB
[14:05:13] _lorien: вот такой конфиг собсно, diff от дефолтного
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[14:05:27] _lorien: данные, ну как бы постоянно идут insert и select
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[14:06:37] _lorien: пока я это писал сюда уже 10000 feed-записей создало :)
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[14:07:12] _lorien: индексы, конечно есть на ppc колонку
[14:07:28] _lorien: в джанго 1.4 стало возможно писать свой код для фильтров
[14:07:40] _lorien: думаю там можно сделать, чтоб он не генерил запрос select distinct ppc
[14:07:44] slav0nic: тогда хз, план запроса пробуй раскурить и vacuum analyze на всякий
[14:07:47] _lorien: а с count(*) хз что делать
[14:08:00] slav0nic: каунт в постгресе медленный
[14:08:14] slav0nic: на вики была статья как быть)
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[15:05:46] singularity: Кто? Где ?
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[15:06:32] slav0nic: да уже всё, на https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/live/
[15:07:03] singularity: А ник какой?
[15:07:11] singularity: 13 ?
[15:07:12] slav0nic: та ёпт mishok13
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[15:10:47] singularity: А на ютуб кинут повтор?
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[15:11:52] slav0nic: та должны
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[15:12:04] slav0nic: это ж не UA Pycon :P
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[15:16:04] mishok13: бля шо
[15:16:25] singularity: Когда он кстати? Вроде скоро
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[15:17:08] slav0nic: mishok13, ничё, годно) правда у меня инет гавно, эпизодически смотрел)
[15:17:51] slav0nic: сорцы мог бы и раскрасить В)
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[15:18:58] mishok13: я не люблю раскрашеные сорцы, они с задних рядов как говно обычно выглядят
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[15:41:12] _lorien: http://httpbots.com/en/blog/django-admin-tables-large-postgre-sql-tables/
хак для slow count(*)
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[15:42:57] _lorien: ух, сделал три хака и всё летает :)
[15:43:06] _lorien: с 10-15сек разогнал до 50мс ))
[15:43:26] slav0nic: ну дык оно ж вытягивает из pg_class цифирь
[15:43:39] slav0nic: для актуализации наверно надо будет vacuum analyse делать
[15:44:18] _lorien: пришлось:
1) отломать дополнительную сортировку для pk колонки
2) переписать пару фильтров для которых я и так знаю список значений (не нужен sql запрос)
3) хакнуть count(*)
[15:44:26] slav0nic: reltuples float4 Number of rows in the table. This is only an estimate used by the planner. It is updated by VACUUM, ANALYZE, and a few DDL commands such as CREATE INDEX.
[15:44:35] _lorien: ну да, я понимаю
[15:44:45] _lorien: щас почитаю, как часто аналайз запускается
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[15:46:36] slav0nic: autovacuum_naptime смотри
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[15:47:00] slav0nic: The delay is measured in seconds, and the default is 60
по идее это
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[15:47:38] _lorien: #autovacuum_naptime = 1min # time between autovacuum runs
[15:47:40] _lorien: да
[15:47:42] _lorien: фигасе
[15:47:58] _lorien: наверное надо поменьше сделать
[15:48:02] xa4a: чоо
[15:48:13] xa4a: сышыш, тебе зачем вообще считать строки, а7
[15:48:37] _lorien: в джанго админке пагинация, она строки считает
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[15:48:55] xa4a: ну так пусть раз в день пересчитывает вакуумом
[15:49:07] xa4a: чем 1min много?
[15:49:18] xa4a: а) вакуум тоже не быстро
[15:49:28] slav0nic: чем меньше цифирь - тем больше ресурсов будет тратится на вакум)
[15:49:39] _lorien: xa4a, выше 1 мин это периодичность запуска
[15:49:45] _lorien: т.е. не раз в день, а каждую минуту запускается
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[15:50:21] xa4a: но зачем каждую минуту?
[15:50:28] xa4a: это ж только зря электричество жечь
[15:50:44] xa4a: у тебя за день ведь не меняется больше, чем на пару процентов количество?
[15:50:58] _lorien: xa4a, я тоже считаю, что раз в минуту много :)
[15:51:03] xa4a: а пагинацию до 3500-й страницы никто докручивать не будет всё-равно
[15:51:07] _lorien: вернее подозреваю, щас почитаю вики
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[15:51:32] _lorien: постгрес так по дефолту в дебиане настроен
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[15:52:51] cutwater: Еще раз ку
[15:53:05] cutwater: mishok13 уже провел доклад. Было весьма познавательно.
[15:53:08] _lorien: The autovacuum process takes care of several maintenance chores inside your database that you really need. Generally, if you think you need to turn regular vacuuming off because it's taking too much time or resources, that means you're doing it wrong. The answer to almost all vacuuming problems is to vacuum more often, not less, so that each individual vacuum operation has less to clean up.
[15:54:09] xa4a: но у тебя vacuuming problems нет
[15:54:25] xa4a: проблема будет, если приблизительное количество строк будет существенно отличаться от фактического
[15:54:39] xa4a: у тебя строки пачками в базу вставляются?
[15:54:45] xa4a: или постоянно?
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[15:56:01] _lorien: постоянно, это не очень важно, в конец смотреть никто небудет, ты правильно говоришь
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[15:56:12] _lorien: я просто читаю, что такое ваще вакуум инах он нужен :)
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[15:56:20] slav0nic: _lorien, дорвеи?)
[15:56:21] _lorien: Seemingly paradoxically, the more often you run VACUUM , the faster it tends to run, and the more likely it is that it will do some good.
[15:56:24] _lorien: ещё чо пишут
[15:56:30] _lorien: не, не доры
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[15:58:00] _lorien: вот бы поглядеть где-нить сколько этот вакууум работает по времени
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[15:58:23] _lorien: наверное просто команду VACUUM запустить?
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[15:58:49] slav0nic: VACUUM FULL долго
[15:59:07] slav0nic: ну оно клево помогает если много "дырок" в индексах при удалении
[15:59:12] _lorien: в доке пишут не запускать эту хрень )
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[15:59:17] slav0nic: )
[15:59:44] _lorien: Don't run VACUUM FULL too often.
While it is the only way of actually reclaiming disk space back to the operating system, and sometimes needs to be done if a table or index has gotten exceedingly fragmented across pages, it has three demerits:
Running VACUUM FULL is expensive, as it has to read through all the pages of the table;
It effectively puts a table lock on the table for the duration of the operation, blocking other use of the table.
If you are likely to insert new data into the table that will fill the empty space back in, the work will have been all for nothing.
If you are running VACUUM FULL a lot, then there is probably a problem with the way you are using the database.
[16:00:05] _lorien: а, типа она удаляет физически удалённые данные?
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[16:00:17] xa4a: йес
[16:00:43] slav0nic: ну аналаз ничё не лочит
[16:01:07] xa4a: _lorien: часто удаляешь из таблицы?
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[16:01:30] _lorien: ваще не удаляю ))
[16:01:45] _lorien: запустил vacuum verbose; он завис на feed таблице
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[16:01:57] _lorien: интересно, он понимает, что если прошлый вакуум работает, то новый не надо запускать? )
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[16:03:20] _lorien: Plain VACUUM (without FULL) simply reclaims space and makes it available for re-use. This form of the command can operate in parallel with normal reading and writing of the table, as an exclusive lock is not obtained. VACUUM FULL does more extensive processing, including moving of tuples across blocks to try to compact the table to the minimum number of disk blocks. This form is much slower and requires an exclusive lock on each table while it is being processed.
[16:04:21] _lorien: INFO: "core_feed": found 0 removable, 8421169 nonremovable row versions in 999476 out of 999476 pages
DETAIL: 0 dead row versions cannot be removed yet.
There were 0 unused item pointers.
0 pages are entirely empty.
CPU 7.53s/4.98u sec elapsed 160.04 sec
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[16:07:22] slav0nic: _lorien, кстати тикета нет в траке джанги?
[16:07:48] _lorien: есть какой-то мутный
[16:07:55] singularity: http://logs.python.su/2012/07/03.html посмотрите на низ
[16:08:02] _lorien: https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/8408
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[16:09:31] slav0nic: singularity, и?
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[16:10:35] xa4a: 4 года тикету всего. сырой ещё
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[16:10:43] singularity: У меня только чтоле ?
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[16:12:24] slav0nic: xa4a, да, за это я тоже джангу люблю)
[16:12:44] slav0nic: помню на такие тикеты натыкался а потом мудаки с коре тим закрывали как wontfix :|
[16:13:08] slav0nic: закрыли тикет с длиной пермишшенов, а сейчас обсуждают в рассылке по 2му кругу...
[16:13:16] slav0nic: как сами не наткнутся так хер зафиксят
[16:13:25] singularity: http://tau.rghost.ru/download/39005852/a1cf248beaeb371673dbb1dd6d67c93b3b4c5773/Снимок.PNG
[16:13:33] slav0nic: ну и по видимому 90% из них юзает mysql
[16:14:10] slav0nic: singularity, хз там utf-8
[16:14:19] xa4a: singularity: у тебя RTL текст
[16:14:37] xa4a: справа-налево
[16:14:41] slav0nic: иврей
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[16:17:53] singularity: ‏А у вас нормально?http://rghost.ru/39005930.view
[16:18:36] slav0nic: у меня в фф нормально
[16:19:12] singularity: Меня что-то часто опера подводит :(
[16:19:39] blw0rm: в хроме тоже нормально
[16:20:01] slav0nic: да фф тоже позатрахал кушать озу) у меня дома на ноуте при старте аж 130 озу юзает система, а фф потом по 600мб с ниуя выедает, про хром ваще молчу)
[16:20:02] blw0rm: а опера не с Израиля?))
[16:20:06] slav0nic: хз что они там оптимизировали
[16:20:07] xa4a: singularity: зачем тогда используешь оперу?
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[16:20:21] xa4a: slav0nic: а что с хромом?
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[16:20:47] slav0nic: при 1.5-2 Гб озу как-то не вписывался
[16:20:50] _lorien: > I have a system with around 330 databases running PostgreSQL 8.4.2
> What would the expected behavior be with AutoVacuum_NapTime set to the
> default of 1m and autovacuum_workers set to 3?

autovacuum_naptime is the cycle time for any one database, so you'd
get an autovac worker launched every 60/330 seconds ...
[16:20:51] singularity: Опера 3 вкладки 179 мб ОЗУ
[16:20:53] _lorien: шо ето он тут написал такое?
[16:20:56] mrDoctorWho.: http://logs.python.su/2003/01/01.html эта конференция была в 2033 году?
[16:21:00] mrDoctorWho.: 2003*
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[16:21:13] _lorien: в принципе понятно
[16:21:22] singularity: Время взбоит?
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[16:21:28] slav0nic: mrDoctorWho., на сервере была дата такая видать)
[16:21:37] singularity: ውጥፍ?
[16:21:39] mrDoctorWho.: понятно)
[16:21:50] xa4a: _lorien: значит, что в каждой схеме свои воркеры
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[16:24:11] singularity: у меня есть транслитерациуа на русскиь )
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[16:30:20] webninja: Cc: toke, ludo, marcoberi@…, djfische@…, boxm@…, kmike84@…, slav0nic0@…
[16:30:22] webninja: бугага
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[16:32:06] singularity: Откуда это7
[16:33:29] slav0nic: да на тикет подписался
[16:34:07] webninja: да там жесть какая-то
[16:34:09] singularity: очень смишно
[16:34:30] webninja: коре девы кричат "хз чо там такое, не знаем не сталкивались"
[16:34:39] webninja: ну так ты почитай тикет может станет посмешнее
[16:35:13] slav0nic: 56 тикет тож норм 7 лет
[16:35:27] webninja: жесть я и не думал что такая бюрократия ) толи дело бро lorine. попросишь сделать чонить в грабе, а он говорит уже давно реализовано )
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[16:35:49] _lorien: это отнастроения зависит
[16:35:50] slav0nic: нуу лора иногда накрывает не по детски ))
[16:35:58] slav0nic: даа "настроения"))
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[16:40:20] slav0nic: пайкон продолжается
[16:41:08] slav0nic: _lorien, PostgreSQL for Python Developers вон идёт)
[16:41:21] _lorien: ща включу
[16:41:30] _lorien: кинь ссылку ещё раз плиз
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[16:41:47] slav0nic: https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/live/
снизу
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[16:42:15] slav0nic: странно, пайкон а смотрит 2 человека онлайн %)
[16:42:40] _lorien: блин, запустил 30 селениумов и на сервере уже своп чутка задело
[16:42:44] _lorien: 24гб рам
[16:43:05] webninja: ого
[16:43:10] webninja: через vfb?
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[16:43:46] _lorien: в xvfb да
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[16:44:17] _lorien: ну у меня ещё под tmpfs отведено 2гига, постгрес жрёт ещё
[16:45:06] _lorien: интересно, в 32бит ос он бы меньше жрал?
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[16:46:46] slav0nic: 24гб и 32бит ос не клеится)
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[16:47:01] mrDoctorWho.: pae?
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[16:47:12] _lorien: да, есть же там pae всякие
[16:47:18] mrDoctorWho.: там до 64гб кажись
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[16:49:11] slav0nic: сильно не интересовался, но 64 обычно быстрее всяких pae
[16:49:24] slav0nic: на phoronix чёт было на тему
[16:50:48] mishok13: ну вот Антонио Куни раскрасил код и блядь нихера не видно
[16:51:15] slav0nic: mishok13, смари на ютубе)
[16:51:29] mishok13: бгг
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[16:51:55] slav0nic: ох, да он с фоном по-моему тупанул
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[16:52:14] slav0nic: на ютубе тоже не очень В)
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[16:57:12] mishok13: цвета безумные
[16:57:43] webninja: специально наверное )
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[17:00:31] xa4a: _lorien: так вынеси постгрес на отдельный сервер
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[17:01:15] _lorien: ага, попозже так и будет
[17:01:20] singularity: Как адекватно замерить чужое приложения?
[17:01:34] _lorien: что именно замерить?
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[17:01:41] singularity: ОЗУ , время роботы и т.д.
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[17:01:59] _lorien: $ time alien_app.py
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[17:02:10] _lorien: озу через top глянь :)
[17:02:28] _lorien: ps axo rss,cmd | grep alien_app.py
[17:02:41] singularity: не ну это на глаз будет
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[17:03:53] _lorien: а чем плохо на глаз, зачем тебе точность до байта?
[17:04:05] _lorien: кроме того time это не на глаз, это с точносью до десятков секунд :)
[17:04:15] mishok13: если до байта, то
[17:04:19] mishok13: cProfile
[17:04:30] mishok13: ну и всякие Heapy, Pympler и прочие
[17:04:36] _lorien: с профайлером есть удобный рецепт, ща найду
[17:05:08] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/224402/
[17:05:30] mishok13: отличный рецепт :)
[17:05:35] _lorien: запускаешь ./profile.sh myapp.py и потом открывается графический интерфейс к результатмп рофайлинга, там всё отлично видно, я так граб профилирую
[17:05:56] webninja: ух
[17:06:13] webninja: граб иногда памяти выносит нехило, если через обработчики данные пробрасывать
[17:06:32] _lorien: heapy это чё-то мозгодробительное, пару раз пытался его освоить через 30 минут после использования всё забываю ))
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[17:07:05] _lorien: кстати, эти тулзы, например pympler как-то глючно память замеряют, когда используется c-модули
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[17:07:31] _lorien: https://bitbucket.org/lorien/grab/src/953299d16194/grab/tools/memory.py вот так можно нехитро память измерить в любой точке программы
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[17:09:12] mishok13: хипи это пиздец, если честно, особенно в плане документации
[17:09:21] webninja: прикольно
[17:10:14] _lorien: да, там автор замутил какой-то адский самодокументирующийся код ))
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[17:12:51] _lorien: [08:03:24 PM] webninja: граб иногда памяти выносит нехило, если через обработчики данные пробрасывать
да. тут один чел даже отчаялся, стал каждый обработчик запускать в отдельном процессе, чтобы память чистилась ))
[17:12:52] singularity: А какая разница profile и cProfile ?
[17:13:00] _lorien: там lxml жутко память жрт
[17:13:10] _lorien: ну и возможно сам граб чуток тоже
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[17:15:09] webninja: проблема возникает когда перекидывать начинаешь структуры данных между обработчиками
[17:16:10] webninja: но вообще если приоритеты раздавать думаю можно избавится от такого. ну обычно там например когда спускаешься по разделам категориям, ставить конечным итемам максимальный приоритет.
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[17:22:58] _lorien: если в этих структурах ещё есть отсылка к lxml-нодам, то наверное ахтунг
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[17:25:20] mrDoctorWho.: а нельзя как-нибудь сделать чтобы на форуме на заменялся символ " на “? А то копировать код неудобно
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[17:30:08] slav0nic: mrDoctorWho., наверно это всё postmarkup чудит
[17:31:44] slav0nic: mrDoctorWho., проверь на http://postmarkup.willmcgugan.com/, если там всё ок то буду смотреть
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[17:32:37] mrDoctorWho.: не ок
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[17:34:54] nmk: а кто-нибудь requests пользуется? ее есть чем mockать?
[17:36:11] slav0nic: mrDoctorWho., https://code.google.com/p/postmarkup/source/browse/trunk/postmarkup/parser.py#679
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[17:37:23] num: всем привет, скажите пожалуйста, кто то работал в postgre напитоне?
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[17:37:43] xa4a: num все работали
[17:38:39] _lorien: :)
[17:39:29] num: у меня какой вопрос, с сегодняшнего дня начал стажировку под постгри на питоне, пришел домой установил постгри 9.1, и не могу теперь создать ф-цию на питоне, т.к. в языках его нету... как подключить скажите пожалуйста
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[17:40:13] _lorien: https://www.google.ru/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+to+enable+python+for+postgres+stored+procedures пробовал в гугле искать?
[17:40:33] mishok13: createlang plpythonu dbname
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[17:41:32] num: угу, спс, искал но не под таким запросом :)
[17:41:34] num: спс
[17:41:35] _lorien: To install PL/Python in a particular database, use ... - в первом сниппете чуток не хватило ))
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[17:55:24] aries.ua: Народ, случаем никто плагины не писал для CKEditor ?
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[20:57:43] slav0nic: никто не помнит, была где-то картинка, объясняющая как питон работает с памятью через указатели, никто не помнит?
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[21:02:09] xa4a: вчера singularity какой-то визуализатор питона показывал
[21:02:35] xa4a: или не вчера
[21:02:55] alexey-grom: или не singularity, или не показывал
[21:02:56] slav0nic: да помню когда только учил питон была табличка аля a = 1 и показывается ссылка на память, потом a = b и что меняется и так далее, чёт не найду чуваку скинуть =\
[21:03:04] slav0nic: визуализатор то рано)
[21:03:15] xa4a: http://people.csail.mit.edu/pgbovine/python/tutor.html#mode=edit
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[21:04:32] xa4a: не это?
[21:04:50] slav0nic: не
[21:04:59] slav0nic: я не так недавно стал учить питон ;))
[21:05:14] slav0nic: толи в книге каокй-то было
[21:06:40] slav0nic: http://pkolt.ru/media/uploads/pid/142/01.jpg
аля такое, только более концептуальное
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[21:27:04] xa4a: slav0nic: только такое: http://iproc.ru/2009/08/python-girls-oop/
[21:27:43] slav0nic: лан, снкс, было с картынками) ншёл кучу всего, но не то что читал)
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[21:39:42] singularity: slav0nic: круть !
[21:40:00] singularity: Я понял почему бывают утечки памяти ))
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[21:50:30] andreyjkee: >>> g.соси
сосу
[21:50:33] andreyjkee: :D
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[21:53:21] andreyjkee: полиморфизм не очень понятно описан мне кажется
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[23:31:37] webninja: блин отакуют парсерами, а чото ваще не рабочее нестроение уже неделю как.
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